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Man has been paving with concrete for a little over a century. And that was the just about the lifespan of the landline and the incandescent bulb. If our mind was put to it, we'd get there.

Also, the Romans were using pozzolanic cements 2000 yrs ago. The Portland process isn't the only way to make a cement.

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I don't have a dog in this hunt as I don't live in MI. But I did hear a conversation on WJR a few months ago when PW Smith was ranting about the roads after he ruined another tire on his car. Some guy called in who claimed he worked as a road construction guy for years.

He claimed they are making the roads out of inferior materials and processes. I have no clue if that is true - but I would imagine roads are like many other things - you get what you pay for.

Just my .02.

There are only a handful of major contractors for the roads and they farm out the work to smaller companies. It's been the same few companies for years and they have lots of friends in Lansing. They purposely make the roads with lower quality materials to save money and to also assure that they will keep getting work in the future. Nobody in our state holds them to a reasonable standard. It's like an ATM machine to them.

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There are only a handful of major contractors for the roads and they farm out the work to smaller companies. It's been the same few companies for years and they have lots of friends in Lansing. They purposely make the roads with lower quality materials to save money and to also assure that they will keep getting work in the future. Nobody in our state holds them to a reasonable standard. It's like an ATM machine to them.

That was the vibe I was getting from the guy. I would also not be surprised one bit.

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The Chamber of Commerce Grand Haven, Spring Lake, Ferrysburg’s Board of Directors unanimously supports a “YES” vote on May 5 to insure that Michigan creates a long-term, sustainable funding source for the state’s transportation system.

It is no secret that Michigan has dangerous potholes, crumbling pavement and plywood on bridges. Over the years, Michigan has simply not invested enough to maintain our roads properly, relying on unsustainable one-time fixes instead of long-term solutions.

Our state currently spends 70% less per mile than the surrounding Great Lakes states – 1 in 3 Michigan roads are in poor condition and 1 out of 9 Michigan bridges is considered “structurally deficient” by the Federal Highway Administration.

Poor roads aren’t just an inconvenience – they threaten the safety of our employees, our families and our businesses. Poor roads directly affect our local businesses as we move products and services to our customers.

The Chamber, as well as a broad coalition of public safety, business, education, policy and municipal leaders all believe Proposal 1 is good for Michigan. The Safe Roads YES! Campaign has released an employer toolkit for educating voters on Proposal 1. The toolkit can be found here.

We all have an important decision to make about how we pay to maintain and build our transportation system in Michigan. A “YES” vote on May 5, for Proposal 1 is our best chance to ensure safe and effective roads in Michigan.

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In the end, I probably would have supported it if they had raised the income tax instead, which they could have done without the vote, which is why they didn't, which is probably why I will still vote no.

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Polls close in just over 1 hour.

I had forgotten, wife reminded me when she got home. Basically walked right in and out, but there was a pretty steady single stream of cars pulling in.

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I had forgotten, wife reminded me when she got home. Basically walked right in and out, but there was a pretty steady single stream of cars pulling in.

Same experience here, I just got home from voting. I was voter number 400 in Pittsfield Precinct 03.

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I did not vote. Couldn't go this morning and had to run across town for a meeting then rush to pick up a prescription and then go to HS orientation for my oldest.... I didnt feel that passionate either way. I tend to trust snyder but I wonder if he really wanted it

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Stephen Clark said polls suggest a 4-1 defeat.... much bigger than projected.

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Stephen Clark said polls suggest a 4-1 defeat.... much bigger than projected.

Freep was hovering around 78/22 since polls closed. stopped watching it once they called it.

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Stephen Clark said polls suggest a 4-1 defeat.... much bigger than projected.

I think the public saw through the nonsense. They made this complex when it didn't have to be at all. For some reason, they decided they wanted a gas tax increase without increasing the price of gasoline. Dumb from the get-go really. But that is what necessitated all the screwing around: to keep the price of gas from going up, they decided to end the sales tax on gasoline as they increased the road tax portion, but since that was general fund revenue, now you have to jump through hoops to replace that revenue. Just increase the damn gas tax. The price of gasoline should go up - making more efficient use of fossil fuels is in the long term interest of the economy and it keeps everything nice and simple.

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This whole charade was a total failure of leadership by our Governor and State Legislature. $10 million spent on something they knew would not pass. Were they really this tone deaf? I am not a person that stresses about taxes. We have to pay them, and I have always understood that. Some people don't think about long term. Why would I be alright with more being spent to improve schools? Maybe because better schools mean fewer criminals down the road. But the taxes we already pay.....where is that money going? Why do they need more? I thought Michigan's economy was turning around. Our road-repair system has been a gravy train for a few contractors and other companies for years and there is no ending in sight for it. Why build a road to last 10 years when we can get paid to rebuild it in 4? Where is our money going now? That's what I really want to know. As far as our so-called leaders, they looked pathetic here. The Governor out there with a hard had shoveling gravel into a pot hole for a photo op is a sad sight. Don't do that. Don't act like you know what it's like to do that job. Don't act like doing that actually fixes anything. The framing of this as just a one-cent sales tax hike was pretty weak too. Sure it is, along with registration fees going up, the gas tax doubling and people actually having to pay more for getting a fuel-efficient vehicle. And keep in mind that this pro-business Governor has banned Tesla from directly selling you a car. So much for free market. If Ford, GM and FCA don't like it, then come up with a better alternative to Tesla. Oh yeah, the Free Market is only great when it benefits you, not anyone else. And this "no backup plan" nonsense can't be real. Sounded like a threat to me. Vote for this or else. You can't tell me there is no contingency plan. What have these *******s been doing? I think that any member of our legislature that was non-committal on this issue should be recalled. You make $90,000 a year - do something. The road contractors and tire shops are jumping for joy today. The rest of us are out $10 million bucks.

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I liked hearing how the announcement was made, even before the polls were closed, that they would be meeting early this morning to work out a solution.

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Tesla, and all other auto manufacturers, were already prohibited from direct sales in Michigan.

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I did not vote. And i don't believe in the "don't vote/don't comlain" mantra. I was not given a valid choice. I am not opposed to paying more to fix the roads. I am opposed to financial shenanigans and dishonesty in what's being presented. I did not want to vote No because i didn't want that to be taken as any kind of sign that I am against raising taxes. None of hte voter guidelines answered key questions. It was confusing and something on the ballot that's confusing is a red flag.

1) How much does Michigan spend on roads?

2) How does that compare to other midwest states?

3) If we should not raise taxes or revenue where does the money to fix the roads come from?

I never once got clear direction on these 3 questions by any proponent/opponent of this measure.

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I did not vote. And i don't believe in the "don't vote/don't comlain" mantra. I was not given a valid choice. I am not opposed to paying more to fix the roads. I am opposed to financial shenanigans and dishonesty in what's being presented. I did not want to vote No because i didn't want that to be taken as any kind of sign that I am against raising taxes. None of hte voter guidelines answered key questions. It was confusing and something on the ballot that's confusing is a red flag.

1) How much does Michigan spend on roads?

2) How does that compare to other midwest states?

3) If we should not raise taxes or revenue where does the money to fix the roads come from?

I never once got clear direction on these 3 questions by any proponent/opponent of this measure.

.....and you never will.

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I didnt' see any of that in the campaign ads....

Why not an ad saying "Indiana spends $X.... Ohio spends $X.... Pennsylvania spends $X... Michigan only spends $X..... We need to spend more...."

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