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According to ESPN he told the Lions he was calling it quits:

Calvin Johnson told Detroit Lions he plans to retire

The Lions have not given up hope that Johnson will change his mind, but one person who knows Johnson well said, "He's pretty content with his decision."

I would not be totally shocked to find out this is a BS story and ESPN was just looking for clicks and ran out of SuperBowl talking points and decided to run with a story that was not confirmed, but I would say about 90% that this is the real deal.

So I guess we go WR #1 in this draft...

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There's a lot of talk about this in the off season thread, but it surely warrants a thread of its own.

It should be noted that this isn't NEW information. At least, this isn't a new statement from CJ saying he is retired/retiring. Rather this is new information that he told people BEFORE the 2015 season that he was planning on retiring.

So we're still in the "waiting to see" situation. He hasn't officially retired yet.

But given that he was telling people BEFORE 2015 that he was thinking/planning on retiring, it does make it look a lot less likely that he's returning. This isn't a knee-jerk reaction after a long, hard season where he just feels tired and beat up and doesn't have think he can do another year.

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So I guess we go WR #1 in this draft...

From what some others have said, this isn't a great WR draft class. I hope they don't go WR in the first round. Bigger needs in the lines in my opinion. And given that Quinn is coming from a team that regularly picked up WR from the scrap heap, I'd be surprised to see a WR in the first round.

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ESPN was confident enough to run with it so I figured we should start talking about it as the real deal until we find out other wise.

This changes the whole dynamic of the team. What Stafford can do with a new receiver will be his legacy IMO. The haters always thought CJ made Stafford. If Stafford can go out with a new #1 and still put up good numbers it will quite the haters for a while.

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BTW: I edited the title of the thread to reflect the fact that this isn't new/definitive information yet.

They were talking about it on the radio and had experts like Shefter on talking about it as the real deal. It is the only reason I started the thread. It was not only based on the online article...I just used that for reference.

We all knew he 'might' retire. I am not mad or anything, but you might as well close the thread because this is not a headline anyone cares about.

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Calvin possibly retiring absolutely deserves a thread. It's not official until it's official, so I don't see the big deal in changing the title.

I don't visit the off-season thread so I didn't know anything about. This really sucks if it happens!

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There's a lot of talk about this in the off season thread, but it surely warrants a thread of its own.

It should be noted that this isn't NEW information. At least, this isn't a new statement from CJ saying he is retired/retiring. Rather this is new information that he told people BEFORE the 2015 season that he was planning on retiring.

So we're still in the "waiting to see" situation. He hasn't officially retired yet.

But given that he was telling people BEFORE 2015 that he was thinking/planning on retiring, it does make it look a lot less likely that he's returning. This isn't a knee-jerk reaction after a long, hard season where he just feels tired and beat up and doesn't have think he can do another year.

To clarify, according to shefter, Calvin told a limited number of people prior to 2015 that this past season would be his last. Those people included tulloch and Stanford, but that's pretty much it as far as the team goes.

After the season ended, he told Caldwell that 2015 was his last season.

This is all new information. The previous info was simply that he was considering retiring. Now we have info that he had made his decision and that the decision was made a while ago and affirmed at the end of the season.

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It kind of bothers me when teams go out of their way to persuade these guys to return. I get that they don't want to have to fill another roster hole going into the offseason but let the man be.

It's obvious that this is something he's been mulling for a while so he has thought this through and if he wants to come back, let him do it on his own free will instead of doing it to appease the Lions.

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It kind of bothers me when teams go out of their way to persuade these guys to return. I get that they don't want to have to fill another roster hole going into the offseason but let the man be.

It's obvious that this is something he's been mulling for a while so he has thought this through and if he wants to come back, let him do it on his own free will instead of doing it to appease the Lions.

I agree to an extent, though I do think that because of the physical torture of the NFL season that after it ends there probably are a number of veterans who consider retirement. I think teams just want their players to make an informed decision after they've had a bit of time to rest rather than a decision that might be fueled by body aches and drained energy from a long season.

