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Just keep in mind that doesn’t include any pass along costs. As we know taxes tend to float downstream.

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27 minutes ago, CMRivdog said:

I did a back of envelope calculation. My average weekly use is about 7 gallons.

That’s about a $3 increase per week or about $165 a year. 

A lot cheaper than paying for tires, struts, realignment, etc

this is the thing, We are way beyond the point where the roads are costing us more as consumers than fixing them would. Almost everyone has at least one story of an expensive repair that was a direct result of a bad road.

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I drive through South Carolina often.  The state is known for its low gas prices and horrible roads.  I-95 is two lanes both directions there, and I have never not run into massive traffic jams from the accidents that have resulted from overcrowded roads.

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16 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

this is the thing, We are way beyond the point where the roads are costing us more as consumers than fixing them would. Almost everyone has at least one story of an expensive repair that was a direct result of a bad road.

There's also a lot of used cars on the market w/ extensive hidden damage due to potholes.   

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58 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

The gas tax is by far the fairest tax out there, end of story.  Conservatives should be all for it.

Its beyond fair... at the federal level, it's one of the only forms of taxation that is a set amount and not pegged to inflation. At the federal level, the last time the gas tax was raised, Groundhog Day was in theaters, Bill Clinton was President, and the Bills were losing Super Bowls.

The same (ie. Not pegging to inflation) goes for most states as well, including MI (although I believe sales tax is collected in MI as well).

That's an issue as well for quality of roads.... the amount collected may remain inert, but the cost of labor and materials to build and maintain roads doesn't. The fuel efficiency of vehicles has changed as well. Combined, that means less money to fix roads.

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I went to the nearby Chinese restaurant to fulfill a takeout order for my wife.

While I was waiting for my food, another guy who was waiting for his food started a video on his smartphone full blast for all to hear. He was watching, I guess, a Fox News feed where they were blathering about capitalism and socialism and Venezuela and 1000% inflation and whatnot. The place is small, so you can't not hear it.

I didn't want to hear it. I didn't want to hear anything. I just wanted to get my food and leave.

So I opened the music app on my own phone and started playing, at full blast, "People of the Sun" by Rage Against the Machine.

After maybe ten or so seconds he looked up from his phone at me.

I looked at him and smiled.

He smiled back.

He turned off his phone.

I turned off my phone.

We waited in blissful silence until I got my food a couple minutes later. As I left, I smiled and nodded at him. He smiled and nodded back.

See? We can all get along after all.

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3 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I went to the nearby Chinese restaurant to fulfill a takeout order for my wife.

While I was waiting for my food, another guy who was waiting for his food started a video on his smartphone full blast for all to hear. He was watching, I guess, a Fox News feed where they were blathering about capitalism and socialism and Venezuela and 1000% inflation and whatnot. The place is small, so you can't not hear it.

I didn't want to hear it. I didn't want to hear anything. I just wanted to get my food and leave.

So I opened the music app on my own phone and started playing, at full blast, "People of the Sun" by Rage Against the Machine.

After maybe ten or so seconds he looked up from his phone at me.

I looked at him and smiled.

He smiled back.

He turned off his phone.

I turned off my phone.

We waited in blissful silence until I got my food a couple minutes later. As I left, I smiled and nodded at him. He smiled and nodded back.

See? We can all get along after all.

This is a ******* great story. 

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2 minutes ago, chasfh said:

While I was waiting for my food, another guy who was waiting for his food started a video on his smartphone full blast for all to hear. He was watching, I guess, a Fox News feed where they were blathering about capitalism and socialism and Venezuela and 1000% inflation and whatnot. The place is small, so you can't not hear it.

There's a older Baby Boomer guy at my athletic club who once you say hi to him will only talk about how Trump is great, Democrats are rats, and Millennials are going to be the end of the country.  He railed against Clinton before 2016, but fails to acknowledge and gets defensive against the quantities of scandals Trump is involved in.  He's clearly trying to proselytize Trumpism to anyone who might listen while everyone else is trying to get our workout done and get back to their normal routines.

