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I know this isn't science - but I'll start giving more credence to those foisting this tripe on the people when they start walking the walk.

Nothing says concern over global warming and water usage like a 3 acre spread in the desert with pools, a putting green and lots of green lawns.

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Rancho Mirage May Become Home to President Obama - Desert Guide - July 2014 - Palm Springs, California

Are the Obamas buying a home in Rancho Mirage? - LA Times

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When Richard G. Hendrickson (seen at right) logged his first weather observation for the U.S. Weather Bureau, the precursor to NOAA’s National Weather Service, Herbert Hoover occupied the White House. Since then the Bridgehampton, New York, farmer has filed twice daily reports, tallying more than 150,000 individual weather observations – playing a critical role in building our nation’s climate history.

And once again they cool the past and warm the present rather than use actual data:

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I wonder how this dedicated weather observer feels about having his readings adjusted by NCDC? | Watts Up With That?

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Now this makes some sense to me.....

New paper finds 23% of warming in Europe since 1980 due to clean air laws reducing sulfur dioxide

A paper published today in Geophysical Research Letters finds that clean air laws which greatly reduced sulfur dioxide emissions explain 81% of the "brightening" of sunshine and 23% of the surface warming in Europe since 1980. However, the authors note "this phenomenon is however hardly reproduced by global and regional climate models."

THE HOCKEY SCHTICK: New paper finds 23% of warming in Europe since 1980 due to clean air laws reducing sulfur dioxide

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Or is it just that aerosol generation in the post war period is what was masking the underlying global warming effect that started with the increased burning of coal?

We could always go back to emitting all that S02 and we wouldn't have to worry about warming the planet because we would poison to death before it got a chance to get hot.

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We could always go back to emitting all that S02 and we wouldn't have to worry about warming the planet because we would poison to death before it got a chance to get hot.

So it would debunk AGW once and for all? Hmmmmmmmm...... ;-)

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120 degrees in Algeria today!
It's a friggin desert man! It's supposed to be hot! It was 73 at noon in Lakeland Florida. :laugh:

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It's a friggin desert man! It's supposed to be hot! It was 73 at noon in Lakeland Florida. :laugh:

Do you have any idea where the largest desert in the world is located? :glasses:

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Do you have any idea where the largest desert in the world is located? :glasses:

The American West - vast chunks of about 10 states.

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The American West - vast chunks of about 10 states.

Lol.

Edit: That is the 9th largest.

Edited by Walt

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"a few years" of flat temperatures - ok, 17 years is a few in his world.

"93% of warming goes into the oceans" - debunked repeatedly.

THE HOCKEY SCHTICK: Why the IPCC exaggerates greenhouse warming of the oceans by at least 2.5 times

So landing on Mars makes you a climate expert? Yeah that's schooling someone.

And the Mars candy company is cited? If a conservative did that, HuffPo would be scoffing.

Ah, and then poll people under 35 for the answer? Yeah, there's some sound science.

Maybe someday people will really know who "schooled" who - like these people that seem pretty prescient about now.

Colorado State University’s Dr. Bill Gray precisely forecast the climate nearly a decade ago.

06/05/2006

The only inconvenient truth about global warming, contends Colorado State University’s Bill Gray, is that a genuine debate has never actually taken place. Hundreds of scientists, many of them prominent in the field, agree.

“They’ve been brainwashing us for 20 years,” Gray says. “Starting with the nuclear winter and now with the global warming. This scare will also run its course. In 15-20 years, we’ll look back and see what a hoax this was.”

My belief is that three, four years from now, the globe will start to cool again, as it did from the middle ’40s to the middle ’70s.”

Shock News : Some Climate Scientists Are Actually Competent | Real Science

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"a few years" of flat temperatures - ok, 17 years is a few in his world.

"93% of warming goes into the oceans" - debunked repeatedly.

THE HOCKEY SCHTICK: Why the IPCC exaggerates greenhouse warming of the oceans by at least 2.5 times

So landing on Mars makes you a climate expert? Yeah that's schooling someone.

