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How I'd handle the offseason, at first glance

Cuts - Tulloch (6 mil saved), Bell(2.5 saved), Wilson(2.3 saved) and Mathis(1.5 saved) - about 12 mil saved, leaving us 35 total under cap

Re-signs - Whitehead(3-4 per), AQ(3-4 per), Manny(1 year 2 mil, offer chance to compete to start), Walker(1/1/5)- 9 mil in 2016 cap hits

Outside FA signings - Olivier Vernon(5/45, you don't get a chance to sign young stud pass rushers often), Nick Fairley(3/20), Casey Hayward(5/35) - about 20 mil in 2016 cap hits

Restructure Calvin, save enough money to pay for draft clas

Vet min signings and re-sigings - Travis Lewis, Don Carey, Darryl Tapp,Rod Streeter

Extend Slay (5/55?)

Draft

1st - A'Shawn Robinson/Jarran Reed,DT,Alabama or Andrew Billings,DT,Baylor

2nd - Sua Cravens OB, USC

3rd (comp,Suh)- Willie Beavers,OT,Western Mich

4th - CJ Procise,RB,Notre Dame or Alex Collins,RB,Arkansas

5th - trade our 5th and Denver 5th to move up for Nick Vannett,TE,Ohio St.

5th - (comp,Fairley) - Vernon Adams,QB,Oregon

6th - Fabian Moreau,CB,UCLA

6th(Sea) - trade this pick and a 7th from NE for a future 5th

7th - project WR

Roster

QB - Stafford, Orlovsky/Johnson, Adams

RB - Abdullah,Procise/Collins,Riddick, Zenner/Winn

FB - Burton

TE - Pettigrew/Ebron Vannett Wright?

WR - CJ, Tate, Jones, Streeter, Fuller, rookie

OT - Reiff,Ola,Beavers,Lucas

OG - Warford,Tomlinson,Boggs,C.Robinson

C - Swanson/Manny

DE Ansah, Vernon, Taylor, Tapp,Webster

DT - Robinson Fairley Reid,Walker Wright

OLB - Levy, BYnes,Craven,Van Noy,

MLB - Whitehead, Lewis

S - Quin,AQ,Carter,Johnson/Carey

CB - Slay, Hayward,Diggs,Lawson,Butler/Moreau

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Seeing a thing on the ESPN crawler that Calvin is done.

Good for him.

Johnson Told Lions he Plans to Retire

Detroit Lions star receiver Calvin Johnson told his family and a close circle of friends before last season that 2015 would be his final year in the NFL, and he delivered the same message to coach Jim Caldwell the day after the regular season ended, sources told ESPN.

Caldwell told Johnson not to rush his decision -- to take his time, sources told ESPN. Out of respect to Caldwell, Johnson agreed to do just that, according to sources.

The Lions have not given up hope that Johnson could change his mind, but one person who knows Johnson well said, "He's pretty content with his decision.".......

If Johnson retires, do the Lions have to go to court to get the bonus money back so that can have more cap space?

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He has to pay a pro rated portion of his bonus back. Yet another player who would rather pay the lions millions of dollars rather than play for them.

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He has to pay a pro rated portion of his bonus back. Yet another player who would rather pay the lions millions of dollars rather than play for them.

It couldn't possibly be due to health or family concerns like other recent players who have retired early.

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Lions leading rusher retired at age 30. Leading receiver retires at age 30. I guess Stafford is going to retire at age 30.

im about ready to retire from the Lions

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He has to pay a pro rated portion of his bonus back. Yet another player who would rather pay the lions millions of dollars rather than play for them.

I dont think so. And I don't think it's a huge deal. At this point of his career he is a 7 - 8 mill dollar player not a 25 mill.

its better for the LIons in the long run.

He was amazing and a sure fire HOF er but really hes stunk for 2 years. Can replace him in draft in the 2nd round.

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I dont think so. And I don't think it's a huge deal. At this point of his career he is a 7 - 8 mill dollar player not a 25 mill.

its better for the LIons in the long run.

He was amazing and a sure fire HOF er but really hes stunk for 2 years. Can replace him in draft in the 2nd round.

88 catches, 1,200 yards, and 9 TD stinks? Man alive I wonder what good or even average production is.

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I dont think so. And I don't think it's a huge deal. At this point of his career he is a 7 - 8 mill dollar player not a 25 mill.

its better for the LIons in the long run.

He was amazing and a sure fire HOF er but really hes stunk for 2 years. Can replace him in draft in the 2nd round.

Stunk? He's been one of the best receivers in football for the last two seasons. He wasn't as good as he was in his prime because his prime was all world and arguably the best of all time. But he was still excellent and in the top handful of wide receivers the last two seasons.

Practically, this hurts the Lions on the field (obviously) but it helps their cap situation. Will be interesting to see how Stafford plays without his security blanket.

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Cap Space if Johnson Retires

.....If he retires, Johnson still would count $12.9 million against the salary cap next year, the same as he would if the Lions release him because of his bloated cap figure.

The Lions would be entitled to pursue repayment of part of the signing and option bonuses Johnson received as part of his current contract, as they did when Barry Sanders retired shortly before the 1999 season. But that money - about $9.7 million total - would affect the Lions' salary cap as a credit beginning in 2017.

