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These are from Johnson's draft profiles:

Draft Profile 1

.....PLAYER COMPARISON

With his athleticism and chiseled frame for someone at his position, Johnson has been compared to Kawhi Leonard of the San Antonio Spurs, the MVP of the NBA Finals a year ago. Leonard spent two years in college and lasted until the 15th pick in the first round. Johnson's physical style of play is similar to that of a young Ron Artest, but he doesn't come with the emotional baggage that the player later known as Metta World Peace did......

Draft Profile 2

.....NBA Player Comparison

Johnson brings a unique overall skill set to the table, so it's difficult to say he's exactly like a certain player, but he's drawn comparisons to Metta World Peace, also known as Ron Artest. Johnson is a far better ball-handler and athlete than World Peace and can certainly create more on offense -- not to mention a personality contrast. However, they are both alike due to their size, strength and defensive tenacity. World Peace was able to get to the basket on drives by bullying his defender and Johnson has that same quality. While it's not a precise match, it's still a fair comparison.....

Draft Profile 3

.....He also has an extremely impressive foundation to build on -- he doesn't have any glaring weaknesses and already has an NBA body, solid shooting ability, and the ability to defend multiple positions. Best case scenario for Stanley Johnson is probably Paul Pierce, who had similar size and worse stats as a freshman, but who developed much more before entering the NBA. Worst case scenario for Stanley Johnson is a smaller Marvin Williams, who also had impressive college statistics and on-paper athleticism, but never fully developed his potential. While this would be disappointing, Marvin Williams has played ten seasons in the NBA and started over 500 NBA games. Suffice to say that I expect Stanley will be in the NBA a long time even if he doesn't become a superstar......

This all really means nothing but it is interesting to read and hopefully Johnson turns out to be an above average player for the Pistons.

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The Marvin comparison is as puzzling as the Leonard comparison. People just don't know to explain a traditional SF anymore.

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I hold svg in high regard as a coach, but the jury is still out on whether he can draft well or identify talent.

This would be the case regardless of who he chose in this years draft.

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After having a little time to cool off and think about it, I'm not as upset as I was last night. Even though SVG said it wasn't between Johnson and Winslow the fact that he passed on Winslow is what has upset most people. But after thinking about it, Johnson was the higher rated prospect coming out of High School, was higher rated up until February of this year, had equal to better production this past season and really was pretty much Winslow's equal until Winslow put up a good 10 or so game stretch during tournament time.

While there is definitely something to be said for having good games when the lights are the brightest, it also was such a small sample that it shouldn't have as much weight as it seemingly did. If he didn't have those good games and Duke didn't win the National Championship would everybody be clamoring over Winslow(myself included)? I'm not so sure, I mean yeah he may still have been higher ranked by most people but I don't think it would be as drastic as people are making it out to be. So basically it seems like most people are predicting the future for these guys based off of a 5-10 game sample.

While certainly Winslow could turn out to be the better player it's just as easy to think that Johnson will be his equal or better. fivethirtyeight posted their top college players based on advanced analytics and Winslow and Johnson were neck and neck being 2-3 respectively. Basically they had the exact same score. The bottom line is that even though myself and many others thought we should have selected Winslow it's not like it's completely unreasonable for the Pistons brass to like Johnson more which is why I don't think it deserves the criticism and uproar that it has created on the internet and radio.

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After having a little time to cool off and think about it, I'm not as upset as I was last night. Even though SVG said it wasn't between Johnson and Winslow the fact that he passed on Winslow is what has upset most people. But after thinking about it, Johnson was the higher rated prospect coming out of High School, was higher rated up until February of this year, had equal to better production this past season and really was pretty much Winslow's equal until Winslow put up a good 10 or so game stretch during tournament time.

While there is definitely something to be said for having good games when the lights are the brightest, it also was such a small sample that it shouldn't have as much weight as it seemingly did. If he didn't have those good games and Duke didn't win the National Championship would everybody be clamoring over Winslow(myself included)? I'm not so sure, I mean yeah he may still have been higher ranked by most people but I don't think it would be as drastic as people are making it out to be. So basically it seems like most people are predicting the future for these guys based off of a 5-10 game sample.

While certainly Winslow could turn out to be the better player it's just as easy to think that Johnson will be his equal or better. fivethirtyeight posted their top college players based on advanced analytics and Winslow and Johnson were neck and neck being 2-3 respectively. Basically they had the exact same score. The bottom line is that even though myself and many others thought we should have selected Winslow it's not like it's completely unreasonable for the Pistons brass to like Johnson more which is why I don't think it deserves the criticism and uproar that it has created on the internet and radio.

Winslow was rated #4 in November. Johnson never hit that number. So it wasn't just the tournament.

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I wonder who the Pistons had higher on their draft board between Johnson and Mudiay? Would they have gone PG if he fell?

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Winslow was rated #4 in November. Johnson never hit that number. So it wasn't just the tournament.

Johnson started out slightly ahead last summer, but then Winslow was generally ahead by a bit, then Johnson was ahead for February/half of March. I guess that's when the tournaments happened and Johnson went from 5 to 9 and Winslow from 9 to 5.

