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I think in 2 years we're going to look back at this as entirely neutral. Not good, not bad, and the 2nd year won't be a big deal as we'll probably have traded him after this season.

This is one that is going to tell us whether Avila's 'player development' background is going to count for anything or not. Somebody in the FO sees something or knows something or thinks they know something about Pelfrey that made it a higher priority signing than conventional wisdom argues it has any right to be - so we shall see.

The organization's record on backend guys wasn't particularly good in the prior regime - Penny and Simon come to mind as guys from whom I think we got even less value than anticipated.

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This seems dumb. He's awful.

Hopefully Illitch agrees to go over the luxury tax then. They still need relievers and I had preferred another good bat as well.

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My take on a signing is pretty much generated from this board so I am obviously not excited about this deal. I have a feeling though the Zimmerman signing is going to look better and better as free agency plays out so I will try to just focus on that one. Hopefully, Avila knows something about Pelfrey that nobody else does.

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Free agent.

Gone.

I thought that was the case I was too lazy to look it up. Thank you for enabling my sloth.

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I think in 2 years we're going to look back at this as entirely neutral. Not good, not bad, and the 2nd year won't be a big deal as we'll probably have traded him after this season.

We're gonna trade him? Huh?

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If Pelfrey sucks and someone is tearing it up in the minors, they can easily move Pelfrey to the bullpen. He was very good against RHH last year.

I doubt you have to worry about someone other than Fulmer forcing his way to the bigs, and Fulmer will be on a innings limit.

Brad Asmus believes in set and defined roles for his pitchers for an entire season. I don't see him using Pelfrey in any other way than as a SP.

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the following is presented to you by irrational thought.

Still waiting for a reason other than "It's been a long time since we've had baseball" to get excited about this next year.

Yes, I know. Bah, humbug. But F what this team has become. How on earth did we have Verlander, Scherzer, and Fister in the same rotation, with a line up anchored by Cabrera and now it's just all gone?

Piss off, Tigers. Piss off.

/rant.

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I guess we can look at it like -- Feliz - sucks - gone, Al Al - sucks - gone, traded them for Pelfrey for about the same salary it would've cost for the other two.

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the following is presented to you by irrational thought.

Still waiting for a reason other than "It's been a long time since we've had baseball" to get excited about this next year.

Yes, I know. Bah, humbug. But F what this team has become. How on earth did we have Verlander, Scherzer, and Fister in the same rotation, with a line up anchored by Cabrera and now it's just all gone?

Piss off, Tigers. Piss off.

/rant.

Step away from the keyboard. We still have Verlander and Miggy. Scherzer was signed to a historically bad contract after he apparently reneged on a deal with us and Fister is a shell of himself.

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the following is presented to you by irrational thought.

Still waiting for a reason other than "It's been a long time since we've had baseball" to get excited about this next year.

Yes, I know. Bah, humbug. But F what this team has become. How on earth did we have Verlander, Scherzer, and Fister in the same rotation, with a line up anchored by Cabrera and now it's just all gone?

Piss off, Tigers. Piss off.

/rant.

Because we got most of them when they were cheap and then they became really ****ing expensive. This is what happens in baseball. Its really rare for a team to stya that good for a long period of time. Players move on, teams rebuild. This isn't a "stupid tigers" thing... I really can't stand this entitled fan nonsense.

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Brad Penny was also good at one point so he had upside.

Very true....Pelfrey has had a long career of being below average, punctuated by several seasons where he approached mediocrity. And now, in the looming twilight of his career, we give him a nice 2-year deal as we attempt to compete for a title with a pitching staff that was awful last year and has several key health question marks in the rotation.

Makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

What the hell.

Pelfrey may not hurt this team, but we needed a better pitcher.

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You do realize that being "mediocre" would be pretty good for a #5 starter, right? It's not as if we need him to be the team's ace...

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Because we got most of them when they were cheap and then they became really ****ing expensive. This is what happens in baseball. Its really rare for a team to stya that good for a long period of time. Players move on, teams rebuild. This isn't a "stupid tigers" thing... I really can't stand this entitled fan nonsense.

I really can't stand people criticizing fans for reflecting the expectations of the ownership/management/organization.

