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2015 MLB DRAFT June 8, 2015 - 6:00 PM

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Maybe 6th round pick Matt Hall will be reason for enthusiasm for those who are not enthused:

Lefthander Matt Hall of Missouri State already was moving into 4-6 round consideration before his strong finish, which included a one-hit victory at Arkansas in the super regional. With plenty of scouting heat in to see teammate Jon Harris and Razorbacks outfielder Andrew Benintendi over the weekend, Hall impressed, hitting 90-91 mph at times with his fastball and showcasing command of his plus curveball. He’s a candidate to go in the first three rounds as a potential fast-moving lefty reliever for teams that want him in that role.

Could Draft Be Moving? Who's Rising Up Draft Boards? - BaseballAmerica.com

Hall has grown on me as a pitcher. As a lefty, he led the NCAA in strikeouts with 163 (12.6 K/9), but his fastball doesn’t reach 90 mph. He is a true pitcher with plus command and several pitches. He has a two and a four-seam fastball, and each have a distinct break (86-88 mph and touching 89). Additionally, he possesses a good 2/10 curveball that he works between 70-75 mph. It will be interesting to see where he goes in the draft. He has little up or down side. He is what you see. I have heard some people say he is a left-handed Mike Leake and I could see that. I think he may go higher than some people suspect, as it only take one team to take a chance on him and his lack of downside.

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John Manuel

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There goes LHP Matt Hall to the Tigers; one of the better curveballs in the draft, definitely had some late helium #MLBDraft

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I don't know enough about any of the guys mentioned here to *****. I don't know enough about any of the guys we passed on to *****.

I do know that our drafting/developing in recent history has been very poor. Since the days of being able to draft and pay the huge "signability" guys we have really failed to add premium prospects to our system, and that's disheartening. I don't know if the guys we have drafted yesterday/today will continue that trend or mark an improvement, but the fact is we've been pretty poor at it in recent years. We've had just enough prospects to go out and get guys like Soria, Greene, Simon, etc. We haven't had a prospect cable of making a trade like the Cabrera deal really since that deal.

I'm more than OK with using a farm system as trade bait to bring on established players. Doing it that way guarantees you'll have an expensive big league club, but if you're willing to pay for them it's a great way to win. But to sustain it is still dependent on drafting/developing quality talent; nearly as much as relying solely on your farm system to stock your club is. High payroll or no, if we cannot start bringing some quality prospects into this system we're going to be in for a long stretch of dismal baseball...again.

Yet we had enough to get David Price. How many 24 year old Cabrera types have been available that we haven't been able to get?

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I don't know enough about any of the guys mentioned here to *****. I don't know enough about any of the guys we passed on to *****.

I do know that our drafting/developing in recent history has been very poor. Since the days of being able to draft and pay the huge "signability" guys we have really failed to add premium prospects to our system, and that's disheartening. I don't know if the guys we have drafted yesterday/today will continue that trend or mark an improvement, but the fact is we've been pretty poor at it in recent years. We've had just enough prospects to go out and get guys like Soria, Greene, Simon, etc. We haven't had a prospect cable of making a trade like the Cabrera deal really since that deal.

I'm more than OK with using a farm system as trade bait to bring on established players. Doing it that way guarantees you'll have an expensive big league club, but if you're willing to pay for them it's a great way to win. But to sustain it is still dependent on drafting/developing quality talent; nearly as much as relying solely on your farm system to stock your club is. High payroll or no, if we cannot start bringing some quality prospects into this system we're going to be in for a long stretch of dismal baseball...again.

Pretty much how I feel. It's interesting about the change of how the draft works. I think its clear that Detroit had a cetain advantage under the old system and have not adjusted or found another process to adjust. Obviously some time needs to pass to know this for sure but it sure the hell is looking this way.

If the Padres take Verlander in 04' we really havn't had a frontline pitching prospect since that we drafted or developed. Porcello is our next best. Before Verlander...Bonderman. Before Bonderman....maybe Weaver when he was good....Thompson before his injury. So like 4 or 5 guys in a 25 year span. Only one was a legit frontline guy(based on career stats). I know its tough to draft frontline guys but geeesh. It's not like we were piling up on all-star hitters to counter. The hitting side of it might be worse.

Hopefully Burrows breaks that trend. He has the best fastball prolly since Verlander that we have drafted. At some point it would be nice if we could lucky and fine our own Degrom,Mchugh or Kluber.

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Pretty much how I feel. It's interesting about the change of how the draft works. I think its clear that Detroit had a cetain advantage under the old system and have not adjusted or found another process to adjust. Obviously some time needs to pass to know this for sure but it sure the hell is looking this way.

If the Padres take Verlander in 04' we really havn't had a frontline pitching prospect since that we drafted or developed. Porcello is our next best. Before Verlander...Bonderman. Before Bonderman....maybe Weaver when he was good....Thompson before his injury. So like 4 or 5 guys in a 25 year span. Only one was a legit frontline guy(based on career stats). I know its tough to draft frontline guys but geeesh. It's not like we were piling up on all-star hitters to counter. The hitting side of it might be worse.

