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The point I was making is that the Tigers system is down, but they are down for many reasons. Losing first round picks that were spent on FA's really hurt, so that's what they have to live with. The new CBA has changed the landscape for the Tigers. They made a living off of drafting low but spending more than most teams, which led to good players like Porcello falling into their lap. Also, every year it seems like they are trading away top prospects, which is thinning out the system further. In the next few years, though; it looks like they'll be able to make some strides, since they might gain multiple comp picks which will help rebuild the farm.

Understand that. It was just an offhand way of saying that Moya is high ceiling guy but still along way from a sure thing so if he is your best, it's not like there is much in the system we should be expecting to impact Detroit very soon.

But I'm more or less on board with the DD strategy, which is that MiLB exists for the sake of MLB and winning in the minors is not the point. As long as your MLB club is willing to spend enough that your your whole team does not have to be pre-FA guys, you don't need enough MiLB players coming up every year to make a team. You can trade prospects and run the system pretty much just like Dave does and it works overall.

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I know Jose plays some solid Defense at SS (when healthy) but would it be fair to say Suarez has more upside as a hitter?

um.....yes

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depending on what happens with Scherzer, we may need to move Kinsler and his $15MM contract. If that has to happen, we will likely seem a mix of Iglesias, Suarez, Travis and/or Perez handling 2B/SS.

Another scenario would be to move Kinsler to 3B, Castellanos to LF, requiring the above four to still be in the mix for 2B/SS. This assumes that Hunter doesn't come back and JD Martinez falls back to earth.

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depending on what happens with Scherzer, we may need to move Kinsler and his $15MM contract. If that has to happen, we will likely seem a mix of Iglesias, Suarez, Travis and/or Perez handling 2B/SS.

Another scenario would be to move Kinsler to 3B, Castellanos to LF, requiring the above four to still be in the mix for 2B/SS. This assumes that Hunter doesn't come back and JD Martinez falls back to earth.

Lynn Henning, is that you??

I can't imagine we'd trade Moya for Andrew Miller. Seems like far too high a price to pay for a lefty specialist. Greater likelihood that we trade lower-level guys or go after someone a little less costly, IMO.

As for the Kinsler trade scenarios, I just can't see any reason to do that unless we decide we're breaking up the team. He's been the catalyst for our offense most of the year and has played great D too.

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Henning has a good piece up now on Moya. Quotes from Al Avila:

“The only thing I’ve heard about Moya,” Avila said, speaking of naysayers, “is his strikeouts. I hear very little about his tremendous power, his record pace for homers and RBIs, his stolen bases, or the fact he’s a great outfielder who can play anywhere out there. Or, about his arm.

“For sure, he needs to get better at the other stuff (strikeouts, walks, pitch judgment), and even more so in the near future, I think that’s coming for him. He has some trouble facing left-hand pitching, but that’s not exclusive to him. That’s part of the history of baseball and plenty of established stars have had challenges there.

“But we work with the physical, and mental, ability of prospects, and with their ability to learn and to retain. And a third thing: It’s that desire, that fortitude, that they’re not going to quit.

“Baseball can beat you down when things are not going well,” Avila said. “You’ve got to keep on going, not quit. All of that put together is how we define and evaluate a player. And Moya is a perfect example of that process.”

From The Detroit News: Underrated Steven Moya showing he's destined for stardom | The Detroit News

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Lynn Henning, is that you??

I can't imagine we'd trade Moya for Andrew Miller. Seems like far too high a price to pay for a lefty specialist. Greater likelihood that we trade lower-level guys or go after someone a little less costly, IMO.

As for the Kinsler trade scenarios, I just can't see any reason to do that unless we decide we're breaking up the team. He's been the catalyst for our offense most of the year and has played great D too.

Yeah, I don't see Kinsler going anywhere at least for another year. They aren't going to go with three kids in the infield and Kinsler is too important of a player to trade anyway. See, we can agree on stuff!

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Perez not in Hens lineup today - Just a day off or more?

He's "just a guy" right now.

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Perez not in Hens lineup today - Just a day off or more?

He's hitting .197 in last 10 games, so I'd guess just a day off.

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Lynn Henning said that Joey Pankake has a "syrup-smooth swing"...

Yep, he went there...

