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Bob Kravitz @bkravitz · 15m 15 minutes ago

Breaking: A league source tells me the NFL is investigating the possibility the Patriots deflated footballs Sunday night. More to come.

Bob Kravitz @bkravitz · 14m 14 minutes ago

I'm told at one point the officials took a ball out of play and weighed it. Should hear more tomorrow on this subject.

Bob Kravitz @bkravitz · 12m 12 minutes ago

Didn't have a chance to talk to colts officials about this. They were long gone when I heard this.

Bob Kravitz @bkravitz · 12m 12 minutes ago

Nobody is suggesting this is why the colts lost obviously. They were manhandled.

Bob Kravitz @bkravitz · 11m 11 minutes ago

Told if a league investigation confirms deflated footballs it will result in lost draft picks. Stay tuned.

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I don't see what weighing a ball is going to prove either.

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I think its like checking the tire pressure on your tires. All balls are checked 2 hours before the game by the officials. Only the Patriots ball boy/girl would have access to the balls after they are checked.

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I don't see what weighing a ball is going to prove either.
I didn't think air weighed anything either

Yes the air has weight, and weighing the ball would tell you how much pressure above atmospheric was in it, if the scale was high enough resolution AND there were not other variables at work that affected the weight more, like the ball being wet - as most of this game was playing in a steady rain.

But concept still seems silly when they could just as easily - easier in fact - measure the pressure in the ball directly with a simple gauge.

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Yes the air has weight, and weighing the ball would tell you how much pressure above atmospheric was in it, if the scale was high enough resolution AND there were not other variables at work that affected the weight more, like the ball being wet - as most of this game was playing in a steady rain.

But concept still seems silly when they could just as easily - easier in fact - measure the pressure in the ball directly with a simple gauge.

I did not know that. Thank you!

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You didn't know air had weight?

All matter has weight.

tsk..tsk.

Your Physics 140 Prof just called to say:

"All matter has mass. Mass will exhibit weight when placed in a gravitational field."

:wink:

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I remember doing this in elementary school.

But I went to a very prestigious public school so we probably did all of the advanced scientific experiments.

Air Pressure Experiments, Does Air Have Weight?

This is actually a hard way to demonstrate the weight of air since there is so little pressure in a balloon that the amount of air displaced by the balloon is almost equal to the amount of air in it, so its buoyancy in the air is almost equal to the weight of the air it contains. So the difference you measure in this experiment is much smaller than the actual weight of the air in the balloon. However, this experiment is about the same as the NFL weighing a football, which is why I noted that I think it is a poor approach.

For those who work with gas cylinders under high pressures, it's a much easier observation. A full scuba tank weighs about 8 lbs more than an empty one. A "5lb" CO2 fire extinguisher weighs - (you guessed it!) 5 lbs more full than empty.

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tsk..tsk.

Your Physics 140 Prof just called to say:

"All matter has mass. Mass will exhibit weight when placed in a gravitational field."

:wink:

I know.

Just didn't want to get into a mass / weight discussion.

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I remember doing this in elementary school.

But I went to a very prestigious public school so we probably did all of the advanced scientific experiments.

Air Pressure Experiments, Does Air Have Weight?

I went to a ****ty public school, never did the experiments, but were taught all matter has mass -> weight (I see you, G2 :wink:)

Some guy named Newton had some laws of physics that were taught there as well. Not sure if the rest of you heard of him. He was kind of a big deal.

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I know.

Just didn't want to get into a mass / weight discussion.

You mean you think Walt and I are bad enough with this stuff already? :laugh:

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NFL says New England Patriots had under-inflated footballs in AFC championship game - ESPN Boston

The NFL has found that 11 of 12 of the New England Patriots game balls were inflated significantly less than the NFL requires, league sources involved and familiar with the investigation of Sunday's AFC championship game told ESPN.

I feel vindicated for starting this thread right out of the blocks. This should result in major penalties against the Patriots. I think the NFL should take away a home game of theirs, which would hurt as much as draft picks. Especially if they are scheduled to host Indy next year. They have to be punished as multiple cheaters. They have damaged the integrity of the game.

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NFL says New England Patriots had under-inflated footballs in AFC championship game - ESPN Boston

I feel vindicated for starting this thread right out of the blocks. This should result in major penalties against the Patriots. I think the NFL should take away a home game of theirs, which would hurt as much as draft picks. Especially if they are scheduled to host Indy next year. They have to be punished as multiple cheaters. They have damaged the integrity of the game.

I agree but the punishment should be more tough

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NFL says New England Patriots had under-inflated footballs in AFC championship game - ESPN Boston

I feel vindicated for starting this thread right out of the blocks. This should result in major penalties against the Patriots. I think the NFL should take away a home game of theirs, which would hurt as much as draft picks. Especially if they are scheduled to host Indy next year. They have to be punished as multiple cheaters. They have damaged the integrity of the game.

Bizarre to say the least. I guess it's easy enough to see the advantage of a soft ball for runners and receivers, but you'd think it would be counterproductive to have your QB using balls that felt different than what he was conditioned to - unless the plan was deep enough that Brady had practiced with under inflated footballs.

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Bizarre to say the least. I guess it's easy enough to see the advantage of a soft ball for runners and receivers, but you'd think it would be counterproductive to have your QB using balls that felt different than what he was conditioned to - unless the plan was deep enough that Brady had practiced with under inflated footballs.

There are quotes out there about him preferring an under-inflated football for throwing.

I know the NFL won't void the win over the Colts because that would be like an actual punishment for cheating. It also won't ban Belichek or any other person in the Patriots organization like Kennesaw Mountain Landis might because that's so 20th Century. Not to mention the fact that a bunch of windy New England writers would spend the next 200 years vindicating them like some have done for the 1919 White Sox.

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I am assuming each team has 12 balls? Is that how it works? They are kept separate by the ball boys on the side lines they are always throwing the ball to?

Why not have everybody play with the same footballs?

I never knew they kept them separate.

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Why not have everybody play with the same footballs?

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that is a good question. It would make a lot of sense. If both teams had to use the same ball this wouldn't be an issue of advantage.

But, the manufacturers have come up with a whole series of different grain patterns for the ball and the league lets each team (QB really) play with the one they like best. I don't know how long they have been allowing this, but it has been a good number of years now.

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that is a good question. It would make a lot of sense. If both teams had to use the same ball this wouldn't be an issue of advantage.

But, the manufacturers have come up with a whole series of different grain patterns for the ball and the league lets each team (QB really) play with the one they like best. I don't know how long they have been allowing this, but it has been a good number of years now.

I never knew this until today and I have been watching football for for 24 years. I get the 'why', I guess. Money for the mnf of the footballs, but they should just make one type ball and they all use the same one.

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Hard to gauge the right level of outrage over the pass interference selectivity and over this. If the NFL is pro wrestling then...whatever. If its supposed to have unscripted outcomes well that might be different. It would be good if there was an independent commissioner to ensure that the league was on the up and up.

that is, if it is on the up and up.

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