Hopefully Burrows breaks that trend. He has the best fastball prolly since Verlander that we have drafted. At some point it would be nice if we could lucky and fine our own Degrom,Mchugh or Kluber.

Bonderman wasn't drafted by Detroit. The Tigers did draft Smyly who was emerging as a nice starter.

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The Amateur draft is just one way you shape your MLB club. The other is trades, FA signings, and international signings....

these guys are so far removed from contributing that to me it's almost like dungeons and dragons or role playing. It's fun to do but the real impact on the MLB club is like playing the lottery.

I'm not criticizing it or making fun of those who get into it.

I agree, but without strong drafting the trades part of it will go away quickly. We are on that verge now. People sometimes act if other orgs would only be so lucky if we dangled Tyler Collins to get some stud player. We have ziltch for a trade of any real magnitude. FA signings is what we need to graviate away from, and tbh becasue of contracts to Verlander,Cabby,Victor and we keep Price we really can't do much there. International signings......if we could ever land a Soler,Moncada,Tomas,Castillo sure....but we usually just get the Moya's,Wilken Rameriz and Audy Ciriaco's. The two best we have gotten we traded(Adames and Garcia).

If we don't have any bullets to truly get plus talent the way this organization has been setup it is in serious jeporday for a period that will resemble pre 06. I don't think this is far fetched or sky is falling talk. It's soon to be reality unless we can start finding some Klubers and more J'd's.

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Who was still on the board? Babe Ruth? Willie Mays? Willie Mays Hays?

Closer to the majors College starting pitchers who were ranked top 25 overall........

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Maybe 6th round pick Matt Hall will be reason for enthusiasm for those who are not enthused:

Could Draft Be Moving? Who's Rising Up Draft Boards? - BaseballAmerica.com

Creating Rankings for the 2015 Draft

If he can strikeout that many batters with that fastball he's def worth a look. He must have some mad deception and movement with below average velocity even from the left side.

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i.e. Ryan Perry, Jonathon Crawford.

Neither of those two were on the level of Funkhouser, Harris, or Buehler. Hell before the velocity decrease with Funkhouser all three were top 15 projected picks.

Perry and Crawford were **** picks at the time and we're blasted instantly by most. Burrows is a great talent and I'm glad we have him. All I'm saying you probably could had snagged him at 34. And even if he wasn't there you most likely get Nolan Watson. I would had prefered one of the College arms mentioned paried with either Burrows or Watson...hell even Chris Betts(hitter) than the combo we came up with.

We are void of anything close to a great 1-3 type starter in our system. Most likely we lose Price. Verlander is not the Verlander of a top 20 starter in baseball going forward most likely. Hopefully he's a solid #3 going forward. Sanchez if he were pitching good this year would had been my candidate to trade in the offseason or even deadline if the team ship sunk. Greene I like and hope will turn into a great #3 type but he needs to rack up more k's. Simon is most likely a one year stop.

I just think a College pitcher with the pedigree of one of those three would had been smart to hedge this rotation a bit. You still could had landed your 3-4 years away high upside prep pitcher 12 picks later. We need impact starters, why not double up? I could be very wrong but I don't trust a Farmer/Verhagen/Ziomek to really hold down our 4 and 5 spots next year if competing is our goal. Maybe if 2012 Sanchez and Verlander were leading the pack, but those days look to be long gone.

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Pretty much how I feel. It's interesting about the change of how the draft works. I think its clear that Detroit had a cetain advantage under the old system and have not adjusted or found another process to adjust. Obviously some time needs to pass to know this for sure but it sure the hell is looking this way.

If the Padres take Verlander in 04' we really havn't had a frontline pitching prospect since that we drafted or developed. Porcello is our next best. Before Verlander...Bonderman. Before Bonderman....maybe Weaver when he was good....Thompson before his injury. So like 4 or 5 guys in a 25 year span. Only one was a legit frontline guy(based on career stats). I know its tough to draft frontline guys but geeesh. It's not like we were piling up on all-star hitters to counter. The hitting side of it might be worse.

Hopefully Burrows breaks that trend. He has the best fastball prolly since Verlander that we have drafted. At some point it would be nice if we could lucky and fine our own Degrom,Mchugh or Kluber.

I am not sure a judgement can yet be made about how clubs adjust to the new system.

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What is their philosophy, as you understand it?

1-2 toolsy prospects per draft along with 25-30 system guys that we can hold onto as fodder for 2-4 years?

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I was hoping we'd get Funkhouser or the Duke kid. I know they are both question marks coming off injuries, but the upside is really good. Would have liked to take a chance on one of them.

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Bonderman wasn't drafted by Detroit. The Tigers did draft Smyly who was emerging as a nice starter.

