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21 hours ago, Oblong said:

I could see a state SC striking it down by putting too much power in the legislature by making the districts.  

Could it also be struck down because the more-or-less stated goal is to maintain the minority-rule power of one particular political party? I wonder whether it's within the purview of states SCs to rule as such. Just because something seems it could technically be legal shouldn't mean all appeal to fairness, morals or ethics must be set aside, allowing a ruling only on the technicals.

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1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Could it also be struck down because the more-or-less stated goal is to maintain the minority-rule power of one particular political party? I wonder whether it's within the purview of states SCs to rule as such. Just because something seems it could technically be legal shouldn't mean all appeal to fairness, morals or ethics must be set aside, allowing a ruling only on the technicals.

What was proposed, as I understand it, was an amendment to the state constitution.  I'm not sure about PA, but in Texas that would require 2/3 of the State House and Senate then a vote by the citizens.  Would the SCOTUS overrule all this, presuming it was done properly and legally?

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I wasn’t envisioning the US SC having any role in it. To me it’s a state issue. If that’s what they want to do then so be it.  

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1 hour ago, Oblong said:

I wasn’t envisioning the US SC having any role in it. To me it’s a state issue. If that’s what they want to do then so be it.  

That is how I see it.  

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On 12/27/2020 at 10:07 AM, Melody said:

Looking as though it might have been.  The person of interest whose RV exploded had been giving away property and such over the preceding month.

good thing no-one was killed or this miss would look a lot worse today:

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NASHVILLE — A girlfriend of the man who the authorities say set off a bomb in downtown Nashville on Christmas had called police officers to his home last year, claiming that he had been making bombs in the R.V. parked there, according to a police incident report.

A lawyer for the girlfriend, according to the document filed with the Metro Nashville Police Department, told police officers that her boyfriend, Anthony Warner, “frequently talks about the military and bomb making.” The call to the police was reported on Tuesday by The Tennessean and WTVF-TV, a Nashville station.

The girlfriend met with the officers at her home on Aug. 21, 2019, according to the report and a later statement from the police. Officers then went to Mr. Warner’s home, a two-bedroom duplex in the Antioch area of Nashville.

The officers knocked on the door but “did not receive an answer,” according to the report, which was obtained by The New York Times. The R.V., which has been identified by state and federal officials as the one that exploded in downtown Nashville, injuring three and disrupting telecommunications in the region, was parked behind a fence. Officers wrote that they observed “several security cameras and wires attached to an alarm sign on the front door.”

The report, dated Aug. 21, noted that the officers who responded to the call had notified their superiors within the Police Department. Efforts on Tuesday night to reach the lawyer who represented the girlfriend were unsuccessful.
A spokesman for the Police Department, Don Aaron, said in a statement that the police “saw no evidence of a crime and had no authority to enter his home or fenced property.

Maybe you can call this the flip side of "white male privilege"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/29/us/nashville-bomber-anthony-warner.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

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44 minutes ago, CMRivdog said:

If we mere mortals tried this we’d be charged with a felony

 

TBH it’s a bit of a gray area. I’d be in favor of building a dormitory of sorts for Congress critters to stay while they are doing their jobs in DC. They still need to keep their primary residence in their home districts.

 

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1 hour ago, CMRivdog said:

TBH it’s a bit of a gray area. I’d be in favor of building a dormitory of sorts for Congress critters to stay while they are doing their jobs in DC. They still need to keep their primary residence in their home districts.

 

Not a gray area.  He lied and used the wrong address to vote.   Voter Fraud.  Lock him up.  

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I just want Mitch McConnell to suffer.  He's just a vile human being.    $2,000 is not enough for people

 

Oh, and by the way, I myself don't get any stimulus checks, and I don't deserve to get one because I have not lost any work at all.   But 2K is not enough.    

 

Ironic that Kentucky is the 2nd biggest taker state in the country and their Senator is doing this to the rest of us. 

I just want him to suffer.  

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Maybe they should deny the owners and plant managers vaccine as well

 

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I see that the officer who shot Jacob Blake in the back 7 times and was recorded on camera shooting him 7 times will not be prosecuted. Is there any justice?

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One of the final chapters on the Vietnam War closed today with the death of Neil Sheehan, the NYT reporter to whom Daniel Ellsberg "gave" the Pentagon Papers. But in a story that Sheehan only 1st told in 2015 and refused to allow to be published until his death, it turns out that he had actually stolen them from Ellsberg long before Ellsberg ever thought he had given Sheehan access to the full set of documents. (Ellsberg of course, who had helped write them,  had 'stolen' them from the gov in the 1st place). Sheehan felt Ellsberg was too unreliable for him to get the papers published under the terms of control Ellsberg was offering so he managed to steal the whole set  of the documents (i.e. make clandestine copies of 7000 pages!) from Ellsberg. Sheehan and the Times worked on their own set independently all the while Ellsberg thought he was in control of what Sheehan was getting. Sheehan never told the story because he wanted to maintain support for Ellsberg -- not make him look bad, foolish, etc. The complete NYT story is linked below.

