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Hasnt that always been the rap on drummond? He doesnt have the drive or dedication to be great?

I would like to see a little fire from drummond and less of the "aw shucks" teddy bear persona he gives off. I am beginning to doubt we ever will see it.

I think he just gets tired, he does his best work when he is fresh by quite a bit. I think he also showed some fire last year, having some battles with other players on the court.

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Who Is The Drizzle got me thinking about future cap space. Specifically in regards to Drummond and his extension.

The Pistons might be better off not extending him this summer and letting him hit restricted free agency.

If he signs an extension this summer, it will kick in the second the 2015/16 season ends. I can't remember the exact number, but I know the first year will be over $20M per. That will hurt cap space.

If they don't extend him they will just have to deal with his cap hold, which should be around $10M. Use that extra space to sign a free agent and then give Drummond his max deal.

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He is 21...

Which obviously means he will become a different player than he's ever been. Just like benoit benjamin.

I dont know the man (and neither do you), but he just doesnt seem like the aggressive type. Plenty of time to grow up though.

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Which obviously means he will become a different player than he's ever been. Just like benoit benjamin.

I dont know the man (and neither do you), but he just doesnt seem like the aggressive type. Plenty of time to grow up though.

Benjamin is definitely who I compare AD to right now, but AD seems to have a much better attitude and a slight athletic edge.

But I definitely remember the League just waiting for BB to "happen" similar to how we talk about AD. I do agree that 21 is just way too early to say someone is who they are going to be.

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Hasnt that always been the rap on drummond? He doesnt have the drive or dedication to be great?

I would like to see a little fire from drummond and less of the "aw shucks" teddy bear persona he gives off. I am beginning to doubt we ever will see it.

This will never happen. You can't develop intensity, you either have it or you don't.

That doesn't mean he can't improve as a player, just that we shouldn't expect all out effort from him on a consistent basis.

Luckily, he has such high end physical gifts so he can get away with sleepwalking through portions of the game.

It's a shame that he doesn't have the drive of Ben Wallace for example because he would be an unstoppable force if that was the case.

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This will never happen. You can't develop intensity, you either have it or you don't.

That doesn't mean he can't improve as a player, just that we shouldn't expect all out effort from him on a consistent basis.

Luckily, he has such high end physical gifts so he can get away with sleepwalking through portions of the game.

It's a shame that he doesn't have the drive of Ben Wallace for example because he would be an unstoppable force if that was the case.

"Dirk doesn't have the "clutch" gene. He is soft and will never win. You either have it or you don't."

"Lebron doesn't have the "clutch" gene. He is mentally weak. You either have it or you don't."

Somehow they developed it right? You can absolutely "develop intensity". And quite frankly, a lot of it is situational. Drummond has yet to play in a meaningful NBA game. Do you think his play would change at all if his team was actually competing?

Drummond has accomplished more at his age than Ben did at 21. You don't know what Drummond will become, and just about every 20 year old NBA player has had criticism that they don't put together complete games. That is part of the process young players go through. Wall, Irving, Lillard, etc...all these guys face the same criticism.

Drummond is a historically elite offensive rebounder at the age of 21. You don't accomplish that without working your butt off on the court.

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Also Draymond's agent.

I have no idea if this will impact the Pistons in any way, but it does seem like a big behind the scenes move.

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"Dirk doesn't have the "clutch" gene. He is soft and will never win. You either have it or you don't."

"Lebron doesn't have the "clutch" gene. He is mentally weak. You either have it or you don't."

Somehow they developed it right? You can absolutely "develop intensity". And quite frankly, a lot of it is situational. Drummond has yet to play in a meaningful NBA game. Do you think his play would change at all if his team was actually competing?

Drummond has accomplished more at his age than Ben did at 21. You don't know what Drummond will become, and just about every 20 year old NBA player has had criticism that they don't put together complete games. That is part of the process young players go through. Wall, Irving, Lillard, etc...all these guys face the same criticism.

Drummond is a historically elite offensive rebounder at the age of 21. You don't accomplish that without working your butt off on the court.

There's a difference between having a "clutch" gene and having an "aggressive" gene. I never believed that players are born to be clutch. Most great players hit big shots and other times they don't.

A player can't just develop aggression. You can become a smarter player withe more experience and learn to pick your spots better but if you have a passive personality, chances are that you will always be passive.

Drummond exhausts a lot of effort crashing the offensive glass which is where he gets a lot of his reboinds but is lazy all too often on defense and getting back in transition.

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There's a difference between having a "clutch" gene and having an "aggressive" gene. I never believed that players are born to be clutch. Most great players hit big shots and other times they don't.

A player can't just develop aggression. You can become a smarter player withe more experience and learn to pick your spots better but if you have a passive personality, chances are that you will always be passive.

Drummond exhausts a lot of effort crashing the offensive glass which is where he gets a lot of his reboinds but is lazy all too often on defense and getting back in transition.

Drummond does get tired on the court. This might explain why he is losing weight this off-season. His stamina has improved though. I remember his rookie season he was winded after 10 minutes on the court. Hopefully he continues to work on this and get in better shape so he can play complete games.

So really, you are almost contradicting yourself. You say he is not aggressive, then you say he exhausts himself doing the dirty work on the offensive glass. A large part of rebounding IS aggression. Obviously technique matters, but guys who want the rebound will get the rebound a lot of times. And Drummond gets a LOT of rebounds.

