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Caldwell said there was no consultation with the ownership before they fired this group of assistants.

That doesn't mean that ownership sent a message via other sources, such as Mayhew...

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......But the 30-year-old Cooter, who spent one season working on new Bears coach John Fox's staff with the Denver Broncos, is well respected across the league and for the work he did with the Lions last year.

"He's a phenomenal quarterbacks coach," Mayhew said. "He's been around great quarterbacks, he played the position himself, he's a great teacher. He has an understanding of what coach (Jim) Caldwell wants taught. He's got a great relationship with those guys in that room. Very knowledgeable coach. Great guy to be around.......

Does anyone think Cooter has done a good job as the QB coach of the Lions? It looks like Stafford has regressed. There is a really good chance this dude is just a filler for the position until the end of the season unless a miracle happens and the Lions become a completely different team.

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Caldwell said there was no consultation with the ownership before they fired this group of assistants.

I wouldn't call the owner calling to say "DO IT" 'consultation' either. :wink:

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From article above:

Does anyone think Cooter has done a good job as the QB coach of the Lions? It looks like Stafford has regressed. There is a really good chance this dude is just a filler for the position until the end of the season unless a miracle happens and the Lions become a completely different team.

I don't think any of us has any way of knowing if he's done a good job.

In any event, yes, he is filler. But so are the rest of them at this point.

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From article above:

Does anyone think Cooter has done a good job as the QB coach of the Lions? It looks like Stafford has regressed. There is a really good chance this dude is just a filler for the position until the end of the season unless a miracle happens and the Lions become a completely different team.

To be fair, the QB coach can only do so much. The mechanics aren't changing at this point. They need to scheme with consideration to where Stafford excels. Spread em out in the shotgun and get right of the ball quickly. I hope we see some no huddle or up tempo type stuff with Cooter. It wasn't going to work under Lombardi, the scheme didn't suit what Stafford can do. If you have ingredients for spaghetti, well then make spaghetti, Lombardi was trying to make rizoto. And rizoto sucks. Spaghetti is awesome.

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Caldwell said there was no consultation with the ownership before they fired this group of assistants.

Well, maybe that means they didn't consult Jim Caldwell before telling Martin to do it.

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Seems more like he was always on the way to being an OT. I wouldn't mind having him in the role you speak of, like I mentioned, but he certainly wasn't moved because of Ebron.

The article you quoted says otherwise. Every article on the issue says otherwise. He became buried in the depthchart after resigning Pettigrew, drafting Ebron, and Fauria looking like he could be something.

Undrafted Joseph Fauria had already rocketed past him on the tight end depth chart with some strong early performances. Fauria validated that ascension with seven touchdown catches in the regular season.

When the Lions drafted Eric Ebron in the first round after already bringing back Brandon Pettigrew, there was no opportunity for Williams to climb higher than fourth at his position

It's like you read the part of the article that you thought proved your point and just stopped...literally the next two paragraphs say EXACTLY what I said, nearly word-for-word. Everything you are posting validates my point, yet you keep stating them as if they do otherwise.

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From article above:

Does anyone think Cooter has done a good job as the QB coach of the Lions? It looks like Stafford has regressed. There is a really good chance this dude is just a filler for the position until the end of the season unless a miracle happens and the Lions become a completely different team.

But he scored a 34 on the ACT in high school! He probably helped Caldwell to map out and analyze every single throw Stafford made during the 2013 season. And, he's broken into a young woman's bedroom, stripped down to his underwear and got in bed. Where else you going to find a dude with those credentials?

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Per Chris Mortensen on ESPN's halftime show:

"Jim Caldwell wants that one-back offense more uptempo and simplifying the playbook...."

I don't know where he got those tidbits, but I pass them along.

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She's been playing at it so who knows?

But one thing that struck me the other day with regard to the Lions front office's long sorry hiring history, is that maybe they are too close to FoMoCo and that proximity provides the wrong hiring model for a sports team. In industry, jobs are designed so that most people with the typical qualifications can do them well enough. It would be impossible to run an industrial business successfully if everyone you hired had to be one of the very best of their breed. So in most industrial fields, and certainly the one FoMoCo is in, you don' have to fire people for not being exceptional, and when things do go south enough that you have to fire someone, it is the normal expectation that the next person 'in line' so to speak, is competent to do the job.

In pro sports management, all that is all exactly wrong. If you are going to win, finding one of the very few finest people in the field is exactly the *minimum* requirement for the coach and gm spots - and there is no reason at all to ever think the next guy 'in-line' is the guy that is going to be able to do the job if the present guy can't. So maybe 'Ford Culture' (thinking here about WCF Jr mostly - not that he is relevant in this particular case but looking at the history) and whatever wisdom and experience pervades the Lions from the family overlap from the Ford industrial management culture over the decades, has been perfectly wrong for the Lions.

Russ Thomas was Old Man Ford's drinking buddy and Tom Lewand Jr. was the son of the team's attorney. It is likely that nepotism is what has run this organization, not a flawed personel model.