Right. To be fair I did say drafted OR developed. Smyly is one I forgot to mention. I loved the pick at the time. Thats a perfect supp or second round pick to me. Hope the kids shoulder is alright, really liked his game.

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Tigers not the only team to pass on Funkhouser. Yes, gurus had him as a potential top 15 guy, but obviously a reason he lasted until 35. In his comments, Chadd hinted at injury concerns, among other things, as a reason they didn't pounce on one of the free-falling college arms.

I always want to the Tigers to do better, but there was little excitement here (putting it kindly) when they drafted McCann, Smyly or Thompson.

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Eric Longenhagen ‏@longenhagen 5m5 minutes ago

Tigers 7th round pick, SS Nick Shumpert. Big tools, big question marks. https://youtu.be/OQHvbvXg7j4

Shumpert is son of ex-big leaguer Terry Shumpert and cousin of Mookie Betts.

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Mike Ferrin ‏@MikeFerrinSXM 37m

Matt Hall’s a pick I really like for Tigers in 6th round. Great performance this weekend vs. Arkansas. Touched 91 on TV this weekend.

John Manuel ‏@johnmanuelba 36m

@MikeFerrinSXM With his final pitch at that. TV gun but his last pitch was his best velocity.

JJ Cooper ‏@jjcoop36 45m45 minutes ago

Likely Donny Everett and Justin Hooper, top 2 undrafted players left on the BA 500, to fall to tomorrow. Cost/College making them fall

@longenhagen 4h

Teams who look like they have some extra money to spend today:

Braves

Yankees

DBacks

Tigers

Maybe the Tigers use some of that extra $$ + the 100k they are alloted from pick 11-40 to grab one of those guys tomorrow.

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Well, they aren't anymore. Hindsight and all that.

Who's hindsight? Yours?

Crawford was at the time known to be a two pitcher pitcher who had a good(not great fastball), potential plus slider(with command issues) and average at best overall command. No third pitch really to speak of. When drafting a College pitcher at pick 20 you really should make sure that pithcer has a little less risk to stick as a starter than that. The writing was on the wall that day and they further cemented that with trading him for a #5 starter less than two years after being drafted. Thats pretty pathetic and waste of a first rounder.

Most viewed him as a bullpen guy from the start. Sure any pick could be viewed as "hindsight" but that pick was never considered a smart one to begin with. Perry was even worse.

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Tigers not the only team to pass on Funkhouser. Yes, gurus had him as a potential top 15 guy, but obviously a reason he lasted until 35. In his comments, Chadd hinted at injury concerns, among other things, as a reason they didn't pounce on one of the free-falling college arms.

I always want to the Tigers to do better, but there was little excitement here (putting it kindly) when they drafted McCann, Smyly or Thompson.

Yeah, I'm not really upset about Funkhouser as I know about the injury concerns. Harris is the one that really bugs me though. Buehler to a degree as well. I understand his durability concerns. I thought McCann,Smyly and Thompson were all solid picks at the time. No complaints here. I guess why I'm sorta baffled is with four picks in the top 99 I expected outside of the first round something similair to at least that. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I don't see that.

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What traded away prospects/draft picks(and there are a lot of them) have ever really amounted to anything for their new teams? Not Many.

That should give you an indication on how poor this team has drafted over the past 10 or so years. But, I guess the one thing you can say about Dave is that hes never really been burned in a trade other than the Fister deal, but he wast a draft pick. Makes me wonder why teams still trade for Tigers prospects...

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Who's hindsight? Yours?

Crawford was at the time known to be a two pitcher pitcher who had a good(not great fastball), potential plus slider(with command issues) and average at best overall command. No third pitch really to speak of. When drafting a College pitcher at pick 20 you really should make sure that pithcer has a little less risk to stick as a starter than that. The writing was on the wall that day and they further cemented that with trading him for a #5 starter less than two years after being drafted. Thats pretty pathetic and waste of a first rounder.

Most viewed him as a bullpen guy from the start. Sure any pick could be viewed as "hindsight" but that pick was never considered a smart one to begin with. Perry was even worse.

Funkhouser can't maintain his mechanics or control and would cost over slot money to sign. Beuhler is an injury risk with a limited fastball and limited upside. Harris only sits 91-93 and none of secondary pitches are consistent.

These guys are on another level? pls.

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About all I could google on Moreno:

The right call: Texas Tech baseball's Moreno makes the most of coming back for his senior season | Lubbock Online | Lubbock Avalanche-Journal

Once that muscle started loosening up, it all started to come together. Moreno has touched 97 this season and his average fastball in his two starts was around 92 mph. When he comes out of the pen, Tadlock said he cranks it up to 94 or higher.

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He also wanted to improve against left-handed batters. With an unusual arm slot, Moreno has always been dominant against right-handers and he could be seen as a right-handed specialist at the next level.

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