One bit of background - the 'Papers' ran to 7000 pages. This was 1971 and Xerography was fairly new technology and most copy machines available then were pretty poor. I had worked in a couple of offices by then and certainly none of them had a copy machine with anything like a document feeder  so it wasn't like you could just walk into any old office and easily do that kind of volume of copying, let alone in secret.OTOH, the cost at a commercial shop might have been as high as $0.25/page and you had to hope they didn't look at what you had asked them to copy!

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/pentagon-papers-neil-sheehan.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article

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3 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

Here's what would happen if you were to allow socialism in America. 

 

Sounds good to me. I'm ready for 6 seasons of this. 

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6 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

 

One bit of background - the 'Papers' ran to 7000 pages. This was 1971 and Xerography was fairly new technology and most copy machines available then were pretty poor. I had worked in a couple of offices by then and certainly none of them had a copy machine with anything like a document feeder  so it wasn't like you could just walk into any old office and easily do that kind of volume of copying, let alone in secret.OTOH, the cost at a commercial shop might have been as high as $0.25/page and you had to hope they didn't look at what you had asked them to copy!

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/pentagon-papers-neil-sheehan.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article

A lot of offices were using that old two sheet copying format. I remember burning images onto a flimsy pink film like paper then onto special copying paper. I was attempting to do a morning “newsletter” for a radio station in 1976/1977. This would go out to local breakfast places to put on tables. We were still using mimeographed. A real pain if you were not a good typist.

 

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10 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

Here's what would happen if you were to allow socialism in America. 

 

That's how I've always tried to solve my problems.

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I realize he is one of the current flavors of the month. I would love to see him in the Senate going face to face with the likes of Cruz and Hawley.

 

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7 hours ago, Yoda said:

Sounds good to me. I'm ready for 6 seasons of this. 

I'll pass, but it would at least be better than watching the president creating problems with his tiny dick.  

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9 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

One of the final chapters on the Vietnam War closed today with the death of Neil Sheehan, the NYT reporter to whom Daniel Ellsberg "gave" the Pentagon Papers. But in a story that Sheehan only 1st told in 2015 and refused to allow to be published until his death, it turns out that he had actually stolen them from Ellsberg long before Ellsberg ever thought he had given Sheehan access to the full set of documents. (Ellsberg of course, who had helped write them,  had 'stolen' them from the gov in the 1st place). Sheehan felt Ellsberg was too unreliable for him to get the papers published under the terms of control Ellsberg was offering so he managed to steal the whole set  of the documents (i.e. make clandestine copies of 7000 pages!) from Ellsberg. Sheehan and the Times worked on their own set independently all the while Ellsberg thought he was in control of what Sheehan was getting. Sheehan never told the story because he wanted to maintain support for Ellsberg -- not make him look bad, foolish, etc. The complete NYT story is linked below.

One bit of background - the 'Papers' ran to 7000 pages. This was 1971 and Xerography was fairly new technology and most copy machines available then were pretty poor. I had worked in a couple of offices by then and certainly none of them had a copy machine with anything like a document feeder  so it wasn't like you could just walk into any old office and easily do that kind of volume of copying, let alone in secret.OTOH, the cost at a commercial shop might have been as high as $0.25/page and you had to hope they didn't look at what you had asked them to copy!

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/pentagon-papers-neil-sheehan.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article

This led to watergate.... Nixon was worried that it would come out that he made his deal, while still a candidate, to stall the peace talks in 1968, so that the late news would throw the election to Humphrey.  The work in trying to stop this is what led to the establishment of the "Plumbers" who would also be used to break in the DNC.

 

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On 1/5/2021 at 2:25 PM, CMRivdog said:

Maybe they should deny the owners and plant managers vaccine as well

 

They won't, because owners and plant managers are not considered fungible commodities.

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1 hour ago, tiger337 said:

I'll pass, but it would at least be better than watching the president creating problems with his tiny dick.  

Well, that was low hanging ... uh ... fruit.

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23 minutes ago, Oblong said:

This led to watergate.... Nixon was worried that it would come out that he made his deal, while still a candidate, to stall the peace talks in 1968, so that the late news would throw the election to Humphrey.  The work in trying to stop this is what led to the establishment of the "Plumbers" who would also be used to break in the DNC.

 

right. IIRC the  'plumbers' 1st job was breaking into Ellsberg's shrink's office to root around for something they might be able to use to discredit or blackmail Ellsberg.

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52 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

right. IIRC the  'plumbers' 1st job was breaking into Ellsberg's shrink's office to root around for something they might be able to use to discredit or blackmail Ellsberg.

Yes, and there was joint work with Johnson to try and get him to denounce the leak.  On the surface Nixon didn't care because the papers were all about LBJ's time in office.  But knowing about the deal he used johnson as cover to fight it.   Haldeman routinely disregarded Nixon's orders and he did so with Nixon's initial demand to go in there... in one of the tapes he mentions as an afterhought something like "And what about that other thing?  Godmannit, I told you to go in there and get it....."  Haldeman was hoping he'd forget about it. 

 

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