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Russ Thomas was Old Man Ford's drinking buddy and Tom Lewand Jr. was the son of the team's attorney. It is likely that nepotism is what has run this organization, not a flawed personel model.

That's a fair theory as well, particularly the drinking part. But complex system failures are usually multi-modal....:laugh:

I'd really just like the melodrama aspect of the team's existence to end. My most formative memories of the Lions go back to the 60s, when they didn't win any championships but at least they were competitive, had a mix of good players, and the team was not a soap opera (other than a bit of nonsense with Karras)- you could root for them and not feel foolish for it. It seems like every decade since then they have just gotten progressively more ridiculous. Even when they won a little under Fontes it was more Barry and bag of gimmicks than solid football. Even through the course of last yr's moderate success, the specter of the bad contract situations and poor drafts was already looming over the horizon.

At this point I just want the Lions to be some other town's team. I want a different one.

Edited by Gehringer_2

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That doesn't mean that ownership sent a message via other sources, such as Mayhew...

Yes, especially given the fact Caldwell said no changes were coming. Caldwell will spout out the company line. It was either ownership or Mayhew who forced his hand.

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But he scored a 34 on the ACT in high school! He probably helped Caldwell to map out and analyze every single throw Stafford made during the 2013 season. And, he's broken into a young woman's bedroom, stripped down to his underwear and got in bed. Where else you going to find a dude with those credentials?

That whole story is over blown and silly. Cooter (hehe) went to a friends place which he frequently visited, unknown to him the friend had sublet the apartment.

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That whole story is over blown and silly. Cooter (hehe) went to a friends place which he frequently visited, unknown to him the friend had sublet the apartment.

So you are saying he went through all that trouble and didn't get any action? What a waste.

In regards to the Fords as owners of the Lions. Was old man Ford just too nice? Was he always afraid to do something that could be seen as negative because he had a car company attached to him?

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So you are saying he went through all that trouble and didn't get any action? What a waste.

In regards to the Fords as owners of the Lions. Was old man Ford just too nice? Was he always afraid to do something that could be seen as negative because he had a car company attached to him?

I think he just wasn't confrontational at all.

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Only Lions fans could think that firing some asst coaches and internal promotions are a fix for this team.

On to the Super Bowl.

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Only Lions fans could think that firing some asst coaches and internal promotions are a fix for this team.

On to the Super Bowl.

I don't think it's a fix, but it at least tells me that Mrs. Ford is willing to fire clowns that are not doing a good job and if things continue down this garbage path, she will fire more as the season goes on or after the season.

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So you are saying he went through all that trouble and didn't get any action? What a waste.

In regards to the Fords as owners of the Lions. Was old man Ford just too nice? Was he always afraid to do something that could be seen as negative because he had a car company attached to him?

He was a nice man and very stubborn who knew nothing about how to achieve success. He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and never had to work for anything. He led a life of leisure.

And, like biggs said, i dont think he liked confrontation or to upset people he liked. He was a great man to work for because he had no expectation of success.

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He was a nice man and very stubborn who knew nothing about how to achieve success. He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and never had to work for anything. He led a life of leisure.

And, like biggs said, i dont think he liked confrontation or to upset people he liked. He was a great man to work for because he had no expectation of success.

To build off of this thought, I grew up with a guy born into money who inherited a successful family business.

Nicest person you could hope to meet, never made anyone feel beneath him, devoted to his wife and kids, genuinely wants the best for those around him, is generous to a fault. Lots of positive qualities - certainly more than the vast majority of people I meet - but I wouldn't want him running my business (if I had one), though.

I never met nor have met anyone who know William Clay, but that was my sense of him as well.

Edited by Mr. Bigglesworth

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Per Chris Mortensen on ESPN's halftime show:

"Jim Caldwell wants that one-back offense more uptempo and simplifying the playbook...."

I don't know where he got those tidbits, but I pass them along.

If true, did Caldwell just realize this? It took him 7 garbage games to realize this when any Lions fan could clearly see this.

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There's a story out there that when Millen was fired he highly recommended Mayhew as the GM. Which seems pretty darn stupid to me. If you're firing a guy for being unable to evaluate and hire competent, successful players and coaches, why would you listen to him for a recommendation for a new GM?

This just feels like the same thing to me. We're starting to fire coaches because the team is just awful and the guys that Mayhew brought in to run the team aren't getting the job done. But then we're listening to Mayhew tell us about the next great coach:

"He's a phenomenal quarterbacks coach," Mayhew said. "He's been around great quarterbacks, he played the position himself, he's a great teacher. He has an understanding of what coach (Jim) Caldwell wants taught. He's got a great relationship with those guys in that room. Very knowledgeable coach. Great guy to be around."

Cooter might be everything that Mayhew says he is, but I'll believe it when it I see it. I'm not trusting Mayhew's judgement of coaches right now.

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