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Boston trading up to the 9 spot for Winslow

......According to ESPN's Chris Forsberg, the Celtics coveted Duke's Justise Winslow so badly they made an offer to the Hornets that included up to six future draft picks, including four potential first-rounders — some of which came in this year's draft.....

If this is true, you kind of wonder if they called Detroit to move up to the 8 spot to get Winslow.

From another article:

Pistons brass huddled over trade offer

......Van Gundy said the Pistons took trade calls from "four or five teams" both before and after the team used the No. 8 overall pick on Johnson, the former Arizona small forward.

One call, received with the Pistons on the clock after the Denver Nuggers chose Emmanuel Mudiay at No. 7, prompted Van Gundy, general manager Jeff Bower and assistant general manager Brian Wright to huddle away from others in the war room......

Edited by nd1377

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This would be the case regardless of who he chose in this years draft.

Do you feel that way? Sounded before like you were just going to defer to him because he's s-m-r-t.

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Guy in the freep had a good point.....maybe SVG was so certain that Winslow wouldn't be there he gave himself more opportunity to fall in love with Johnson.

But whatever....both guys have their strengths and weaknesses. Johnson probably has a higher floor and lower ceiling...I still would've gone with Winslow but even if Winslow is great that doesn't mean Johnson can't be awesome as well.

I think this happens all the time to teams in drafts and actually thought about this scenario myself...but there would be no reason for this to happen to the Pistons because Winslow was targeted in this range all along.

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If we passed up that offer were ****ing stupid.

Agreed...but it is kind of funny to see the Celtics try to unload all those picks they stocked up and not land the player the want. I have hated the Celtics ever since they were gifted Kevin Garnett. I am too young to hate their 80's teams.

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If we passed up that offer were ****ing stupid.

Unless they feared Stanley being gone in the following 2 or 3 picks and were that much in love with the guy and they didn't want to lose out on him then I definitely don't get it. You could probably entice a team around 12 or 13 to take the two first rounders you would be getting this year and still get Stanley and have the 4 extra picks for the future.

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For that many picks I would have been fine passing on Johnson/Winslow and shoot for someone like Oubre or Dekker.

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Do you feel that way? Sounded before like you were just going to defer to him because he's s-m-r-t.
I think you're mistaking someone else's posts for mine. I've only posted twice since the draft other than this comment and haven't said anything at all about how I feel about the pick. My feeling about SVGM is that he's been a pretty sub-par so far but happy with his job on the floor so I'm in full agreement with you on this actually. Sounds to me that if he drafted Winslow you'd be singing a different tune however and I think even if he drafted Towns the jury would still be out. His only draft pick was Dinwiddie which I think was pretty good, but how can we tell but this will definitely be a draft where we learn about his ability to evaluate talent. That said, this could just as easily end up being a KCP vs Burke debate where neither one does anything worth crowing about. In the end, I don't know if I'm deferring to him or just pretty confident that the NBA draft is a crap shoot and if he likes SJ better then Winslow then that's who he should take, and shouldn't choose Winslow just because Chad "Darko" Ford thinks he should.

I also think it's pretty significant that Winslow did most of his damage playing as a small 4 and not against other SF's. Not sure how that will translate in the NBA when he's playing SF

Edited by DaBishop

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I can't believe that trade was really offered to anyone and then turned down, particularly if they were including next years Nets pick which will be a lottery pick. If we turned it down, that's insane and SJ better end up being a perenial All-Star

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For that many picks I would have been fine passing on Johnson/Winslow and shoot for someone like Oubre or Dekker.

Not only that but... with that many picks, and Boston going Winslow at #8, #9 Charlotte - Kaminsky, now we're talking from #10 thru #15 being trade up candidates (we offer a couple picks to go up after Boston sends 6 our way) with several players available, including Johnson.

So on our board: Johnson, Booker, Turner, Oubre... Wouldn't be hard to go up for Booker IMO (I'm thinking Miami would've wanted Johnson badly instead of Winslow, and not wanted to trade out of the #10 spot...).

Hard to pass up on that deal if they offered it to us. Don't think I could've done that like SVG...

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For that many picks I would have been fine passing on Johnson/Winslow and shoot for someone like Oubre or Dekker.

I can see Dekker, Oubre just seems like a genuine project best sat behind a really good player/mentor to see any real return on the pick.

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I went back and watched Johnson's Draft Express video. I can see why SVG likes him so much. He may not have the athleticism of Winslow but he has some slipperiness to his game and knows how to get to the basket and get a decent shot. Whether he can finish at a high enough level is a concern but he is young enough yet it is easy to overlook that.

His background story is somewhat interesting to me as well given it that it appears his mom starting grooming him for basketball from a young age. I can't say for sure she is one of those crazy parents who become overly obsessed with youth sports and working their kids towards a scholarship but it would not surprise if this was the case either. Either way, combine that with a wonderful gifted player, and you end up with Stanley Johnson. And I while I was a harsh on his jump shot yesterday, I do buy into the VanGundy's assertion now that with a few tweaks, it can be NBA good. Also, I still love that he comes into the NBA with a strong left hand because I don't think that is as easy to develop once you mature as people think.

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Also, I still love that he comes into the NBA with a strong left hand because I don't think that is as easy to develop once you mature as people think.

No joke. Just ask Brandon Jennings (right hand, in his case).

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