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13 hours ago, Buddha said:

why did they try to kidnap whitmer?  as some white supremacist plot?

sounds like a bunch of yokels from the thumb.

My memory of McVeigh was that he was motivated by leaderless resistance and was under the influence of a lot of amphetamines.  He was absorbing all the dogmas espoused by the far right at the time from whatever channels they were distributing them in. 

The Wolverine Watchmen would definitely fall into the boogaloo culture trying to bait a future Civil War along racial grounds.

One caution about the motivation of a group of dudebros like this.  The FBI may well have been using a CI who was actually driving the train.  I hope not, but there have been more than one instance of the CI - paid by FBI - or using his service to get out of a jail stretch - may have been the genius who created the case for the FBI by steering these hate filled idiots into the specific conspiracy to commit this unconstitutional act.

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Just now, ROMAD1 said:

My memory of McVeigh was that he was motivated by leaderless resistance and was under the influence of a lot of amphetamines.  He was absorbing all the dogmas espoused by the far right at the time from whatever channels they were distributing them in. 

The Wolverine Watchmen would definitely fall into the boogaloo culture trying to bait a future Civil War along racial grounds.

One caution about the motivation of a group of dudebros like this.  The FBI may well have been using a CI who was actually driving the train.  I hope not, but there have been more than one instance of the CI - paid by FBI - or using his service to get out of a jail stretch - may have been the genius who created the case for the FBI by steering these hate filled idiots into the specific conspiracy to commit this unconstitutional act.

Why isn't this in the Presidency of Donald Trump thread.  He's the cause of all this.

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1 hour ago, Melody said:

Someone on my follow list liked a response to this tweet which is how I saw it.  (I don’t follow Goldberg.). But the thread had me laughing this morning.  

Mine would probably be something in praise of snowy winter weather.  Or Hillary Clinton.

People like it when you’re topical.

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Just now, chasfh said:

People like it when you’re topical.

Both Goldberg and many or most of the responses are political. People also like it when responders have read the material being responded to.

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With all the anti-Hillary rhetoric the right is throwing out there, I have no idea how she will win the election.

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13 minutes ago, chasfh said:

With all the anti-Hillary rhetoric the right is throwing out there, I have no idea how she will win the election.

See now, if you tweeted out, “Trump2020” or, “Kellyanne Conway is a hottie,” we would know to call 911 for a welfare check.  

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2 hours ago, ROMAD1 said:

My memory of McVeigh was that he was motivated by leaderless resistance and was under the influence of a lot of amphetamines.  He was absorbing all the dogmas espoused by the far right at the time from whatever channels they were distributing them in. 

The Wolverine Watchmen would definitely fall into the boogaloo culture trying to bait a future Civil War along racial grounds.

One caution about the motivation of a group of dudebros like this.  The FBI may well have been using a CI who was actually driving the train.  I hope not, but there have been more than one instance of the CI - paid by FBI - or using his service to get out of a jail stretch - may have been the genius who created the case for the FBI by steering these hate filled idiots into the specific conspiracy to commit this unconstitutional act.

if history is any guide, the fbi is DEFINITELY involved in creating the case and steering it in the direction it needed to go for them to be arrested.

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I suppose it gets to be a pretty fine line between fishing and fish farming, between playing to people's existing proclivities and outright entrapment. On the the other hand, you have to be realistic about the need to make sure you find these people before they find us. 

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2 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

I suppose it gets to be a pretty fine line between fishing and fish farming, between playing to people's existing proclivities and outright entrapment. On the the other hand, you have to be realistic about the need to make sure you find these people before they find us. 

Of course, anyone who actually demonstrates in the state capital with weapons is already pretty far down the road

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Like any of those guys would last a day in basic training in a real militia (National Guard)

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Seeing stories on how their “rural poverty” conditions led to their beliefs. Maybe if they spent less money on expensive pickup trucks, ammunition and weapons.....

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36 minutes ago, CMRivdog said:

Like any of those guys would last a day in basic training in a real militia (National Guard)

I think at least one of them served in the USMC.   Per the Washingon Post.

Edit.  More info.  Two were marines and at least one of them still a reservist.  https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/11/us/gretchen-whitmer-kidnapping-plot-arrests/index.html

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35 minutes ago, CMRivdog said:

Seeing stories on how their “rural poverty” conditions led to their beliefs. Maybe if they spent less money on expensive pickup trucks, ammunition and weapons.....

I would agree with you except that I doubt rural poverty had anything to do with it.

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6 minutes ago, Melody said:

I would agree with you except that I doubt rural poverty had anything to do with it.

I agree

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1 hour ago, CMRivdog said:

Seeing stories on how their “rural poverty” conditions led to their beliefs. Maybe if they spent less money on expensive pickup trucks, ammunition and weapons.....