And the Mars candy company is cited? If a conservative did that, HuffPo would be scoffing.

Ah, and then poll people under 35 for the answer? Yeah, there's some sound science.

Maybe someday people will really know who "schooled" who - like these people that seem pretty prescient about now.

Shock News : Some Climate Scientists Are Actually Competent | Real Science

If only the vast majority of the scientific community could see things as clearly...

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If only the vast majority of the scientific community could see things as clearly...

Hell yes, but why bother? We can just poll Republicans under 35 about any science question. According to the Honorable Senator from Rhode Island that's conclusive.

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Hell yes, but why bother? We can just poll Republicans under 35 about any science question. According to the Honorable Senator from Rhode Island that's conclusive.

What's your beef with the under 35 poll? They are the up and coming people who will make decisions and continue to vote for new policy makers. Old people have difficulty accepting change, like your famed Dr. Gray from Colorado.

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What's your beef with the under 35 poll? They are the up and coming people who will make decisions and continue to vote for new policy makers. Old people have difficulty accepting change, like your famed Dr. Gray from Colorado.

Older people aren't nearly as likely to fall for the latest BS either. e.g. Electing a President with no experience running anything and expecting it to turn out well.

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Older people aren't nearly as likely to fall for the latest BS either. e.g. Electing a President with no experience running anything and expecting it to turn out well.

Haha, dude you are killing it today.

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Older people aren't nearly as likely to fall for the latest BS either.

Old people will also be dead and gone when the **** really hits the fan from a climate perspective... it's my generation that gets to inherit the world that they created.

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Old people will also be dead and gone when the **** really hits the fan from a climate perspective... it's my generation that gets to inherit the world that they created.

Yeah, that horrible warmer world like the MWP?

Then again, this could be just another news cycle?

For at least 120 years, climate “scientists” have been claiming that the climate was going to kill us…but they have kept switching whether it was a coming ice age, or global warming.

1895 - Geologists Think the World May Be Frozen Up Again – New York Times, February 1895

1902 - “Disappearing Glaciers…deteriorating slowly, with a persistency that means their final annihilation…scientific fact…surely disappearing.” – Los Angeles Times

1912 - Prof. Schmidt Warns Us of an Encroaching Ice Age – New York Times, October 1912

1923 - “Scientist says Arctic ice will wipe out Canada” – Professor Gregory of Yale University, American representative to the Pan-Pacific Science Congress, – Chicago Tribune

1923 - “The discoveries of changes in the sun’s heat and the southward advance of glaciers in recent years have given rise to conjectures of the possible advent of a new ice age” – Washington Post

1924 - MacMillan Reports Signs of New Ice Age – New York Times, Sept 18, 1924

1929 - “Most geologists think the world is growing warmer, and that it will continue to get warmer” – Los Angeles Times, in Is another ice age coming?

1932 - “If these things be true, it is evident, therefore that we must be just teetering on an ice age” – The Atlantic magazine, This Cold, Cold World

1933 - America in Longest Warm Spell Since 1776; Temperature Line Records a 25-Year Rise – New York Times, March 27th, 1933

1933 – “…wide-spread and persistent tendency toward warmer weather…Is our climate changing?” – Federal Weather Bureau “Monthly Weather Review.”

1938 - Global warming, caused by man heating the planet with carbon dioxide, “is likely to prove beneficial to mankind in several ways, besides the provision of heat and power.”– Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society

1938 - “Experts puzzle over 20 year mercury rise…Chicago is in the front rank of thousands of cities thuout the world which have been affected by a mysterious trend toward warmer climate in the last two decades” – Chicago Tribune

1939 - “Gaffers who claim that winters were harder when they were boys are quite right… weather men have no doubt that the world at least for the time being is growing warmer” – Washington Post

1952 - “…we have learned that the world has been getting warmer in the last half century” – New York Times, August 10th, 1962