I am realistic about Drummond. I don’t think he will be a great offensive player. I do think he will be an All-Star who is able to produce at/above the level of Tyson Chandler.

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BTW: the “soft” label was attached to guys like Dirk and Pau, and they were able to overcome it and win titles as players who fought hard. Granted, their games were very different from Drummond’s. But the point I am making is that in the right situations, guys can change the ways they are viewed.

At 21, I am very happy with Drummond’s development. I think next season will be a big one for him.

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High-profile NBA agent Arn Tellem joining Palace brass

A person with firsthand knowledge of the Pistons' off-season plans said signing Green is not realistic because they expect the Warriors, playing in the NBA Finals and working for a new arena, to match any offer sheet. The person, not publicly authorized to discuss the team's plans, said that the Pistons do not want to tie up salary cap space for 72 hours – the time allotted the Warriors to match any offer – when more easily obtainable free agents might be available.

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Drummond does get tired on the court. This might explain why he is losing weight this off-season. His stamina has improved though. I remember his rookie season he was winded after 10 minutes on the court. Hopefully he continues to work on this and get in better shape so he can play complete games.

So really, you are almost contradicting yourself. You say he is not aggressive, then you say he exhausts himself doing the dirty work on the offensive glass. A large part of rebounding IS aggression. Obviously technique matters, but guys who want the rebound will get the rebound a lot of times. And Drummond gets a LOT of rebounds.

I am realistic about Drummond. I don’t think he will be a great offensive player. I do think he will be an All-Star who is able to produce at/above the level of Tyson Chandler.

I didn't say that he was NEVER aggressive. I said that his aggression comes and goes.

I do think that a part of it is conditioning as you said but a part of being driven is putting in the effort to get youself in shape so that you are in better condition to handle the rigors of an entire game. He has always had this issue going back to high school. It is a positive that he shed some weight this offseason so we'll see where that takes him.

I'd say that a slightly rich mans' Chandler is a good comparison. Andre has more of an offensive arsenal but it's definitely limited. Very good player to have, just not a franchise player like some pegged him to be.

You never though, he's still awfully young, so there is plenty of room for growth if he so chooses to put in the work.

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Kind of disappointing, but I don’t think Draymond is an elite guy to build around. He is benefiting a lot from playing with an elite defensive player like Bogut and elite offensive players like Curry & Thompson.

Is he worth the max? I think so. But the Pistons would still need another offensive option in addition to Green.

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Ah well. Love Green but never thought it was realistic anyway.

On another note, why would the Warriors leave that amazing arena? Oracle is only 20 years old so I can't imagine that it's too outdated, it seems like the capacity is up to snuff.

You don't see many arenas like that nowadays where the fans are pretty much on top of you, it's a shame that they will be moving out of there.

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Ah well. Love Green but never thought it was realistic anyway.

On another note, why would the Warriors leave that amazing arena? Oracle is only 20 years old so I can't imagine that it's too outdated, it seems like the capacity is up to snuff.

You don't see many arenas like that nowadays where the fans are pretty much on top of you, it's a shame that they will be moving out of there.

I love that style too, like the old Chicago Stadium before the United Center.

But Oracle was built in 1966, so its a bit older than 20 years. It probably doesn't have all the suits like the new places do.

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I didn't say that he was NEVER aggressive. I said that his aggression comes and goes.

I do think that a part of it is conditioning as you said but a part of being driven is putting in the effort to get youself in shape so that you are in better condition to handle the rigors of an entire game. He has always had this issue going back to high school. It is a positive that he shed some weight this offseason so we'll see where that takes him.

I'd say that a slightly rich mans' Chandler is a good comparison. Andre has more of an offensive arsenal but it's definitely limited. Very good player to have, just not a franchise player like some pegged him to be.

You never though, he's still awfully young, so there is plenty of room for growth if he so chooses to put in the work.

I am not sure anyone ever expected him to be anything more than a defensive stopper/rebounding specialist. I think he is well on his way to becoming that. He is already a great rebounder, so the next step is his defense. If he can just develop an effective P & R, he will be a very valuable player for the Pistons.

One more thing to consider- Drummond has not had great coaching. He has gone through multiple average/bad coaches. SVG should bring out the best in Drummond.

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I love that style too, like the old Chicago Stadium before the United Center.

But Oracle was built in 1966, so its a bit older than 20 years. It probably doesn't have all the suits like the new places do.

Aren’t they also planning on moving to San Francisco? I have a feeling that may reduce the “rabid-ness” of the fans a bit when the ticket prices go up more than they already are.

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Aren’t they also planning on moving to San Francisco? I have a feeling that may reduce the “rabid-ness” of the fans a bit when the ticket prices go up more than they already are.

Yeah, and the original design looked like a toilet seat. They have since changed the design though.

Hey, The Golden State Warriors' New Stadium Design Looks Like A Toilet

Thought I fixed the spelling on suites. Oh well.

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I love that style too, like the old Chicago Stadium before the United Center.

But Oracle was built in 1966, so its a bit older than 20 years. It probably doesn't have all the suits like the new places do.

Oh, was it? Damn, didn't realize it was that old.

I just miss these old school arenas and Oracle is such a great throwback arena, but I understand the business aspect of it with needing of more suites and a bigger capacity.

One of my favorite older arenas was the Seattle Center coliseum. The atmosphere in that arena was amazing. Then they moved to Key Arena which killed off a lot of the atmosphere.

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I'm really interested in what Arn could bring to the table as far as bringing players in, if anything at all

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