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Love prospect talk.

Here's a couple top specs.

Mrazek - GR

Pulkkinen - GR

Mantha - GR (injured)

Larkin - College Hockey

Ouellet - GR

Janmark - Overseas

Sproul - GR

Marchenko - GR

Holmstrom - Overseas

Jensen - GR

AA - GR

Jackman - GR

Nosek - GR

Bertuzzi - CHL

Turgeron - CHL

Zach Attack - CHL

Paterson - CHL

Frk - GR

Almquist* - Overseas

Potential to play for WJC are Larkin, Turgeron, Bertuzzi, Holmstrom and Zack Attack.

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I think they would have to pass Jurco through waivers (not totally sure about that, though). I think Pulk needs to be on the big club. They could use him on the power play right now.

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I think they would have to pass Jurco through waivers (not totally sure about that, though). I think Pulk needs to be on the big club. They could use him on the power play right now.

Jurco does not need to pass waivers.

Pulkkinen struggled getting his shot off in the big level. I think it's worth a shot if it continues though.

Nosek could possibly play at the NHL level right now

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How good is the wings farm system? I saw them ranked in the top five on at least one site.

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How good is the wings farm system? I saw them ranked in the top five on at least one site.

HF is the only site I know of off hand that has rankings and the Wings were third in 13/14: NHL Team Rankings - Hockey's Future

5 days ago they did updated rankings and the Wings moved down to 4:

4. (3) Detroit Red Wings

Strengths: The Detroit Red Wings are the model franchise for how a healthy farm system keeps the parent club competitive in the NHL. Each position is well stocked and boasts at least one quality player. The forwards in particular are strong due to their versatility and a combination of high-end skill and hockey sense. Anthony Mantha, Tomas Jurco, Dylan Larkin, and Teemu Pulkkinen all project to become difference makers. Speed has also become an underrated characteristic in the system. The blue line still boasts good all-around talent led by near-ready products Alexey Marchenko, Ryan Sproul, and Xavier Ouellet.

Weaknesses: The Red Wings have never been known for their physicality and that reflects in their system with a lack of sizable forwards. Behind Petr Mrazek, the goaltending depth is suspect.

Top 5 Prospects: 1. Anthony Mantha, RW; 2. Petr Mrazek, G; 3. Tomas Jurco, RW; 4. Dylan Larkin, LW; 5. Xavier Ouellet, D.

Key Additions: Dylan Larkin (2014), Dominic Turgeon (2014), Tomas Nosek (free agent), Joe Hicketts (free agent)

Key Losses: Riley Sheahan (graduated)

I'm personally pretty bullish on their system. They have a couple guys in Mantha and Pulkkinen who appear like they could be scorers in the NHL. They added Larkin this past draft who has a ton of speed and I've read he is a great all around athlete. Bertuzzi looks like a good find if he can maintain his jump in offense while still being a hitter/pest. They seem to have a bunch of promising defensemen, but I'm not sure if any of them are a number one type guy. Also Nosek looks like a good FA addition (well when he wasn't injured) and Hicketts is going nuts this season despite being small (fourth in WHL scoring, leading all defenseman with 29 points in 22 games.). They should be able to fill out their bottom six forwards and a few of the top six spots with their current system and hopefully get a few 2-6 level defensemen.

edit: looks like we'll get another look at XO

Ansar Khan ‏@AnsarKhanMLive 1m1 minute ago

Wings have recalled defenseman Xavier Ouellet from Grand Rapids with Brendan Smith going on short-term IR with infected hand.

Edited by drownwithyou

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System is really good. I don't find the goaltending depth top bad.

Mrazek is an elite spec. Goalies take longer. McCollum has been really good for two years now. He's only 23 or so. Paterson is pkqy, and Comeau eh.

Defense depth is pretty good. You got five players who could crack the NHL in Ouellet, Sproul, Marchenko, Backman and Jensen.

Center is an issue but Detroit drafted like 6 centers in this years draft. Some interesting picks. Larkin has a high end #2C potential (possibly more). Turgeron may crack the WJC. I expect many to switch positions though. AA2 has been playing there. Top five scorer in the O and ..75 PPG first year pro.

Some great wingers.

Jurco*

Pulkkinen (PPG in A)

Mantha (elite spec)

Bertuzzi (gaining steam)

Callahan/Ferraro (eh fourth line potential)

Nasty

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Red Wings Central was a good source of prospects news until stopping this fall.

Red Wings Central

I think there's a difference between farm system and under-25 talent. The Wings' farm system is stronger than most but at least part of that is due to other teams putting their prospects in the NHL at a younger age.

For example, Detroit's farm system is ranked higher than Edmonton's but the Oilers have more under-25 talent than the Wings if you include players already in the NHL.

Many people refer to Nyquist as one of the "kids" but he is 25 years old, practically entering his prime, less than a year younger than Patrick Kane and only a year and a half younger than Claude Giroux.

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I mean those two were first round picks. Nyquist just hit 100 games. He's still a kid. Kane is a veteran based on GP really. Fact isnDetroit doesn't draft high and development takes longer based on where they pick.

