Jump to content
LooseGoose

2016 Presidential Election - Who will the nominees be? Make your prediction here.

Recommended Posts

It was my impression that he said FNC sewed the seeds. I think it misses the underlying political and economic issues that are the real oxygen.

the Fire Triangle says you need fuel, oxygen, ignition to create combustion. I would't argue with any leg of the triangle in the paradigm that you wanted to assign to Fox vs underlying sociology/politics.

I would say that I think Fox is also a significant force in shaping, reflecting, validating the kinds of policy solutions that become the currency of right side politics. But be that as it may, the more general place of Fox in US politics is further afield than the point I was most interested in, which was just that Fox was pretty instrumental in creating the political legitimacy that has allowed Trump to get into the race, but speaking metaphorically, their 'creature' has pretty much moved beyond their control, even to the point of his turning his fire in Fox's direction. There is irony to be appreciated in that regardless of your politics.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

BetMGM Michigan $600 Risk-Free bet

BetMGM Michigan Sports Betting
Michigan online sports betting is now available! Start betting at BetMGM Michigan now and get a $600 risk-free bet bonus at their online sportsbook & casino.

Claim $600 risk-free bet at BetMGM Michigan Now

I wouldn't bother attacking Trump right now. Nobody wins these things in August. As he releases his policy positions I would continue to point out how mine are different/better than his, but thats about it.

Fair point. A lot of anti-establishment types will project a candidate's agreement with themselves in the early stages. I agree once he has to define himself it is unlikely all the people who think he agrees with them will continue to think so.

When it does become time to go on the offensive against him, you do it with your PAC.

Yup. Probably earlier than anyone wants to spend much ad money.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Oh man, the editorials over Trumps immigration policy are so entertaining. This would be the worst election cycle of all time without Trump running.

"I'M A huge fan of the Mexican people," Donald Trump said in an interview this weekend with NBC's Chuck Todd. "But they have to pay for the wall."

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Without searching there was some discussion last week whether the group Black Matters had Hillary on their radar. They met with her a few days ago and the group released this video.

Edited by CMRivdog
Fixing video that was posted

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This is the shorter of the two, and probably the most interesting...

0lM0hs8nX&index=2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I wouldn't bother attacking Trump right now. Nobody wins these things in August. As he releases his policy positions I would continue to point out how mine are different/better than his, but thats about it.

When it does become time to go on the offensive against him, you do it with your PAC. The public loves to see Trump make a show of things and call people stupid, idiots, losers, etc. They eat it up and frankly, his bombastic speaking style is why he's ahead, it has nothing to do with actual policy.

By using your PAC you essentially take away his ability to turn things into a circus. Instead of Jeb Bush saying this, this, and this about Trump, its a faceless PAC doing it. Trump can't go on stage or do an interview and say, "Did you see Jeb on Hannity last night? I can't believe he said those things about me. What an idiot that guy is. That guy is a stupid loser who shouldn't be in Washington."

The campaigns with deep enough pockets to weather the storm should just be sitting back and waiting/hoping that some combination of Trump imploding and candidates dropping out of the race helps their own position. Candidates come from out of nowhere all the time, and likely they just need to wait things out a bit because its still really early.

But the candidates without the financial resources to wait out a prolonged campaign, who needed to show well early to gain momentum/financing, or needed to place top 3-4 in Iowa, are the ones who are getting hurt by Trump sucking the air out of the GOP nomination process right now. Really, that's why you saw Rand on on the attack earlier this month, I believe.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
The campaigns with deep enough pockets to weather the storm should just be sitting back and waiting/hoping that some combination of Trump imploding and candidates dropping out of the race helps their own position. Candidates come from out of nowhere all the time, and likely they just need to wait things out a bit because its still really early.

But the candidates without the financial resources to wait out a prolonged campaign, who needed to show well early to gain momentum/financing, or needed to place top 3-4 in Iowa, are the ones who are getting hurt by Trump sucking the air out of the GOP nomination process right now. Really, that's why you saw Rand on on the attack earlier this month, I believe.

I agree.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I disagree and think its just excuse making for people running bad campaigns.

Carson has moved up just fine. Fiorina has moved up just fine. Rand not moving up, and actually moving down, has nothing to do with Trump at all. It has to do with him being a disaster and running a disastrous campaign.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Fox, and really all media outlets are going to have to dump Luntz this cycle. No matter who is to blame, or what the story is, the media can't let the pollster become the news here. This Luntz-Trump thing has lingered on too long and is now heating up again.

