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Do you also see the part where he said a contending team can't have a developmental player (Castellanos) starting?

Developmental player is a pretty broad concept. I'd want him to be fairly along the developmental trail by mid-season. If this was, say, Lewis and Clark, I wouldn't want them to still be is Missouri, for instance, at mid-season.

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I'm laughing. AT not WITH, btw.

Oooooooh sick burn.

I'm still trying to figure out what you're developmental comment means. Plenty of contending teams stash developmental players at the bottom of their lineup. Why is that so hard for you to fathom?

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The Tigers lead the Central Division by 25 runs in team offense and have average defense, second-best in the Central defensively....but yeah, they can't afford to have Nick Castellanos starting at 3B, not even when he's been raking the **** out of the ball for the last month.

I mean having a bullpen filled with leaky propane tanks and a glass menagerie of starting pitchers is really only a secondary problem to Nick.

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The Tigers lead the Central Division by 25 runs in team offense and have average defense, second-best in the Central defensively....but yeah, they can't afford to have Nick Castellanos starting at 3B, not even when he's been raking the **** out of the ball for the last month.

I mean having a bullpen filled with leaky propane tanks and a glass menagerie of starting pitchers is really only a secondary problem to Nick.

*Amen*

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Nick is having a nice 2nd half !!

119 ab's 8 hr 24 rbi .261 .346 .538 for an .883 OPS

That he is, the popular notion on this board that Nick is bad at baseball and that JV is washed up may become laughable by September call-ups.

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Acuna, Castellanos earn Player of Week honors

 

Castellanos, meanwhile, slashed .393/.485/.714 with three doubles, two homers and 10 RBIs to earn the AL honor. The 26-year-old opened the week with a breakout performance against the White Sox, snapping a cold streak with his first career five-hit performance.

Castellanos also slugged a go-ahead two-run homer in the seventh inning and totaled five RBIs. He's the first Tigers player to collect five hits in a game since Ian Kinsler did it at Wrigley Field in 2015.

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I believe he should have been the Tigers rep in the AS game. Thought it was BS when he wasn’t the guy. 

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2 hours ago, 1776 said:

I believe he should have been the Tigers rep in the AS game. Thought it was BS when he wasn’t the guy. 

Blame the players. Their votes filled the reserves leaving the only spots for team reps being pitchers.

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16 hours ago, 1776 said:

I believe he should have been the Tigers rep in the AS game. Thought it was BS when he wasn’t the guy. 

In a similar vein that I posted on the MLB boards, Nick Castellanos and Hank Greenberg are the only Tigers in history to hit 35+ doubles, 10+ triples, 25+ home runs, and 100+ RBI in a season (Nick did that last year). 

Yes, I realize this is cherry picking  stats, but given all the great hitters in Tigers history, that's still a pretty amazing accomplishment.

Nick will barely be 27 at the start of baseball next season.  He can be a pillar of the team for the next five years.

~K 

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13 minutes ago, Kari Smith said:

In a similar vein that I posted on the MLB boards, Nick Castellanos and Hank Greenberg are the only Tigers in history to hit 35+ doubles, 10+ triples, 25+ home runs, and 100+ RBI in a season (Nick did that last year). 

Yes, I realize this is cherry picking  stats, but given all the great hitters in Tigers history, that's still a pretty amazing accomplishment.

Nick will barely be 27 at the start of baseball next season.  He can be a pillar of the team for the next five years.

~K 

It was definitely a good season with the bat. The triples requirement makes it pretty tough for even the best hitters to reach those milestones, of course. 

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17 minutes ago, Kari Smith said:

In a similar vein that I posted on the MLB boards, Nick Castellanos and Hank Greenberg are the only Tigers in history to hit 35+ doubles, 10+ triples, 25+ home runs, and 100+ RBI in a season (Nick did that last year). 

Yes, I realize this is cherry picking  stats, but given all the great hitters in Tigers history, that's still a pretty amazing accomplishment.

Nick will barely be 27 at the start of baseball next season.  He can be a pillar of the team for the next five years.

~K 

You could be a pillar of this board if you'd post more.

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31 minutes ago, Kari Smith said:

In a similar vein that I posted on the MLB boards, Nick Castellanos and Hank Greenberg are the only Tigers in history to hit 35+ doubles, 10+ triples, 25+ home runs, and 100+ RBI in a season (Nick did that last year). 