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19 minutes ago, Euphdude said:

There's a older Baby Boomer guy at my athletic club who once you say hi to him will only talk about how Trump is great, Democrats are rats, and Millennials are going to be the end of the country.  He railed against Clinton before 2016, but fails to acknowledge and gets defensive against the quantities of scandals Trump is involved in.  He's clearly trying to proselytize Trumpism to anyone who might listen while everyone else is trying to get our workout done and get back to their normal routines.

time to load up some Rage Against the Machine on your phone.

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59 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Its beyond fair... at the federal level, it's one of the only forms of taxation that is a set amount and not pegged to inflation. At the federal level, the last time the gas tax was raised, Groundhog Day was in theaters, Bill Clinton was President, and the Bills were losing Super Bowls.

The same (ie. Not pegging to inflation) goes for most states as well, including MI (although I believe sales tax is collected in MI as well).

That's an issue as well for quality of roads.... the amount collected may remain inert, but the cost of labor and materials to build and maintain roads doesn't. The fuel efficiency of vehicles has changed as well. Combined, that means less money to fix roads.

It is a regressive tax, taking a larger portion of household income from the poor.  It is not single mothers working two jobs and fixed income elderly driving Priuses.

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Why can't we build roads like we build airport runways?

 

The excuse we get is the concrete is too loud..........................what a joke. 

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56 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I went to the nearby Chinese restaurant to fulfill a takeout order for my wife.

While I was waiting for my food, another guy who was waiting for his food started a video on his smartphone full blast for all to hear. He was watching, I guess, a Fox News feed where they were blathering about capitalism and socialism and Venezuela and 1000% inflation and whatnot. The place is small, so you can't not hear it.

I didn't want to hear it. I didn't want to hear anything. I just wanted to get my food and leave.

So I opened the music app on my own phone and started playing, at full blast, "People of the Sun" by Rage Against the Machine.

After maybe ten or so seconds he looked up from his phone at me.

I looked at him and smiled.

He smiled back.

He turned off his phone.

I turned off my phone.

We waited in blissful silence until I got my food a couple minutes later. As I left, I smiled and nodded at him. He smiled and nodded back.

See? We can all get along after all.

definitely good that the two of you left with a smile and not an assault and battery.

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1 hour ago, chasfh said:

I went to the nearby Chinese restaurant to fulfill a takeout order for my wife.

While I was waiting for my food, another guy who was waiting for his food started a video on his smartphone full blast for all to hear. He was watching, I guess, a Fox News feed where they were blathering about capitalism and socialism and Venezuela and 1000% inflation and whatnot. The place is small, so you can't not hear it.

I didn't want to hear it. I didn't want to hear anything. I just wanted to get my food and leave.

So I opened the music app on my own phone and started playing, at full blast, "People of the Sun" by Rage Against the Machine.

After maybe ten or so seconds he looked up from his phone at me.

I looked at him and smiled.

He smiled back.

He turned off his phone.

I turned off my phone.

We waited in blissful silence until I got my food a couple minutes later. As I left, I smiled and nodded at him. He smiled and nodded back.

See? We can all get along after all.

Also, Dude, "Chinaman" is not the preferred nomenclature.

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46 minutes ago, Melody said:

It is a regressive tax, taking a larger portion of household income from the poor.  It is not single mothers working two jobs and fixed income elderly driving Priuses.

Honestly, it probably hits trucking firms more than anyone. And they *should* be hit, since they are the ones that largely contribute to wear and tear to asphalt and subgrades of roadways.

Nonetheless, it you would like to propose a different scheme to pay for roadways that does an adequate job of providing DOTs the money they need to fix the roads, I'm all ears. Insofar as I can tell, all the options (ie. taxes/tolls) are gonna be regressive. 

The point I'm trying to make is that people expect 1c from 1993 to pay for material and labor on 2019 projects. I'm sure you would agree that's unrealistic 

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I’m for anything that keeps dirt haulers off 275. Replaced too many windshields becaus3 of these guys.

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22 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Also, Dude, "Chinaman" is not the preferred nomenclature.

