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GDT: #7 Michigan State at #12 Michigan 10/17/2015

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Hell.. Just burn this thread. No need to discuss anything. Move on. Lock it up and put it far far away.

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I was just about to post that it was the MSU kicking game that cost them the victory. The punt formation looked odd from the get go.

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The whole game just looked fixed by the officials anyway. I've never seen so many missed holding calls in my life. The only reason state had 2 of their scores is because their O line was holding on both of them (in one case, two Michigan lineman were being held at the same time). The ejection was a complete farce, particularly after two separate later incidents on MSU were totally let go (the last being two knees to Ruddock's head while he was on the ground). I hate watching football when the officiating is this bad. At least the officials got what they wanted.

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In hindsight, why not just run a hail Mary??? Snap it wait out the pass rush and throw the ball as far as you can...

Unreal.

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That's the worst loss ever given the improbable ending.

I can't imagine what O'neil must be going through.

Just soul crushing.

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In hindsight, why not just run a hail Mary??? Snap it wait out the pass rush and throw the ball as far as you can...

Unreal.

The problem is if that only took say 8 seconds it would left MSU with a Hail Mary attempt from their own 45.

Once the snap was fumbled, man, just fall on it or even push it into the line. That would left MSU out of FG range at around the 40 with only a Hail Mary attempt left. Even if Michigan had managed to tackle the guy at the 1 on the return with 1 second to go, the clock likely would have run to 0. It was almost mpossible to lose.

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The snap could've been botched no matter what they did. Just seems like they would have had a formation that would have prepared for that. I haven't had the stomach to watch the play but it seems like everyone was on the line and no one was back with the punter.

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Good game. Look forward to next season

Yep. We have a good team and obviously should have won the game, but the loss isn't devastating in the national scheme of things. I think we have a QB that can go 9-3 or 8-4 with a good team around him, but obviously not a 11-1 or 12-0 guy (like Cook) that's going to threaten any of the top 4. In both our losses he's really missed some throws that would have completely changed both games. I expect the same thing will happen in 1 or 2 of the next 4, and then who knows if we can upset OSU.

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I thought Rudock was solid. Not perfect, but he didn't turn the ball over and made some big third down plays. He's not the second coming, but he's the best UM has this year and he's redeemed himself rather well since the first few games of the season. He missed a few, but so did Connor Cook who is supposedly a first round draft pick. I kind of felt like Harbaugh didn't go to the pass enough and as someone mentioned earlier, MSU's pass defense was suspect.

It's unfortunate that the game ended the way it did, because I think the atrocious officiating will get lost in the stunning defeat.

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I thought Rudock was solid. Not perfect, but he didn't turn the ball over and made some big third down plays. He's not the second coming, but he's the best UM has this year and he's redeemed himself rather well since the first few games of the season. He missed a few, but so did Connor Cook who is supposedly a first round draft pick. I kind of felt like Harbaugh didn't go to the pass enough and as someone mentioned earlier, MSU's pass defense was suspect.

It's unfortunate that the game ended the way it did, because I think the atrocious officiating will get lost in the stunning defeat.

He missed 2 TDs in the 2nd half. One was caught because it was so poorly underthrown, and the other would have iced the game. And the 3rd and 4 pass that he himself ended up catching was of course behind the receiver.

Like I said, he's a 8-9 win guy with a defense like this, which is better than we've had, but both our losses he has been severely out-played. He's mostly done what he's been asked, and is not hurting the team, but the coaches obviously don't trust him enough to open up the offense and he's missing the chunk plays that the dedication to the running game is setting up on a tee for him.

That was still good enough to win today, save for the fluke play, but not good enough to get to the next level of performance.

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The snap could've been botched no matter what they did. Just seems like they would have had a formation that would have prepared for that. I haven't had the stomach to watch the play but it seems like everyone was on the line and no one was back with the punter.

I have seen teams decide not to put a gunner out wide in that situation and put someone like Peppers behind the punter. MSU had no one deep so game is virtually over if he just punts it away and it bounces and rolls.

All hindsight though. Just catch the ball and kick it away.

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Some thoughts....