Be that as it may ..there are at least 430 ..maybe 40 ..Tiger hitters of the past that I would prefer over Nick.

He will hit ..but still chases pitches outside/low like a sophmoreon.

Probably best to trade Nick by the deadline next year for potential prospects.  

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Nick was minus 21 runs combined at 3b and RF last season, so far this season he is minus 18 in RF so the move to RF has been pretty much a wash defensively. Defensively his '17 vs '18 UZR are also pretty much a wash. His bat was 12th in wOBA at third last season, 8th this year in right so I guess that makes the move to 3rd a weak net plus. I suppose if you believe UZR over RDS that -8 runs is not so big a defensive deficit, esp if his bat still has some additional upside. OTOH, if he is really costing us 20+ runs as defender I'd rather hope they move him.

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1 minute ago, Gehringer_2 said:

Nick was minus 21 runs combined at 3b and RF last season, so far this season he is minus 18 in RF so the move to RF has been pretty much a wash defensively. Defensively his '17 vs '18 UZR are also pretty much a wash. His bat was 12th in wOBA at third last season, 8th this year in right so I guess that makes the move to 3rd a weak net plus. I suppose if you believe UZR over RDS that -8 runs is not so big a defensive deficit, esp if his bat still has some additional upside. OTOH, if he is really costing us 20+ runs as defender I'd rather hope they move him.

The problem with that, of course, is that it’s unlikely anyone would give up much for him if his glove is negating whatever offensive benefit he brings. I think the best course of action with him is to see how does with a move to first base. 

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8 minutes ago, Shelton said:

The problem with that, of course, is that it’s unlikely anyone would give up much for him if his glove is negating whatever offensive benefit he brings.

T'is a puzzler.

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12 minutes ago, Shelton said:

The problem with that, of course, is that it’s unlikely anyone would give up much for him if his glove is negating whatever offensive benefit he brings. I think the best course of action with him is to see how does with a move to first base. 

As they didn't get much for JD ..just imagine how much they won't get for Nick!!!!!!!

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9 minutes ago, Tigrrfan said:

As they didn't get much for JD ..just imagine how much they won't get for Nick!!!!!!!

I'm already imagining the 33 page thread about it.

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Nick will eligible to become a Free Agent after 2019. 

Why even think about resigning Nick to a $15m+/yr multi-year contract ..when, ..reality suggests the Tiger probably not going to be seriously competitive again until after Miggy leaves (at least until  the 2024 season)?  Nick will be 27 years old prior to opening day next year ..28 years old prior to opening day 2020.  He will be 31 years old prior the 2023 season.

Reality suggests the Tigers will not be competitive again by 2020, at least not seriously competitive as for a playoff spot.  Definitely not going to win any wildcard berth playing under .500 baseball.  Next year's team might be more brutal than this year.  At best, they might challenge to be better than a 90-loss team by 2020 ..but they have too little (too few) nearly-ready MLB level talent type players in the minors right now to seriously think they'll compete for playoffs as soon as the season after next year.  .. .. .. .. .. And there is no reason to believe they can sign a free-agent or two prior to 2020 season to make a huge difference.  Has anyone else (besides me) checked the Free Agent class for after 2019 and entering the 2020 season? Nick might be the next-best in FA hitting-class that year (after Nolan Arenado), and there is not much else beyond Xander Bogearts (a shortstop, which the Tiger farm is abundant at), Avisail Garcia, Yasiel Puig, & Billy Hamilton (yeah, right ..all 3 are ???) ..and then Nolan Arendo (who may command $30m/yr ..and Tigers are not likley to spend that much.)  So basically, the Tigers are probably not going to be seriously competitive for 2020 (or again, before 2023 or 2024.)

So, ..trade Nick by next year's deadline ..preferably this winter ..for a decent prospect or two ..else lose him to FA after next year.

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Yeah Matt Adams who has an .850 OPS on the season to go along with several other seasons of .800+ was just had for "cash considerations".   These offense only guys that play corner positions like Castellanos are going for peanuts. 

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There would be very little argument from anyone if he could be traded for decent value.

I know the GMs here could do it, probably Avila can't.

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