In all, the Lions would have an extra $11.1 million in cap space if Johnson retires, a savings similar to what they could get if Johnson agreed to a pay cut as part of a restructured contract this off-season......

Johnson's Contract

It looks like in 2017, the Lions owe Johnson ~$4.9 million in dead money and possibly a $4 million bonus(unless they don't have to pay it) and then the Lions don't owe anything else after 2017.

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I dont think so. And I don't think it's a huge deal. At this point of his career he is a 7 - 8 mill dollar player not a 25 mill.

its better for the LIons in the long run.

He was amazing and a sure fire HOF er but really hes stunk for 2 years. Can replace him in draft in the 2nd round.

That's total and utter BS. He's still one of the more productive receivers in the league. He might not be "megatron" anymore but still a #1 receiver and the most dangerous Lions weapon.

The Lions and even moreso Stafford are going to miss him immensely and it sucks for us fans that we'll never get to see him line up for the Lions again but good for him for getting out before there was too much damage done to his body.

So it looks like they will have $11M of cap savings this offseason. I wonder if this changes their draft strategy or if they will try to pursue a receiver through free agency or trade.

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I think anyone who thought Johnson was coming back with the full salary cap hit was delusional. 24 million dollar hit? I saw a release, trade, restructure or retirement coming. 1 in 4 chance he would suit up again for Detroit. I would rather see him in New England for a couple of years than to see him retire.

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The problem I have noticed with Calvin this last season especially is that his YAC is pretty much nonexistent. The second he catches the ball he almost went down every time. Think I only remember one time this season that he had some running after the catch.

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......So it looks like they will have $11M of cap savings this offseason. I wonder if this changes their draft strategy or if they will try to pursue a receiver through free agency or trade.

Wes Welker is a free agent and he will be 35 when the season starts so he would be perfect for the Lions. I really think they should draft a WR to replace CJ. Maybe in the 2nd or 3rd round.

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Here some comparisons to yards as Calvin, time years under 13 games (Calvin's lowest) and or current age or age of last season

Calvin 11,619 yards, 0 seasons under 13 games, 30

Andre Johnson 14100, yards, two seasons, 34

Terrell Owens 15, 934 yards, one season, 37

Randy Moss, 15,292 yards, zero seasons, 35

Isac Bruce, 15,208 yards, five seasons, 37

Steve Smith 13932 yards, three seasons, 36

Larry Fitzgerald 13,366 yards, zero seasons, 32

Michael Irvin 11904 yards, four seasons, 33

Mushin Muhammad 11438 yards, three years, 36

The reason i posted all this is for the people that just say Calvin is beat up, it's ok he's walking out while he can.

I like Calvin, he's been a good guy. He is first ballot hall of famer. But he flat out quit on the lions and I don't think we should just ignore it.

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Wes Welker is a free agent and he will be 35 when the season starts so he would be perfect for the Lions. I really think they should draft a WR to replace CJ. Maybe in the 2nd or 3rd round.

Even though I've become luke-warm to the idea that we take a Laquon Tredwell or a Josh Doctson in the first round, I really would rather see us go somewhere else with our 1st rounder and find another way to address the void at receiver.

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I dont think so. And I don't think it's a huge deal. At this point of his career he is a 7 - 8 mill dollar player not a 25 mill.

its better for the LIons in the long run.

He was amazing and a sure fire HOF er but really hes stunk for 2 years. Can replace him in draft in the 2nd round.

He was double covered pretty much every play, and playing with an ankle injury. There aren't five players in the nfl who could replace him.

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I think anyone who thought Johnson was coming back with the full salary cap hit was delusional. 24 million dollar hit? I saw a release, trade, restructure or retirement coming. 1 in 4 chance he would suit up again for Detroit.

Silliness

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Stunk? He's been one of the best receivers in football for the last two seasons. He wasn't as good as he was in his prime because his prime was all world and arguably the best of all time. But he was still excellent and in the top handful of wide receivers the last two seasons.

Practically, this hurts the Lions on the field (obviously) but it helps their cap situation. Will be interesting to see how Stafford plays without his security blanket.

Agreed. They can't replace him, obviously. This isn't a good draft for WR, so they will have to work on other things. I like TJ Jones, but I don't know if he's a starting WR in this league. I wouldn't go crazy in FA, either.

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He has to pay a pro rated portion of his bonus back. Yet another player who would rather pay the lions millions of dollars rather than play for them.

I saw a comment today on this news, maybe on ESPN, that he said he was in constant pain the past two years.

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I saw a comment today on this news, maybe on ESPN, that he said he was in constant pain the past two years.

If true, then he made the right choice if he is retiring. It is not worth it.

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Calvin wants to live out the rest of his life being relatively pain free. I can't blame him for that. Hopefully he got out in time to reverse any damage that was done.

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He was double covered pretty much every play, and playing with an ankle injury. There aren't five players in the nfl who could replace him.

Antonio Brown, Julio Jones, Deandre Hopkins, Mike Evans, Fitz, ODB, Landry, Robinson, ....

Right "now" there are 15 WR better than Calvin...

His RAC was 0.. Caught it and went down.

I Love Calvin more than anyone absolutely did but he's just not that good anymore. Its clear his heart isn't in it and really wasn't in it all year. Not a huge loss losing a 30 year old WR with lots of miles on his body while saving tons of cash...

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