Its a bull**** excuse.   Hitler was excusable because of the grievances German veterans had after they lost WWI?

 

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Who is making this rural poverty excuse?  I haven't heard it but for the most part am sticking to strictly news (i.e. no opinion pieces) at present.   And consuming as little cable news as possible.

 

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This showed up on my twitter feed yesterday. Still some discussions surrounding the hypothesis.....

I got it as a retweet from someone. It seems it has been shot down. But that ring leader sounds like a real loser if you read today’s FREEP profile

 

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12 minutes ago, CMRivdog said:

This showed up on my twitter feed yesterday. Still some discussions surrounding the hypothesis.....

I got it as a retweet from someone. It seems it has been shot down. But that ring leader sounds like a real loser if you read today’s FREEP profile

 

I blame the lack of a superbowl championship for Detroit. 

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4 hours ago, CMRivdog said:

This showed up on my twitter feed yesterday. Still some discussions surrounding the hypothesis.....

I got it as a retweet from someone. It seems it has been shot down. But that ring leader sounds like a real loser if you read today’s FREEP profile

 

this is better

 

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32 minutes ago, pfife said:

this is better

 

Those twats are just attracted to the party of asshats

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I was quite surprised to see one person in the Mi SOS office on Tuesday that was not wearing one. The set-up at SOS is that you supposed to be masked and  you don't even go to the door until your appointment time and a 'greeter' lets you in and verifies your spot in the queue. (not sure what the point of being to strict on the appt times was when they still had maybe 15 people queued inside anyway!). A guy hopped out of the passenger seat of a 3/4 ton diesel pick-up and the greeter let him queue up maskless.  He was the only one without on in the building including patrons or staff. She was getting as many looks from the rest of the patrons as he was but I would guess that nobody got too hot about it as the spacing in the building was set-up pretty generously - no-one had to get near him.

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plenty of poor people in rural america dont succumb to the urge to kidnap the governor.

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20 hours ago, ROMAD1 said:

Of course, anyone who actually demonstrates in the state capital with weapons is already pretty far down the road

That said, still a huge jump from doing something that is legal and plotting to kidnap/kill the governor and kill police.

7 minutes ago, Buddha said:

plenty of poor people in rural america dont succumb to the urge to kidnap the governor.

Absolutely true.  As a former 'rural' person, I do feel they have gotten left behind though.  The attention on poor gets focused on inner cities.  Maybe i'm wrong, but I see sympathy for the urban poor from the left, but not the rural poor.  Not that the left criticizes them like many on the right criticize the urban poor, but simply a lack of addressing.  In the few times it is addressed, I often see the same arguments the right purports on the urban poor (they are uneducated, are manipulated by the party they vote for, vote against their interests) purported on the rural poor.

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16 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

That said, still a huge jump from doing something that is legal and plotting to kidnap/kill the governor and kill police.

Absolutely true.  As a former 'rural' person, I do feel they have gotten left behind though.  The attention on poor gets focused on inner cities.  Maybe i'm wrong, but I see sympathy for the urban poor from the left, but not the rural poor.  Not that the left criticizes them like many on the right criticize the urban poor, but simply a lack of addressing.  In the few times it is addressed, I often see the same arguments the right purports on the urban poor (they are uneducated, are manipulated by the party they vote for, vote against their interests) purported on the rural poor.

I would say the jump from not going to the capitol armed and going to the capitol armed is larger than going to the capitol armed and wanting/acting to kidnap the governor (Which I think are the same thing).

 

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13 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

That said, still a huge jump from doing something that is legal and plotting to kidnap/kill the governor and kill police.

Absolutely true.  As a former 'rural' person, I do feel they have gotten left behind though.  The attention on poor gets focused on inner cities.  Maybe i'm wrong, but I see sympathy for the urban poor from the left, but not the rural poor.  Not that the left criticizes them like many on the right criticize the urban poor, but simply a lack of addressing.  In the few times it is addressed, I often see the same arguments the right purports on the urban poor (they are uneducated, are manipulated by the party they vote for, vote against their interests) purported on the rural poor.

I think it's a problem that has grown up in such a subtle manner that people are pretty honestly unaware of what is happening. For generations the number of people required to support agriculture and resource extraction has been falling steadily, but in the post WWII era there were all kinds of small trends in the other direction that tended to support rural economies: with the completion of the IState system a lot of small manufacturers moved into rural areas,  auto based tourism increased, and the Feds spent a lot of money on western publics works projects. Today a lot of those things are slowly fading away. Just-in-time supply chains and increases in fuel costs had driven manufacturers to re-concentrate. In a kill-the-beast low federal tax environment there is a lot less money to spread around rural development projects, years of high gasoline costs have driven people back to cities closer to where work is, and the knowledge economy thrives on high population density to reach critical masses for innovation. But all the changes have been so gradual, incremental, that none have risen much to national consciousness.

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