1954 - “…winters are getting milder, summers drier. Glaciers are receding, deserts growing” – U.S. News and World Report

1954 - Climate – the Heat May Be Off – Fortune Magazine

1959 - “Arctic Findings in Particular Support Theory of Rising Global Temperatures” – New York Times

1969 - “…the Arctic pack ice is thinning and that the ocean at the North Pole may become an open sea within a decade or two” – New York Times, February 20th, 1969

1969 – “If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000″ — Paul Ehrlich (while he now predicts doom from global warming, this quote only gets honorable mention, as he was talking about his crazy fear of overpopulation)

1970 - “…get a good grip on your long johns, cold weather haters – the worst may be yet to come…there’s no relief in sight” – Washington Post

1974 - Global cooling for the past forty years – Time Magazine

1974 - “Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age” – Washington Post

1974 - “As for the present cooling trend a number of leading climatologists have concluded that it is very bad news indeed” – Fortune magazine, who won a Science Writing Award from the American Institute of Physics for its analysis of the danger

1974 - “…the facts of the present climate change are such that the most optimistic experts would assign near certainty to major crop failure…mass deaths by starvation, and probably anarchy and violence” – New York Times

Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age

1975 - Scientists Ponder Why World’s Climate is Changing; A Major Cooling Widely Considered to Be Inevitable – New York Times, May 21st, 1975

1975 - “The threat of a new ice age must now stand alongside nuclear war as a likely source of wholesale death and misery for mankind” Nigel Calder, editor, New Scientist magazine, in an article in International Wildlife Magazine

1976 - “Even U.S. farms may be hit by cooling trend” – U.S. News and World Report

1981 - Global Warming – “of an almost unprecedented magnitude” – New York Times

1988 - I would like to draw three main conclusions. Number one, the earth is warmer in 1988 than at any time in the history of instrumental measurements. Number two, the global warming is now large enough that we can ascribe with a high degree of confidence a cause and effect relationship to the greenhouse effect. And number three, our computer climate simulations indicate that thegreenhouse effect is already large enough to begin to effect the probability of extreme events such as summer heat waves. – Jim Hansen, June 1988 testimony before Congress, see His later quote and His superior’s objection for context

1989 -“On the one hand, as scientists we are ethically bound to the scientific method, in effect promising to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but – which means that we must include all doubts, the caveats, the ifs, ands and buts. On the other hand, we are not just scientists but human beings as well. And like most people we’d like to see the world a better place, which in this context translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climate change. To do that we need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, means getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. This “double ethical bind” we frequently find ourselves in cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that means being both.” – Stephen Schneider, lead author of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Discover magazine, October 1989

1990 - “We’ve got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing – in terms of economic policy and environmental policy” – Senator Timothy Wirth

1993 - “Global climate change may alter temperature and rainfall patterns, many scientists fear, with uncertain consequences for agriculture.” – U.S. News and World Report

1998 - No matter if the science [of global warming] is all phony . . . climate change [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.” —Christine Stewart, Canadian Minister of the Environment, Calgary Herald, 1998

2001 - “Scientists no longer doubt that global warming is happening, and almost nobody questions the fact that humans are at least partly responsible.” – Time Magazine, Monday, Apr. 09, 2001

2003 - Emphasis on extreme scenarios may have been appropriate at one time, when the public and decision-makers were relatively unaware of the global warming issue, and energy sources such as “synfuels,” shale oil and tar sands were receiving strong consideration” – Jim Hansen, NASA Global Warming activist, Can we defuse The Global Warming Time Bomb?, 2003

2006 - “I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve this crisis.” — Al Gore, Grist magazine, May 2006

2006 – “It is not a debate over whether the earth has been warming over the past century. The earth is always warming or cooling, at least a few tenths of a degree…” — Richard S. Lindzen, the Alfred P. Sloan professor of meteorology at MIT

2006 – “What we have fundamentally forgotten is simple primary school science. Climate always changes. It is always…warming or cooling, it’s never stable. And if it were stable, it would actually be interesting scientifically because it would be the first time for four and a half billion years.” —Philip Stott, emeritus professor of bio-geography at the University of London