Slow left-arm wrist spin seems to be the appropriate reference now - https://www.scoreline.org/is-this-the-end-of-the-chinaman/

Better link: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/australia-v-india-test-series-2017-does-cricket-really-need-to-continue-using-the-term-chinaman-20170326-gv6w27.html

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10 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

Honestly, it probably hits trucking firms more than anyone. And they *should* be hit, since they are the ones that largely contribute to wear and tear to asphalt and subgrades of roadways.

Nonetheless, it you would like to propose a different scheme to pay for roadways that does an adequate job of providing DOTs the money they need to fix the roads, I'm all ears. Insofar as I can tell, all the options (ie. taxes/tolls) are gonna be regressive. 

The point I'm trying to make is that people expect 1c from 1993 to pay for material and labor on 2019 projects. I'm sure you would agree that's unrealistic 

Generally we are able to avoid tolls to get from point A to point B, though it may take longer to get there.   I have not yet heard a solution that I consider fair.  I just know that it isn’t the affluent driving those 90s model gas hogs in my neighborhood.   A gas tax hike may be needed, but they can’t expect to fund what is needed in the way of roads with a huge hike in gas taxes without hurting the working poor most.   A modest increase might be part of the package, but the Prius and Hybrid drivers need to pay their fair share since they use the roads too.  And it was this latter group that griped loudest against a mileage tax.  

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4 hours ago, CMRivdog said:

I did a back of envelope calculation. My average weekly use is about 7 gallons.

That’s about a $3 increase per week or about $165 a year. 

A lot cheaper than paying for tires, struts, realignment, etc

I’m sure the businesses that make and ship all of those consumer goods that we buy in stores will choose to eat that tax from their own bottom line profits rather than pass it on to us the consumer on almost every product that we buy.   Right? 

A better idea would be to legalize sports gambling and take a cut of that money for the roads.  They should also do the same with a portion of pot sales.  At the very least,  those measures would generate enough revenue so that a gas tax much smaller than .45 would be needed.  

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Gas taxes, in part, pay for road maintenance in Ontario.  Which begs the question, already:  why don't electric car owners have to pay for road maintenance?

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2 hours ago, Gehringer_2 said:

definitely good that the two of you left with a smile and not an assault and battery.

Assault and battery is not my style. Passive aggression is. :grin: 

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3 hours ago, Melody said:

Generally we are able to avoid tolls to get from point A to point B, though it may take longer to get there.   I have not yet heard a solution that I consider fair.  I just know that it isn’t the affluent driving those 90s model gas hogs in my neighborhood.   A gas tax hike may be needed, but they can’t expect to fund what is needed in the way of roads with a huge hike in gas taxes without hurting the working poor most.   A modest increase might be part of the package, but the Prius and Hybrid drivers need to pay their fair share since they use the roads too.  And it was this latter group that griped loudest against a mileage tax.  

Spot on. Fuel efficiency is a big part of the funding gap.

Really the best option would be to move to a mileage based tax. But that is also regressive and opens up a whole host of questions regarding privacy and whatnot.

In general, I think the reality is that infrastructure has largely been ignored for years. And the costs of maintenance over time only gets larger when you kick the can down the road..infrastructure has largely been ignored for years. The ASCE has said it for years and has largely been ignored. And the costs of maintenance over time only gets larger when you kick the can down the road..

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2 hours ago, Charles Liston said:

Gas taxes, in part, pay for road maintenance in Ontario.  Which begs the question, already:  why don't electric car owners have to pay for road maintenance?

this is no doubt going to be an issue at some point. Maybe a tax or registration fee on automotive drive batteries? We can rest assured they will come up with something before the electrics gain very much of the total market. Or in the end just do away with the fuel tax and build road taxes into the registration fee for all vehicles and allow for them to be paid monthly or by payroll deduction.

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13 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

... build road taxes into the registration fee for all vehicles and allow for them to be paid monthly or by payroll deduction.

That's probably the smartest way to go to cover both gas and "other-than" gas vehicles...

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