Tigers minor league report: Robbie Ray sees turnaround after switch in repertoire | The Detroit News

Single A Connecticut

Who’s hot …

Joey Pankake, 3B: .424 in his last 10 games, with an 1.101 OPS, which is why the Tigers grabbed him from the University of South Carolina in June’s draft (seventh round). Pankake is 6-2, 185, bats right-handed and is renowned for his syrup-smooth swing.

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I hope that guy pans out.

i'm sort of waffling about whether he'll make a good batter or not.

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If we win a World Series for Ilitch, it would not be surprising to see some big contracts shed, i.e., Scherzer, Kinsler and Hunter. Not a fire sale, but an effort to get payroll in line with a market the size of Detroit and inject some youth and actually set the team up for sustainable success in a very bad division.

Not worried about the K's with Moya, but the lack of walks is troubling. Without better plate discipline, he would get exposed by major league pitchers. Still time to address this in the minors this year and next, but odds are against a significant improvement. Hope he does, though, because our outfield could be in flux very quickly with Jackson's impending free agency (and not worthy of an extension based on his inconsistency), Hunter's declining skills and concern whether JD is for real.

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i'm sort of waffling about whether he'll make a good batter or not.

Hopefully, he doesn't fall flat.

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If we win a World Series for Ilitch, it would not be surprising to see some big contracts shed, i.e., Scherzer, Kinsler and Hunter. Not a fire sale, but an effort to get payroll in line with a market the size of Detroit and inject some youth and actually set the team up for sustainable success in a very bad division.

Not worried about the K's with Moya, but the lack of walks is troubling. Without better plate discipline, he would get exposed by major league pitchers. Still time to address this in the minors this year and next, but odds are against a significant improvement. Hope he does, though, because our outfield could be in flux very quickly with Jackson's impending free agency (and not worthy of an extension based on his inconsistency), Hunter's declining skills and concern whether JD is for real.

Moya will not walk given the opportunity to swing, never will! Engrave it in stone or erect a billboard with strobe lights.

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Lynn Henning, is that you??

I can't imagine we'd trade Moya for Andrew Miller. Seems like far too high a price to pay for a lefty specialist. Greater likelihood that we trade lower-level guys or go after someone a little less costly, IMO.

As for the Kinsler trade scenarios, I just can't see any reason to do that unless we decide we're breaking up the team. He's been the catalyst for our offense most of the year and has played great D too.

We lost on Miller once. Do not repeat. Great skills and no team rapport.

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We lost on Miller once. Do not repeat. Great skills and no team rapport.

I recall that I asked you about Jacob Turner once because his pictures made him seem sorta stand-offish. I recall your take at the time was that Turner was just a younger guy not wanting to impose himself on the big kids. Miller is seen as a me-first guy or does he borrow soap and not return it?

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We lost on Miller once. Do not repeat. Great skills and no team rapport.

I don't know what "team rapport" means or how anyone could know how he behaves now, but he's turned himself into a very useful relief pitcher. He may have been a jerk in 2006 (I never observed this, he was just quiet and kept to himself) but that has nothing to do with 2014, IMO.

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I recall that I asked you about Jacob Turner once because his pictures made him seem sorta stand-offish. I recall your take at the time was that Turner was just a younger guy not wanting to impose himself on the big kids. Miller is seen as a me-first guy or does he borrow soap and not return it?

He was a quiet guy that didn't say hi to everyone and didn't sign a lot of autographs. This tends to rub the locals the wrong way. I don't recall him ever being mean to anyone or causing problems in the clubhouse, but maybe Roger remembers differently. I never really listened to the gossip anyhow.

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I would expect most of the top prospects at Lakeland to be a bit standoffish during their time there. They aren't there to win games. They are there to home their skills and do what they need to do to get called up. The more pedestrian guys are more likely to buy into the team mentality, IMO.

I think that might change once you get to Erie or Toledo, where the competition is better and you are less of a standout, competitively and personally. There are a lot more veterans at those stops that can motivate guys to get in line.

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He was a quiet guy that didn't say hi to everyone and didn't sign a lot of autographs. This tends to rub the locals the wrong way. I don't recall him ever being mean to anyone or causing problems in the clubhouse, but maybe Roger remembers differently. I never really listened to the gossip anyhow.

There are some people who just aren't worth the time.

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I heard that Miller bought his own peanut butter knife and wouldn't let others use it.

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