2006 - “Since 1895, the media has alternated between global cooling and warming scares during four separate and sometimes overlapping time periods. From 1895 until the 1930’s the media peddled a coming ice age. From the late 1920’s until the 1960’s they warned of global warming. From the 1950’s until the 1970’s they warned us again of a coming ice age. This makes modern global warming the fourth estate’s fourth attempt to promote opposing climate change fears during the last 100 years.” – Senator James Inhofe, Monday, September 25, 2006

2007- “I gave a talk recently (on fallacies of global warming) and three members of the Canadian government, the environmental cabinet, came up afterwards and said, ‘We agree with you, but it’s not worth our jobs to say anything.’ So what’s being created is a huge industry with billions of dollars of government money and people’s jobs dependent on it.” – Dr. Tim Ball, Coast-to-Coast, Feb 6, 2007

2008 – “Hansen was never muzzled even though he violated NASA’s official agency position on climate forecasting (i.e., we did not know enough to forecast climate change or mankind’s effect on it). Hansen thus embarrassed NASA by coming out with his claims of global warming in 1988 in his testimony before Congress” – Dr. John S. Theon, retired Chief of the Climate Processes Research Program at NASA, see above for Hansen quotes

Section updated by Anthony:

2009 – Climate change: melting ice will trigger wave of natural disasters. Scientists at a London conference next week will warn of earthquakes, avalanches and volcanic eruptions as the atmosphere heats up and geology is altered. Even Britain could face being struck by tsunamis – “Not only are the oceans and atmosphere conspiring against us, bringing baking temperatures, more powerful storms and floods, but the crust beneath our feet seems likely to join in too,” – Professor Bill McGuire, director of the Benfield Hazard Research Centre, at University College London, – The Guardian, Sep 2009.

2010 – What Global Warming Looks Like. It was more than 5°C (about 10°F) warmer than climatology in the eastern European region including Moscow. There was an area in eastern Asia that was similarly unusually hot. The eastern part of the United States was unusually warm, although not to the degree of the hot spots in Eurasia. James Hansen – NASA GISS, August 11, 2010.

2011 – Where Did Global Warming Go? “In Washington, ‘climate change’ has become a lightning rod, it’s a four-letter word,” said Andrew J. Hoffman, director of the University of Michigan’s Erb Institute for Sustainable Development. – New York Times, Oct 15, 2011.

2012 – Global warming close to becoming irreversible-scientists. “This is the critical decade. If we don’t get the curves turned around this decade we will cross those lines,” said Will Steffen, executive director of the Australian National University’s climate change institute, speaking at a conference in London. Reuters, Mar 26, 2012

2013 – Global-warming ‘proof’ is evaporating. The 2013 hurricane season just ended as one of the five quietest years since 1960. But don’t expect anyone who pointed to last year’s hurricanes as “proof” of the need to act against global warming to apologize; the warmists don’t work that way. New York Post, Dec 5, 2013

2014 – Climate change: It’s even worse than we thought. Five years ago, the last report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change painted a gloomy picture of our planet’s future. As climate scientists gather evidence for the next report, due in 2014, Michael Le Page gives seven reasons why things are looking even grimmer. – New Scientist (undated in 2014)

A brief history of climate panic and crisis… both warming and cooling | Watts Up With That?

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Just a guess and it would be Antarctica

Think you're right Huey. I recall that now from one of the RF Scott expedition books.

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Lol.

Edit: That is the 9th largest.

I don't think it's all counted as one desert (and most of it isn't true desert by definition) but it sure as heck looks like one driving through it for the 20th time.

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Just a guess and it would be Antarctica

Yep, many deserts are actually cold, despite preconceptions.

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Yep, many deserts are actually cold, despite preconceptions.
I was leaning toward the obvious Sahara and considered Pategonia. Didn't realize how small the S. A. deserts were in comparison.

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