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I really am intrigued by the BP idea of a bunch of long-relievers who pitch 2+ innings each appearance to keep their arms stretched out and have a few days of rest in between. A lot of interchangeable parts with maybe one or two specialists.

Somebody with some balls ought to try this out in real life.

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I gotta say I am impressed by Avila's demeanor and willingness to share info and plans.... He didn't say much at his initial press conference but he's been saying a lot since. And I like what I hear.

I was sold on Avila when he was asked about his having his son in the organization shortly after he was hired. He did not run from the question or give fluff answers. He was very honest and and forthright and said it is not easy having your son not perform and a little awkward. If I remember correctly, I think he said he preferred if that Tigers had not drafted Alex.

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Avila singled out Drew VerHagen and Alex Wilson as two relievers who have a shot at making the staff in 2016.

Did he also say that Miguel Cabrera has a shot at making the roster? I mean WTF. Wilson "might" make the staff? Is this a joke?

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Did he also say that Miguel Cabrera has a shot at making the roster? I mean WTF. Wilson "might" make the staff? Is this a joke?

Wilson will surely make the staff, but I'm glad he's not being counted on for a key role in the back of the bullpen. Relievers that don't strike out batters are very volatile and I really don't know what to expect from him next year.

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Wilson will surely make the staff, but I'm glad he's not being counted on for a key role in the back of the bullpen. Relievers that don't strike out batters are very volatile and I really don't know what to expect from him next year.

Plus they could sign Chamberlain during spring training.

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I was sold on Avila when he was asked about his having his son in the organization shortly after he was hired. He did not run from the question or give fluff answers. He was very honest and and forthright and said it is not easy having your son not perform and a little awkward. If I remember correctly, I think he said he preferred if that Tigers had not drafted Alex.

In a recent story he was asked about whether there were guys in the clubhouse saying goodbye like they expected not to be back and he mentioned Alex. But it was more like Al thought from what he had seen that Alex had decided he wasn't coming back than that Al decided he wasn't.

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Wilson will surely make the staff, but I'm glad he's not being counted on for a key role in the back of the bullpen. Relievers that don't strike out batters are very volatile and I really don't know what to expect from him next year.

Anything can happen at any time, but Wilson has now pitched back to back incredibly solid seasons in relief at the Major League level.

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Anything can happen at any time, but Wilson has now pitched back to back incredibly solid seasons in relief at the Major League level.

He's been good. Just wouldn't count on a reliever with a 5.6 K rate be be a set-up man or closer.

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I really am intrigued by the BP idea of a bunch of long-relievers who pitch 2+ innings each appearance to keep their arms stretched out and have a few days of rest in between. A lot of interchangeable parts with maybe one or two specialists.

Somebody with some balls ought to try this out in real life.

I've thought about this idea too and liked it. It would be very interesting to see the plan played out. A special group of players would be needed. It'd be helpful if roster sizes were increased. Maybe the time to test it is for some out of contention team in sept.

There's a more extreme version too. It includes pretty much assigning your first reliever before the game starts and having him pitch 2 or 3 innings immediately after the starter is pulled.

I can't see that structure ever working too well though, it makes the team too inflexible.

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Are you assuming that the selection/identification of bullpen talent is a binary thing? I suppose the FO is mostly responsible but I also know that Managers have influence in this area. It's both/and IMO.

I think all relievers that might be available are discussed by the the entire organization after the season - GM, scouts, manager, etc. I would guess scouts as a group play a larger role than the manager who doesn't get to see all the relievers they might want to pursue on a regular basis. It's then up to the front office to take all the information and make final decisions. That's my guess on how it works anyway. I could be wrong, but I think most managers have a limited role in who they acquire. I would assume he plays a big role in who comes north with the club in April. Of course, it does not stop there because they probably need at least 15 relievers to get through a season (which I think absolutely killed them this year)

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I really am intrigued by the BP idea of a bunch of long-relievers who pitch 2+ innings each appearance to keep their arms stretched out and have a few days of rest in between. A lot of interchangeable parts with maybe one or two specialists.

Somebody with some balls ought to try this out in real life.

This would really structure bullpen roles and commit you to a specific reliever on a given night, no matter the opponent or situation. You also would be fairly committed to sticking with that guy for the duration, whether he had his good stuff or not due to the rest and recovery required for the longer durations. Seems it would make it harder to mix and match, anyway. Interesting thought, though, probably dependant on the talent you have available.

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He's been good. Just wouldn't count on a reliever with a 5.6 K rate be be a set-up man or closer.

I never suggested that. I just was shocked to hear that he "might" make the staff. He was clearly our best reliever this season.

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Tigers won’t force-feed rookies into rotation next year; ‘As we’ve learned, it doesn’t usually work out too well’

This is an excellent article from Mowery with quotes from Avila that I hadn't seen elsewhere. Basically Al is saying they want to sign 2 SPs so they don't need to rush young pitching that's not ready yet--something they've had to do too much.

Nice to hear him say that, and it's a philosophy that will bode well long term, if they can do it.

He also says they'll be aggressive with minor league free agent pitchers.

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I never suggested that. I just was shocked to hear that he "might" make the staff. He was clearly our best reliever this season.

yeah, he's a lock. Looking back at the article, I see it wasn't Avila who said that. It was McCosky.

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Tigers won’t force-feed rookies into rotation next year; ‘As we’ve learned, it doesn’t usually work out too well’

This is an excellent article from Mowery with quotes from Avila that I hadn't seen elsewhere. Basically Al is saying they want to sign 2 SPs so they don't need to rush young pitching that's not ready yet--something they've had to do too much.

Nice to hear him say that, and it's a philosophy that will bode well long term, if they can do it.

He also says they'll be aggressive with minor league free agent pitchers.

All good news. The Tigers had been pretty fortunate with the health of their pitching but when something does happen it gets ugly due to lack of depth.

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All good news. The Tigers had been pretty fortunate with the health of their pitching but when something does happen it gets ugly due to lack of depth.

Yes, depth in the rotation/BP has been an issue since they traded away Fister.

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Geez, way to spoil our off-season thread Al. You're going to sign 2 starters, case closed? We were going to spend 2,000 posts debating that. And now you come in and just stomp us with the actual plan? You POS? DD would never have done that.

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So remember that time Rasmus took out Infante by starting his dive PAST 2nd base and a bunch of people said we only thought it was a dirty play because it happened to the Tigers?

WRONG.

I've always hated slides intended to take out the 2B/SS and always will.

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Utley hit the short stop before he hit the ground. Slid way to late, didn't even touch the bag

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So remember that time Rasmus took out Infante by starting his dive PAST 2nd base and a bunch of people said we only thought it was a dirty play because it happened to the Tigers?

WRONG.

I've always hated slides intended to take out the 2B/SS and always will.

You don't want to see baseball played the right way?

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You don't want to see baseball played the right way?

Baseball is about getting to the base before the throw, not tackling the defenders.

I really don't mind the rule, that you can take out the defender as long as you can still maintain contact with the bag, that would make it much safer. But they aren't calling that.

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Baseball is about getting to the base before the throw, not tackling the defenders.

If Matt Millen was calling the game would he have approved?

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According to the rule, it probably should have been a double play. Instead they called everyone safe. That just encourages people to do what Chase did.

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Tigers PR ‏@DetroitTigersPR 14s14 seconds ago

Dixon Machado went 2x4 with a solo home run and three runs scored yesterday for Leones del Caracas of the Venezuelan Winter League.

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