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Why? So they can score well on a list? They need ML players... Getting that from 4 draft picks is like a 6% success rate.... That pays off in 2019. No thanks.

They score terrible on all lists right now. They need young talent, they are way short of the industry norm. They won't be able to compete in 2019 with the talent they have now. They are not a couple of players away. They have a lot of needs.

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Signing free agents doesn't stop that. Its not an either/or proposition. A franchise isnt ruined because they didn't draft a guy in the 2nd round. Most second rounders dont pan out. Most first rounders dont pan out. Most third rounders dont pan out.

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Signing free agents doesn't stop that. Its not an either/or proposition. A franchise isnt ruined because they didn't draft a guy in the 2nd round. Most second rounders dont pan out. Most first rounders dont pan out. Most third rounders dont pan out.

They can sign free agents that are not tied to free agent compensation.

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They can sign free agents that are not tied to free agent compensation.

And I'm sure that's the position they will take this winter.

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They can sign free agents that are not tied to free agent compensation.

I'd be really stupid to limit the pool of players you chase. If it's top a 11-15 pick you would be losing, it should definitely factor into the equation. But if it's a 2nd round pick or beyond, that would be a huuuuuuge overvaluation of the worth of that pick.

Any arguments to the contrary should really be dismissed outright by the FO, and they probably will be.

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I'd be really stupid to limit the pool of players you chase. If it's top a 11-15 pick you would be losing, it should definitely factor into the equation. But if it's a 2nd round pick or beyond, that would be a huuuuuuge overvaluation of the worth of that pick.

Any arguments to the contrary should really be dismissed outright by the FO, and they probably will be.

It isn't just a pick. They need to rebuild, and would be going backward by trading a 2nd rounder for a Jeff Samardjiza or the like. I don't think that's a great way to fix their problems right now. I don't want to argue that anymore.

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It isn't just a pick. They need to rebuild, and would be going backward by trading a 2nd rounder for a Jeff Samardjiza or the like. I don't think that's a great way to fix their problems right now. I don't want to argue that anymore.

They are not going to rebuild and they are going to try and win next year, so it is just the pick.

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So... Forget winning. Just rebuild. Then in 5 years we'll have a bunch of Lonnie chisenhall players.. A string of .500 seasons... But we'll have made Keith law happy.

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It isn't just a pick. They need to rebuild, and would be going backward by trading a 2nd rounder for a Jeff Samardjiza or the like. I don't think that's a great way to fix their problems right now. I don't want to argue that anymore.

As Drizzle rightly notes, they will not go into a full rebuild next yr unless the team is sold. That said, if moving/losing prospect(s) results in signing a good ~30 yr old player for 5 years, that is roster spot that you don't need to fill from the system for a long time. The problem is only moving prospects for short term signs, not long term ones.

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When I say rebuild, I mean their minor leagues. They have a long way to go.

I also think everybody else here would agree with me that the talent level needs to improve there.

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The window isn't closed....I'd trade a 2nd round pick for Samardizja any time

I'd rather spend more money on Price and keep the pick.

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As Drizzle rightly notes, they will not go into a full rebuild next yr unless the team is sold. That said, if moving/losing prospect(s) results in signing a good ~30 yr old player for 5 years, that is roster spot that you don't need to fill from the system for a long time. The problem is only moving prospects for short term signs, not long term ones.

Actually, if Samardzija (or anyone else) wants a 1 year deal that'd be good too. In theory, he can re-establish value, and next year we can get a comp pick higher than the 2nd we give up.

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I'd rather spend more money on Price and keep the pick.

I'd forget about Price...spend less on a starter or two and more on the bullpen and the OF

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Rebuilding the minor league system and improving the current ML team for the next 4 years have nothing to do with each other. The system doesnt get built from a single draft pick.

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Rebuilding the minor league system and improving the current ML team for the next 4 years have nothing to do with each other. The system doesnt get built from a single draft pick.

Would you make this trade?

Dexter Fowler for Spencer Turnbill?

Signing a free agent is still the cheapest way to acquire talent in terms of evaluating a 40 man roster. Their are other ways besides the amateur draft to build a farm system. I don't get why the Tigers would only limit themselves to players not tied to a comp pick.

Cudyer was signed for 2 years at 21 million, which is pretty cheap even considering they gave up a first round pick.

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Would you make this trade?

Dexter Fowler for Spencer Turnbill?

Signing a free agent is still the cheapest way to acquire talent in terms of evaluating a 40 man roster. Their are other ways besides the amateur draft to build a farm system. I don't get why the Tigers would only limit themselves to players not tied to a comp pick.

Cudyer was signed for 2 years at 21 million, which is pretty cheap even considering they gave up a first round pick.

Or Fowler for Smyly?

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Or Fowler for Smyly?

Or Fowler for Turner, who was an even higher prospect.

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How about fowler for the chance to draft smyly or ziomek or turnbull or jake Thompson or James McCann or Andy Oliver or Cody satterwhite or Danny worth or Ron borquin or Tyler Alexander, but you don't know which one you will get until three years later.

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I really didn't think we had a chance at bottom 10 a while ago. So congrats to us on our suckitude. May it be short and sweet so that we can get back to winning next year.

Hopefully I'm not too early on this, only to see the team go on a mini-run to end the season and end up 11th. .

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When I say rebuild, I mean their minor leagues. They have a long way to go.

I also think everybody else here would agree with me that the talent level needs to improve there.

Cruzer, don't ever change. Because this is how I will tell if the body snatchers got you.

In an ideal world, we wouldn't lose any draft picks. But you can't eliminate free agents at positions of need from the pool of options, even if they cost a draft pick. And if they do, regardless of whether it's a 1st or 2nd, it's not going to break our minor league system. Our system sucks because we have had many poor drafts in a row, and because we've traded the few good players we have drafted. One lost draft pick isn't going to make or break our system or turn the tide from a bad system into a good system. It's not. But eliminating guys who might cost us a pick from our free agent options could make or break our major league team in 2016 and beyond. Let's not be so short-sighted. Try to avoid losing a pick if you can, but if you must do it to address needs on the MLB club, then so be it.

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Cruzer, don't ever change. Because this is how I will tell if the body snatchers got you.

In an ideal world, we wouldn't lose any draft picks. But you can't eliminate free agents at positions of need from the pool of options, even if they cost a draft pick. And if they do, regardless of whether it's a 1st or 2nd, it's not going to break our minor league system. Our system sucks because we have had many poor drafts in a row, and because we've traded the few good players we have drafted. One lost draft pick isn't going to make or break our system or turn the tide from a bad system into a good system. It's not. But eliminating guys who might cost us a pick from our free agent options could make or break our major league team in 2016 and beyond. Let's not be so short-sighted. Try to avoid losing a pick if you can, but if you must do it to address needs on the MLB club, then so be it.

Can't be short sighted, either. Picks are important for the Tigers. The Cubs or Astros or Red Sox would have nothing to lose, they are all loaded. The Tigers have a long way to go. They need to stock up on every pick and every young player they can get their hands on right now.

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Why.? That's like not taking a job that's 50 miles away because of gas cost but instead buying lottery tickets

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