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Why not hire Gardenhire?

Should Ron Gardenhire be the next Tigers manager?  

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  1. 1. Should Ron Gardenhire be the next Tigers manager?

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    • Only if all better options are exhausted (explain)
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Clueless Joe Torre never won a playoff game before managing the Yankees. Great players = great manager. As others have said, the bar is low if you are looking to improve on Ausmus. IMO Grady managed his bullpens well.

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My first question would be, "how many different names have you used on motownsports and what were they?"

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That's not a fair criteria until you have heard my response.

Well, if you came up with a response, I would conclude that you must be Brad Ausmus in disguise, and security would escort you to the door.

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I don't know enough about either of these guys, but...

How would you compare Gardenhire with Manny Acta?

I just liked the sound of Acta being favorable to analytics and his earlier losing teams being mainly a function of really crappy rosters...

Any opinions?

I wouldn't be surprised if Acta is the favorite if we fire Ausmus

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You people need to stop acting like there's some great difference between Ausmus and anyone else we may hire.

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You people need to stop acting like there's some great difference between Ausmus and anyone else we may hire.

You've made this non argument a couple times.

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You people need to stop acting like there's some great difference between Ausmus and anyone else we may hire.

Could you go a little more in depth on what we are allowed to argue?

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My question might be...who would be the "Harbaugh hire?" The person out there we most desire who seems too good to be true but somehow through a combination of push and pull it happens.

Leyland was.... Sparky was...

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I wouldn't be surprised if Acta is the favorite if we fire Ausmus

Acta, Renteria, Gardenhire.....they all seem like acceptable candidates to me, but I pay very little attention to managers when they're not playing the Tigers.

I don't even remember much about gardenhire.bunt.gif to be honest. If he doesn't bunt JD or Miggy or <=2 spots in front of either of these guys, I don't think that's a big deal.

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My question might be...who would be the "Harbaugh hire?" The person out there we most desire who seems too good to be true but somehow through a combination of push and pull it happens.

Leyland was.... Sparky was...

uhhh...Maddon? Realistic long shot: Francona. Unrealistic long shot: Scosiosa.

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My question might be...who would be the "Harbaugh hire?" The person out there we most desire who seems too good to be true but somehow through a combination of push and pull it happens.

Leyland was.... Sparky was...

I honestly don't think such a thing exists in baseball.

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Could you go a little more in depth on what we are allowed to argue?

You have to admit, it's a lot of angst, emotion and energy going into something that has very little impact on the outcome of baseball games. Not counting leadership skills. which can't be quantified, the strategic decisions Ausmus makes are not dissimilar to his cohorts, and the statistical impact of the choices, over the course of a season, don't have much impact on wins and losses. It's much ado about nothing, and I don't think it makes anyone feel better, so what's the point?

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You have to admit, it's a lot of angst, emotion and energy going into something that has very little impact on the outcome of baseball games. Not counting leadership skills. which can't be quantified, the strategic decisions Ausmus makes are not dissimilar to his cohorts, and the statistical impact of the choices, over the course of a season, don't have much impact on wins and losses. It's much ado about nothing, and I don't think it makes anyone feel better, so what's the point?

I'm with this guy.

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That sounds hilarious in a 4chan sort of way

God, that website. I have seen things there that I wish I could bleach from my mind. But every once in awhile I get bored and go back. Only to be disgusted again.

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My question might be...who would be the "Harbaugh hire?" The person out there we most desire who seems too good to be true but somehow through a combination of push and pull it happens.

Leyland was.... Sparky was...

A sabermetric robot programmed by Shelton and Pyro.

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You have to admit, it's a lot of angst, emotion and energy going into something that has very little impact on the outcome of baseball games. Not counting leadership skills. which can't be quantified, the strategic decisions Ausmus makes are not dissimilar to his cohorts, and the statistical impact of the choices, over the course of a season, don't have much impact on wins and losses. It's much ado about nothing, and I don't think it makes anyone feel better, so what's the point?

It's telling that the debate has gone from "is he bad?" to "who else is as bad as he is?" and "how many games has he cost us?"

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You have to admit, it's a lot of angst, emotion and energy going into something that has very little impact on the outcome of baseball games. Not counting leadership skills. which can't be quantified, the strategic decisions Ausmus makes are not dissimilar to his cohorts, and the statistical impact of the choices, over the course of a season, don't have much impact on wins and losses. It's much ado about nothing, and I don't think it makes anyone feel better, so what's the point?

Why would you not count such an important part of the job? Some, including myself, would say the management and massaging of 25 different egos, finding the way to maximize ability out of these individuals while keeping them focused and motivated through an extremely long and grueling season, is the most important part of the job.

We could hire any number of guys to push buttons in various situations going by the stats, it's the stuff that can't be quantified when managing a team that sets men apart.

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I want anyone that would've walked Altuve and did not care if they pinch hit with Preston ****ing Tucker.

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You have to admit, it's a lot of angst, emotion and energy going into something that has very little impact on the outcome of baseball games. Not counting leadership skills. which can't be quantified, the strategic decisions Ausmus makes are not dissimilar to his cohorts, and the statistical impact of the choices, over the course of a season, don't have much impact on wins and losses. It's much ado about nothing, and I don't think it makes anyone feel better, so what's the point?

I don't disagree with you too much here, but it is easier to do without the broad generalizations. :wink:

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You also have the possibly apocryphal tales of the Twins trying to turn David Ortiz into an inside out go the other way kind of hitter. Coaching is weird

That's for real. It was in an SI interview years ago. First of all we have to get our heads around the Twins having released Ortiz after his age-26 season, in which he had an OPS of .839. Early the next season, with the Red Sox, he came up to the plate with a man on second and none out. He produced the obligatory ground ball to second and, having "done his job", returned to the dugout where Grady Little said to him "tell you what, next time why don't you go ahead and drive him on in".

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God, that website. I have seen things there that I wish I could bleach from my mind. But every once in awhile I get bored and go back. Only to be disgusted again.

I have a much younger co-worker who says what he does is looks at the sub reddit sight devoted to 4chan stuff. So its all screen shots of horrible horrible stuff but isn't as bad for your computer.

I think even having $1m in federal identity insurance I wouldn't put my computer near those maniacs.

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I'm with this guy.

I think the right manager can make a difference.

I don't want to understate the importance of having good players. But I don't believe that managers have Zero impact on the season either. Some of these guys actually do have sharp bullpen usage, or great leadership/ inspiration/ managerial skills, etc...

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