1. What a fluke ending. Even a bad punter catches that snap and kicks it 99/100 times.

2. MSU's secondary was awful, and Rudock just can't throw medium-long balls consistently enough to exploit it. If Chad Henne is the QB today we win by 4 TDs.

Sigh.

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He missed 2 TDs in the 2nd half. One was caught because it was so poorly underthrown, and the other would have iced the game. And the 3rd and 4 pass that he himself ended up catching was of course behind the receiver.

Like I said, he's a 8-9 win guy with a defense like this, which is better than we've had, but both our losses he has been severely out-played. He's mostly done what he's been asked, and is not hurting the team, but the coaches obviously don't trust him enough to open up the offense and he's missing the chunk plays that the dedication to the running game is setting up on a tee for him.

That was still good enough to win today, save for the fluke play, but not good enough to get to the next level of performance.

Did anyone ever think he was going to take this team to an undefeated season? I know he's missed some passes. So do most QB's. He's not a great QB. Cook couldn't get it done on the last drive and he's supposed to be a top level QB. He was obviously terrible in the Utah game. But he's steadily improved and hasn't made the turnovers and has played well enough to allow the team to win. Had they won, it wouldn't have been because of him and they didn't lose because of him either.

Had the running game (which was not good either) gotten a first down on the final drive, there's no punt to be had. Add to that the big plays the defense gives up, the terrible penalties that they took, the play calling, the questionable officiating etc etc etc.

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I have seen teams decide not to put a gunner out wide in that situation and put someone like Peppers behind the punter. MSU had no one deep so game is virtually over if he just punts it away and it bounces and rolls.

All hindsight though. Just catch the ball and kick it away.

Yup. Trying to make sense of something that doesn't make sense :)

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Did anyone ever think he was going to take this team to an undefeated season? I know he's missed some passes. So do most QB's. He's not a great QB. Cook couldn't get it done on the last drive and he's supposed to be a top level QB. He was obviously terrible in the Utah game. But he's steadily improved and hasn't made the turnovers and has played well enough to allow the team to win. Had they won, it wouldn't have been because of him and they didn't lose because of him either.

Had the running game (which was not good either) gotten a first down on the final drive, there's no punt to be had. Add to that the big plays the defense gives up, the terrible penalties that they took, the play calling, the questionable officiating etc etc etc.

We don't disagree. Rudock is okay but not really great, but still better than what we've had. But there was a perspective (among some fans and Vegas and the computers) that if we won this game, we had a good chance at the playoff. I'm just saying we are not a top 4 or legit top 10 team with okay QB play. Even if we had won today.

I thought Cook (and Burbridge) was great. He was throwing into blanket coverage with blitzes breaking free later in the game. He missed one or two passes, but that's still fewer than Rudock, and he was throwing a lot more difficult passes.

If the QBs are switched we probably win 38-7 or something. Hopefully this QB switching happens next year when Cook is gone and O'Korn or someone else steps up.

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Hokian decision on the punt formation and a ridiculous SPARTY NO moment for Michigan. But really as dumb as that was the difference was the talent at the QB position.

If you swap the team's QBs, I have no doubt Michigan wins this game 35-7. Cook hits guys who are covered all day with perfect throws, and Rudock can't hit wide open guys. The difference in talent between the teams at that position is just massive.

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Hokian decision on the punt formation and a ridiculous SPARTY NO moment for Michigan. But really as dumb as that was the difference was the talent at the QB position.

If you swap the team's QBs, I have no doubt Michigan wins this game 35-7. Cook hits guys who are covered all day with perfect throws, and Rudock can't hit wide open guys. The difference in talent between the teams at that position is just massive.

Well said.

Also,the refs were horrible today. I'm sure its been said already, but good god. I'm sure both teams thought they got screwed, but I felt UM got the worst of it. Probably not the reason they lost,but that targeting call was huge for momentum. That, the Henry personal foul, the call of no catch when Butt cradled it on the dive were probably the 3 worst calls of the day. At least they reversed the block in the back on Lyons and didn't give away the Peppers fumble, which the white hat ref seemed to want to do.

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