MI fired DD last year after years of success because MI was dissatisfied with DD's lack of WS titles.

I can't speak for Mr. Funk, but my expectations are based on MI's expectations...to win a title this year....if that's entitlement, it's the owner who feels that way, and we as fans by extension.

Does Pelfrey help to achieve the goal? IMO, no, and I like others are surprised at the fact that they threw 2 years at him. It's not THAT big of a deal, but it's a real "WTF" moment, similar to how I felt when I saw AA and BA badly mishandle the bullpen at the end of the year.

...while signing Zimm is a good move, and K-Rod is probably somewhat better than Soria, they are still not even back to where they were talent-wise at the beginning of last season.

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You do realize that being "mediocre" would be pretty good for a #5 starter, right? It's not as if we need him to be the team's ace...

It would be, as long as (a) Pelfrey was likely to be as good as mediocre (which I think is less than a 50/50 shot) and (b) a #5 starter is what they needed. They already have a #5 starter, Norris. They already have another guy who has been shuttled back and forth to the mound on a stretcher for the last two seasons and for multiple other seasons before his success with the Tigers (Sanchez). They have another guy who had a really nice comeback late last year but we need to see how durable he really can be after age/surgery/recovery (JV). They have another guy who is ostensibly their ace now (Zimm), switching to the harder league and who had a bit of a down year last year with a loss of velocity, suggesting that he could be anywhere from a little above average to much better in 2016....I'm not worried about Zimm, but his performance level is still somewhat of a question mark.

Frankly, Zimmerman is the only guy out of the 5 above who I think is likely to hit 200 IP. That will keep the bullpen busy...that would be fine if we had a good bullpen, but we have had one of the worst for two years straight....and we have only (so far) managed to replace Soria with K-Rod, which maybe improves that slot but the rest of the 'pen still needs an overhaulin'.

With all of the above, they needed to chase down a middle-rotation guy....either someone who could throw 200 mediocre innings or someone who had some up-side but who might be questionable. Pelfrey is neither, not by a long shot.

With this rotation, they are going to have to invest in another quality FA reliever at minimum....even with that, I think they are going to have to get lucky in the rotation and in the bullpen (healthwise and otherwise) to make the playoffs.

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Pelfrey's stat line last year looked eerily similar to Rick Porcello circa 2010-2012 prior to the jump in his K rate. He had a .334 BABIP a hr/9 rate of .60 and over 50 percent ground ball rate where he's going to be pitching half his games in a spacious ball park. He's mediocre but for a fifth starter he's useful.

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Because we got most of them when they were cheap and then they became really ****ing expensive. This is what happens in baseball. Its really rare for a team to stya that good for a long period of time. Players move on, teams rebuild. This isn't a "stupid tigers" thing... I really can't stand this entitled fan nonsense.
yeah - this was a long time in the making and is hardly the Tiger's fault - it is what baseball and pro sports in the US has become in general. You can blame Curt Flood and Marvin Miller as much as anyone, or maybe the owners for being so greedy in the reserve clause days that the reaction has gone so far the other way.

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The question really isn't whether Pelfrey is useful as a 5th starter (he's probably OK there) but whether a #5 starter is what they needed.

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When fan expectations = owner expectations....it's not fan entitlement.

It's his team, not Funk's...

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The question really isn't whether Pelfrey is useful as a 5th starter (he's probably OK there) but whether a #5 starter is what they needed.

It's December 5th. Signing Pelfrey does not signal the end of the offseason.

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It's his team, not Funk's...

As for Funk's statement, did you notice the part where he labeled it as an irrational rant?

As I said above, I'm speaking for myself, not Funk.

I think it's perfectly reasonable for anybody, whether they are the owner, a reporter, a fan or even a disinterested observer to evaluate moves based on the clear expectation of the organization/owner. To rip that as "fan entitlement" is nonsense.

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It's December 5th. Signing Pelfrey does not signal the end of the offseason.

It's pretty obvious that the rotation is set now, right?

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Budget has to play a role as well. The Cubs surrendered their first round pick and 16 million to pay for a 37 year old pitcher. Not sure what the market will pay these other guys left but anyone left that projects as a mid rotation guy will be getting paid much north of what Pelfrey signed for.

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