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Hunter, as a fourth outfielder or DH if Victor signs elsewhere might be appealing. If he signs, knowing he'll be a bench player, it may not be all that bad. The Tiger's bench players were horribly weak this past year. Thoughts?

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Wait until February. If your roster is still in need of Hunter, you offer one year at the league minimum.

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Also, it isn't just about pay. He may not be willing to accept a DH/backup role. In fact, I seriously doubt he would, unless it's March and he's still unsigned.

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Not interested in Hunter for any money. His skills have declined rapidly and he'll be 40. Fun personality and a great interview but no thanks.

I expressed a similar opinion on Facebook with a friend of mine who loves Nickleback, Pop Evil and other similar cookie cutter pop entertainment and his reply was "Torii Hunter is clutch though!".

I have no interest in furthering that conversation.

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That's what happens when you have a broadcast booth that consistently lies about things like that.

In fact, Torii was the opposite of clutch.

Nobody on: .833 OPS

Men on: .675

RISP: .694

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In fact, Torii was the opposite of clutch.

Nobody on: .833 OPS

Men on: .675

RISP: .694

I don't think those three numbers by themselves are enough to define clutch hitting. You need more context. Things like the score and the inning would be factors. Certainly, a solo game-winning home run would be a clutch hit, no?

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yeah but he hit that HR against the A's back in 2013 to avoid a 4 game sweep so that's all anybody is supposed to remember...

but yeah, spot on observation about the broadcast booth's influence on casual fan perception. I can just hear Rod now: "There's no one better than Torii when it really matters." He says that a lot. He won't say they are the best just that "no on is better". "You will not find a better 3B coach than Gene Lamont...."

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Torii Hunter's OPS in 2014 by situation:

2 out, RISP......0.699

Late & Close....0.779

Tie Game........0.686

Within 1 Run....0.667

Within 2 Runs...0.699

Within 3 Runs...0.724

Within 4 Runs...0.723

> 4 Runs.........1.012

He clearly was clutch when the Tigers are up or down by more than 5 runs.

Edited by Mr. Bigglesworth

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According to this stat, Hunter was the worst clutch hitter on the team this year:

Detroit Tigers Leaderboards » 2014 » Batters » Win Probability Statistics | FanGraphs Baseball

It doesn't really matter though. You can't sign a guy based on clutchness, because can't predict who is going to be clutch from year to year. You need to put the best hitters/fielders out there regardless of clutch. You can only hope that they come through at the right times.

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Torii Hunter's OPS in 2014 by situation:

2 out, RISP......0.699

Late & Close....0.779

Tie Game........0.686

Within 1 Run....0.667

Within 2 Runs...0.699

Within 3 Runs...0.724

Within 4 Runs...0.723

> 4 Runs.........1.012

He clearly is clutch when the Tigers are up or down by more than 5 runs.

Yes, this is the type of context I had in mind. Ask and ye shall receive.

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I don't think those three numbers by themselves are enough to define clutch hitting. You need more context. Things like the score and the inning would be factors. Certainly, a solo game-winning home run would be a clutch hit, no?

Anything else is way too small of a sample size.

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According to this stat, Hunter was the worst clutch hitter on the team this year:

Detroit Tigers Leaderboards » 2014 » Batters » Win Probability Statistics | FanGraphs Baseball

It doesn't really matter though. You can't sign a guy based on clutchness, because can't predict who is going to be clutch from year to year. You need to put the best hitters/fielders out there regardless of clutch. You can only hope that they come through at the right times.

This.

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Anything else is way too small of a sample size.

Remember that time that Munson hit that walk off home run to dead center? Clutch.

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A career .799 OPS player who OPS'd .799 in 2013 and fell off slightly last year at .765 and drove in 83 and everyone wants to run him out of town? Even for 5-6 mil? Avila is going to make 5+ this year.

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A career .799 OPS player who OPS'd .799 in 2013 and fell off slightly last year at .765 and drove in 83 and everyone wants to run him out of town? Even for 5-6 mil? Avila is going to make 5+ this year.

He's a terrible outfielder and likely won't DH. He also likely won't accept a backup role. Acknowledging that he'd probably be a better fit for another team isn't running him out of town.

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Is not re-signing a free agent the same as running him out of town?

And is it a given he would sign for $5 or $6 M? Can he play catcher like Alex Avila? If so, I guess I am interested.

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A career .799 OPS player who OPS'd .799 in 2013 and fell off slightly last year at .765 and drove in 83 and everyone wants to run him out of town? Even for 5-6 mil? Avila is going to make 5+ this year.

Avila is worth 5-6 million because of his defense which is the primary function of a catcher. Hunter's poor defense erases most of his value. Hunter would be OK as a DH/ back-up outfielder if they can't sign Martinez, but signing him shouldn't be a priority

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He's a terrible outfielder and likely won't DH. He also likely won't accept a backup role. Acknowledging that he'd probably be a better fit for another team isn't running him out of town.

So people are not trying to run him out of town they are simply saying he is better for a different team? Since when do we give a crap about what is better for other teams?

If I knew who they were going to replace him with if they let him walk would of course make this exercise easier. Not knowing scares me into thinking the replacement will be less than what we have. Torii is no gold glover anymore, he is in fact below average with his defense, but he can still hit pretty well.

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Avila is worth 5-6 million because of his defense which is the primary function of a catcher. Hunter's poor defense erases most of his value. Hunter would be OK as a DH/ back-up outfielder if they can't sign Martinez, but signing him shouldn't be a priority

Who on this list would get about 5-6 mil a year that would be a better option?

Outfielders

Norichika Aoki

Emilio Bonifacio

Melky Cabrera

Nelson Cruz

Michael Cuddyer

Chris Denorfia

Jeff Francoeur

Jonny Gomes

Franklin Gutierrez

Tony Gwynn Jr.

Scott Hairston

Torii Hunter

Raul Ibanez

Reed Johnson

Ryan Lukwick *

Nick Markakis *

Darnell McDonald

Mike Morse

Colby Rasmus

Alex Rios *

Nate Schierholtz

Grady Sizemore

Seth Smith

Alfonso Soriano

Denard Span *

Ichiro Suzuki

Ryan Sweeney

Josh Willingham

Chris Young

Delmon Young

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If I knew who they were going to replace him with if they let him walk would of course make this exercise easier. Not knowing scares me into thinking the replacement will be less than what we have.

Advocating signing someone because one doesn't know who the replacement will be isn't a terribly compelling argument.

Edited by Mr. Bigglesworth

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