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As everyone was/is stating, Cook has a pretty good chance of getting drafted by Dallas with the 3rd pick in the 4th round.

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Quinn is having the exact opposite of Mayhew's fantasy football drafts. His Lions are going to maul people in the trenches.

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20 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

Quinn is having the exact opposite of Mayhew's fantasy football drafts. His Lions are going to maul people in the trenches.

It might be a bit pre-mature to say that they will maul people in the trenches.  These guys haven't played a down yet in the NFL.  But that said, I do like the direction that Quinn is taking here.  I think building the lines is the right thing to do.  It ain't flashy, but it is what we needed.

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57 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

Quinn is having the exact opposite of Mayhew's fantasy football drafts. His Lions are going to maul people in the trenches.

Mayhew made some pretty damn fine choices in the trenches. I don't get the criticism here... He had other drafting issues, not trench-drafting issues. There were some struggles on the O-Line, but it's not as if he wasn't trying to address the issue, or drafting terrible players at those positions. Mix a few Mayhew drafts with Quinn's draft and what do we have so far?

 

Reiff, Tomlinson, Glasgow, Warford, Swanson, Dekker, Robinson (Corey), Connie Lucas on the OL. I like the mix. And all drafted by Quinn or by Mayhew. Mostly by Mayhew. I think the biggest issues last year were: unsettled RT problems, Warford struggled with some injuries, and Tomlinson & Swanson were 1st year starters. Tomlinson I expect will take a big leap forward (Quinn signed Schwartz to push him, cover for any Warford injuries if needed, and to take over for Tomlinson if he falters (I don't expect that to happen btw)), Dekker will settle the RT position one way or another, and Glasgow will push Swanson to be better, if not steal his starting spot at C. I'm perfectly fine with what Quinn has done, and fine with Mayhew's O-Lineman still on the team.

On the DL: Ansah, Taylor, Reid, Robinson (A'Shawn), Wright, Copeland, plus several FA signings (Ngata, Walker, etc.). That's not even counting the guys we lost for salary cap or other reasons (Suh, Fairley, Willie Young, Sammie Lee Hill). Mayhew drafted a lot of good D-Lineman, I don't fault him for that... but again, for other issues. We're not bereft of good D-Lineman even now... But we are where we are so... Love the A'Shawn pick by Quinn.

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In the 4th round... I'd really like to land Judon.

Maybe Cash, but there are a few Safeties I'd be fine with, and only 1 DE. I'm nervous he doesn't make it to our spot. I'll take Judon in the 4th and worry about a Safety later.

With (2) 5th rounders and (3) 6th's, we can get depth in those rounds, and a Safety. I like Killebrew, Cash, Houston-Carson, Kearse, and Frazier... each for different reasons but, we only need 1. Add a WR, LB'er, QB, RB or CB to our Safety and, I'm good.

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PS: I wish we had two 4th's and a 5th instead of the other way around. I'd be more comfortable we'd get both Judon and the Safety that we want rather than having to settle...

Maybe a spot for Quinn to move back into the 4th after we pick (13th I think, 111 overall) by sending some later picks... except it's a lot of distance (last pick in 4th is 139 overall, last available pick before Compensatory picks in 4th is 129 overall, and our first 5th rounder is 151 overall, other pick is 169) for a move-up trade.

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It might be a bit pre-mature to say that they will maul people in the trenches.  These guys haven't played a down yet in the NFL.  But that said, I do like the direction that Quinn is taking here.  I think building the lines is the right thing to do.  It ain't flashy, but it is what we needed.

I was more referring to the stamp Quinn seems to be putting on this team - size, attitude, toughness - which I appreciate.

Obviously these guys haven't proven they will succeed at the NFL level yet, but he has brought on two dominant Big 10 OL and one dominant SEC DL. I like their chances. These are guys that can help the team win outdoors in December in Green Bay or Chicago.