In the NHL we have Dekeyser, Jurco, Tatar, Nyquist, and Sheahan, all under 25. Hell, Glendening looks super valuable.

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Unless I'm reading the rosters wrong on their websites, the Red Wings and Oilers both have the same amount of players aged 24 and younger (7). That does include Nestrasil and Mrazek though. The Wings also have four 25 year olds while the Oilers have two if you want to include those.

edit: I don't disagree with your premise overall, but I think Detroit's NHL roster still boasts plenty of young talent as well, enough that they probably don't slip too far when you include the NHL roster "prospects". They just haven't been in the position to draft NHL ready teenagers over the years.

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I am thrilled with what the Wings have done in drafting and developing, especially without really high picks. So people who think the Wings are likely to start missing the playoffs or even are going to be a lottery team once Dats and Z retire have not been paying attention. Last year was probably the Wings' bottom, IMO. Just saying that if it were decided that let's say in the 2015-16 season you could only use players anywhere in your organization currently 25 or younger, I'd guess the Wings would finish around 10th in the league - which isn't bad, by the way.

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My biggest concern with the Wings prospect pool is what happens when Kenny gets desperate again and tries to trade a couple of our best for an above-average defensemen ala the Bouwmeester deal.

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BTW.....I can't wait until Calle Jarnkrok starts producing for the Preds. He's been quite thus far with only 3pts. but when he heats up, Holland will look like as much of a jack*** for making that trade as Dombrowski did with the Fister deal.

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BTW.....I can't wait until Calle Jarnkrok starts producing for the Preds. He's been quite thus far with only 3pts. but when he heats up, Holland will look like as much of a jack*** for making that trade as Dombrowski did with the Fister deal.

Yeah, after still having all that egg on his face from letting go of Leino and Brunner, the fallout from Jarnkrok's career trajectory will be a third strike that proves fatal to Holland's career.

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My biggest concern with the Wings prospect pool is what happens when Kenny gets desperate again and tries to trade a couple of our best for an above-average defensemen ala the Bouwmeester deal.

Remind me again why we all hate Holland this week. Is it because he does nothing at the trade deadline and in free agent week? Or is it because he makes or tries desperate moves at the trade deadline? I can't keep track.

By the way, some stats for the season to date:

Matt Niskanen, 18 GP 0G 5A 5PTS -4 (vs 0.5 pts/game, +33 last year)

Dan Boyle, 5 GP

Christian Ehroff, 17 GP, 0G 5A 5PTS

And yes, I too wanted any of Ehroff-Boyle-Niskanen and still wish we had landed one, injuries happen, the season is less than 1/4 old, and points stats are hardly the only way to evaluate the play of defensemen (e.g, Quincey's generally solid play with but one lone assist). But things don't always turn out the way one expects.

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My biggest concern with the Wings prospect pool is what happens when Kenny gets desperate again and tries to trade a couple of our best for an above-average defensemen ala the Bouwmeester deal.

Jay Bouwmeester trade was what, 18th(Mantha), Sheahan plus something. To say he's an average defenseman is laughable however. Top twenty defenseman.

BTW.....I can't wait until Calle Jarnkrok starts producing for the Preds. He's been quite thus far with only 3pts. but when he heats up, Holland will look like as much of a jack*** for making that trade as Dombrowski did with the Fister deal.

Hated trade. Hollands been good with this sort of thing though. Kinda remember some outrage of dealing Matthias... Who is a career fourth liner.. Not sure what to expect from Jarnkrok. Could go either way.

Yeah, after still having all that egg on his face from letting go of Leino and Brunner, the fallout from Jarnkrok's career trajectory will be a third strike that proves fatal to Holland's career.

Detroit offered the same deal as NJ. Not sure if Tats gets the chance if Brunner is still there. I'm fine with him gone. Leibo, lol. Soft and lazy in DET. Did nothing...and I was a fan.

I getcha sarcasm doe

Remind me again why we all hate Holland this week. Is it because he does nothing at the trade deadline and in free agent week? Or is it because he makes or tries desperate moves at the trade deadline? I can't keep track.

By the way, some stats for the season to date:

Matt Niskanen, 18 GP 0G 5A 5PTS -4 (vs 0.5 pts/game, +33 last year)

Dan Boyle, 5 GP

Christian Ehroff, 17 GP, 0G 5A 5PTS

And yes, I too wanted any of Ehroff-Boyle-Niskanen and still wish we had landed one, injuries happen, the season is less than 1/4 old, and points stats are hardly the only way to evaluate the play of defensemen (e.g, Quincey's generally solid play with but one lone assist). But things don't always turn out the way one expects.

Great post. I see some bitching about not getting Hoff... He's been ahit in PIT. Holland went after Boyle (offering more) and tried Stralman...who's been great.

Holland is a elite GM. People don't realize this.

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BTW.....I can't wait until Calle Jarnkrok starts producing for the Preds. He's been quite thus far with only 3pts. but when he heats up, Holland will look like as much of a jack*** for making that trade as Dombrowski did with the Fister deal.

Well he does look like a superstar so far.

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