I don't see a problem with a team saying: "Hey, if that's your call, that's fine... it's totally your decision. We'd just ask that you sleep on that decision for a few weeks. We know the season sucks the life out of everyone who plays so we just don't want you to make a call while you're still feeling beatup. Rest a few weeks, come back and let us know if you still feel the same way, then we'll shake your hand and thank you for all did for the team while you were here."

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It kind of bothers me when teams go out of their way to persuade these guys to return. I get that they don't want to have to fill another roster hole going into the offseason but let the man be.

It's obvious that this is something he's been mulling for a while so he has thought this through and if he wants to come back, let him do it on his own free will instead of doing it to appease the Lions.

Who has gone out of their way? The Lions, from all reports, are letting CJ have all the space and time to make his decision. Caldwell reportedly asked him to take some time to mull it over, some players have retired only to regret their decision later.

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I think he may be the most underrated player in Detroit sports history....

I get confused when people say these things about players that are propped up so high. Someone else was just talking about how Lebron is underrated or does not get the attention he deserves.

There may be a small fringe amount of fans who hate on him because he has been a part of such horrid teams, but the majority of people in Michigan and even across the country know how good he was. I mean we nic named him Megatron ffs.

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I wonder how Bob Quinn really feels about the Calvin Johnson situation?

Does he really want him back badly at $24 million?

I know publicly he would never say that he doesn't want him back because he cost too much.

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...I don't see a problem with a team saying: "Hey, if that's your call, that's fine... it's totally your decision. We'd just ask that you sleep on that decision for a few weeks. We know the season sucks the life out of everyone who plays so we just don't want you to make a call while you're still feeling beatup. Rest a few weeks, come back and let us know if you still feel the same way, then we'll shake your hand and thank you for all did for the team while you were here."

That's exactly what Caldwell did. I agree, I see no harm in asking him to think about it awhile before making his decision final.

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I wonder how Bob Quinn really feels about the Calvin Johnson situation?

Does he really want him back badly at $24 million?

I know publicly he would never say that he doesn't want him back because he cost too much.

The 24 million is "spent" money, so I think he'd rather have him than not have him. Even with that cap charge, they will still have plenty of money under the cap. I don't think he wants to spend much money on free agency, anyways. I think he'd rather find some good value in the draft. They might bump up TJ Jones up to be a starter.

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The 24 million is "spent" money, so I think he'd rather have him than not have him. Even with that cap charge, they will still have plenty of money under the cap. I don't think he wants to spend much money on free agency, anyways. I think he'd rather find some good value in the draft. They might bump up TJ Jones up to be a starter.

No it's not.

It includes salary for 2016 which is NOT spent if he retires.

We get an $11M cap savings if he retires, and ($12.5M?) actual salary cash savings.

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No it's not.

It includes salary for 2016 which is NOT spent if he retires.

We get an $11M cap savings if he retires, and ($12.5M?) actual salary cash savings.

If he plays, it is.

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If he plays, it is.

Well you clearly missed the point of the discussion.

Also, you clearly said it's already spent money, insinuating that it's a hit whether he plays or not. Which is it?

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If he plays, it is.

And if he retires, it's not.

The question was whether Quinn wants him back at a $24M cap hit. You stated it's spent money. No, it's not. Only if he comes back, is it spent. Meaning... UNTIL he plays, it is NOT spent money.

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I have a candy bar.

Someone already ate it.

But only if I eat it.

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I agree to an extent, though I do think that because of the physical torture of the NFL season that after it ends there probably are a number of veterans who consider retirement. I think teams just want their players to make an informed decision after they've had a bit of time to rest rather than a decision that might be fueled by body aches and drained energy from a long season.

I don't see a problem with a team saying: "Hey, if that's your call, that's fine... it's totally your decision. We'd just ask that you sleep on that decision for a few weeks. We know the season sucks the life out of everyone who plays so we just don't want you to make a call while you're still feeling beatup. Rest a few weeks, come back and let us know if you still feel the same way, then we'll shake your hand and thank you for all did for the team while you were here."

Yeah, that's probably the way it played out. I originally read the article as the Lions trying to convince him to change his mind but it seems like more of "We'll give you more time if you're willing to change your mind".

I think the best for both parties is to just move on from each other. If he does decide to come back, I'd like to see him get a shot with a contender.

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