To 84's point, yes Mayhew didn't screw up some of his high first round draft picks, and found players like Suh and Fairley and Ansah as a result. But these are decisions that a grandmother could have made after reading a few mock drafts. Personally, I find it hard to give him too much credit for harvesting such low hanging fruit.

Edit: By my count, three of Mayhew's seven 2nd round picks are out of the NFL, and a fourth, Kyle Van Noy, is not off to a promising start.

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I like it.  They obviously don't ever plan on him being their franchise QB since they have Carr.  This is an investment, they'll use a 4th on him this year and down the road maybe able to flip him for much more. 

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19 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

To 84's point, yes Mayhew didn't screw up some of his high first round draft picks, and found players like Suh and Fairley and Ansah as a result. But these are decisions that a grandmother could have made after reading a few mock drafts. Personally, I find it hard to give him too much credit for harvesting such low hanging fruit...

 

You totally missed my point. Low-hanging fruit? Like Warford, 3rd round? Sammie Lee Hill, 4th round? Willie Young, 7th round? Devin Taylor, 4th round?

But I see you have an agenda and are not interested in an objective conversation, so I will desist.

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You totally missed my point. Low-hanging fruit? Like Warford, 3rd round? Sammie Lee Hill, 4th round? Willie Young, 7th round? Devin Taylor, 4th round?

But I see you have an agenda and are not interested in an objective conversation, so I will desist.

I don't get it dude. If you are still defending Mayhew, more power to you.

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4 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

I don't get it dude. If you are still defending Mayhew, more power to you.

 

Objective means you can see both good and bad points.

Having an agenda means you are not objective. You are blinded by your agenda so I can see where you're incapable of getting it, dude.

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11 minutes ago, RedRamage said:

Will Judon slip to us in the 5th or do you think the Lions would have to trade up if they wanted him?

I would think Baltimore is going to take him with one of their 56 4th round selections. Ozzie Newsome seems like the type of GM to snatch him up and he's got the picks to do so.

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Objective means you can see both good and bad points.

Having an agenda means you are not objective. You are blinded by your agenda so I can see where you're incapable of getting it, dude.

What are you even talking about? Mayhew had his chance and failed. He deserved to get fired. If you want to debate where Mayhew fit on the scale of mediocrity, I would say he was slightly below average as a GM. The team's record under him bears that out. You think he was slightly above average? Fine. It's a relevant argument for two years ago. Should Mrs. Ford have been "objective" and not made a decision to fire him? Mr. Ford apparently kept an open mind about Millen for a long time. That was not a virtue.

Anyway, I'm interested in talking about Quinn, who appears to be establishing a profile I like. Build from the lines out with big, mean players. Don't chase flashy players when line talent falls in your lap. (Aaron Donald anyone? If you're going to talk about the nuts a blind squirrel found, you should also talk about the ones he walked right past.) Quinn seems to be moving this team in the right direction.

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Wow great pick. Best bench broad and verticals for his position, 4.51 40. High character and intelligence(from bleacher report scouting report )

he's as good as Keanu Neal imo. Either way I had a feeling Quinn wanted this type of player so makes sense 

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The guys left that I like . . .

1. Matt Judon/DE

2. Andrew Billings/DT

3. Tarje Sharpe/WR

4. Cardale Jones/QB

5. Daniel Braverman/WR

6. D.J. White/CB

7. Scooby Wright/ILB

8. Tyler Matakevich/ILB

9. Dominique Robertson/OT

10 . Ben Braunecker/TE

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Jason, I don't know what the **** you're talking about. 

Where have I said anything about whether Mayhew deserved to be fired or not? Was mediocre or above average or below average?

This is a conversation you are having with yourself.

 

This is your quote that I started with: "Quinn is having the exact opposite of Mayhew's fantasy football drafts. His Lions are going to maul people in the trenches". So you are pretty explicitly stating that Mayhew devoted too little attention to drafting trench players.

 

A complete and total falsehood, which I pointed out. And now you're trying to twist my words into some referendum that I am making on Mayhew's entire career. You are way off base.

Stay on track, dude.

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