Roger Stone, a former top adviser with Donald Trump’s campaign, took to Twitter on Tuesday to blast Republican pollster Frank Luntz for his profanity-laced tirade against the presidential candidate.

“Pathetic turd FrankLuntz begged @realDonaldTrump for corporate polling work - trashes Trump only after Trump declines,” Stone tweeted Tuesday afternoon.

Stone also challenged members of the media to find any Republican pollster who would say on the record that Luntz is “competent.”

The remarks come after a POLITICO story published earlier in the day quoted Luntz saying that the campaigns of Trump and Bernie Sanders are “delivering a big ‘f—- you’ to the elites in America.”

Read more: Donald Trump 2016: Roger Stone calls Frank Luntz a

EDIT: And actually, here is the most pertinent part that is linked within the above article. There is plenty of reason to question Luntz' work, not to mention his focus group was totally wrong on how Trump performed in the debate according to the post-debate polls.

But sources told POLITICO that, in the days before the Aug. 6 Fox News presidential debate where a Luntz-run focus group panned Trump’s performance, the pollster told a closed-door gathering of major conservative donors in Southern California that Trump was dangerous to Republicans and was “turning what we believe into a joke.”

Read more: Donald Trump 2016: Fox

Edited by ballmich

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
the Fire Triangle says you need fuel, oxygen, ignition to create combustion. I would't argue with any leg of the triangle in the paradigm that you wanted to assign to Fox vs underlying sociology/politics.

I would say that I think Fox is also a significant force in shaping, reflecting, validating the kinds of policy solutions that become the currency of right side politics. But be that as it may, the more general place of Fox in US politics is further afield than the point I was most interested in, which was just that Fox was pretty instrumental in creating the political legitimacy that has allowed Trump to get into the race, but speaking metaphorically, their 'creature' has pretty much moved beyond their control, even to the point of his turning his fire in Fox's direction. There is irony to be appreciated in that regardless of your politics.

So do you find all views of the right to be illegitimate and invalid? And how exactly did Fox validate Trump whose own views over the last decade+ have been all over the board?

Trump is a celebrity, in 2011 a Gallup poll showed him in the top ten of the most admired men in the country. That's the same organization that about 2 years later showed a poll that over 70% of Americans thought their government was corrupt and just last month showed that the economy and dissatisfaction with the government as the two most pressing national issues.

I think Trump, a person with very little Republican or conservative history, is connecting the dots better. Even his little dust up with Fox was as good for business as it was manufactured.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Without searching there was some discussion last week whether the group Black Matters had Hillary on their radar. They met with her a few days ago and the group released this video.

That was actually a great response. Bill probably taught her that when trying to get her to let go of his indiscretions and come up with something he could do moving forward.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Do not taunt happy fun ball.

The stunning imbroglio of Hillary Clinton's path to The White House took another absurd twist tonight when just hours after The FBI confirmed an "attempt" was made to wipe the hard drive of her email server (or in other words, remove all data on it), the former secretary of state seemed to mock the claims in a press conference. When asked specifically if she wiped the server, she 'ummed' and 'ahhed' then jokingly said "what with a cloth or something?"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-18/hillary-mocks-fbi-claim-she-wiped-email-server-clean-what-cloth-or-something

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So whacko libs compare Trump to Hitler when Obama called ISIS the JV sqad.

ISIS has gained ground like the Nazis. They behead people and rape women and children by most accounts. They burn people in cages.

But these whacko libs need to say Trump is the one we need to watch out for.

These whacko libs need to say Republicans have a war on women, when the Prez they voted for called them a JV giving them time to gain ground.

Whacko libs are so blinded by their ideology that they can't see what is happening in the world. Its all just about Republicans and conservatives.

I am ashamed to say that I once was a Dem. The party has lost its way.

Oh yeah, and go Tigers.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
The more TigerSlappy and yeahbuddy post in the political forum, the more entertaining it is. I encourage both to freely and frequently express their opinions to help me get through the working day! ;)

LOL..thanks...I think.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
So whacko libs compare Trump to Hitler when Obama called ISIS the JV sqad.

ISIS has gained ground like the Nazis. They behead people and rape women and children by most accounts. They burn people in cages.

But these whacko libs need to say Trump is the one we need to watch out for.

These whacko libs need to say Republicans have a war on women, when the Prez they voted for called them a JV giving them time to gain ground.

Whacko libs are so blinded by their ideology that they can't see what is happening in the world. Its all just about Republicans and conservatives.

I am ashamed to say that I once was a Dem. The party has lost its way.

Oh yeah, and go Tigers.

This could be the start of a really cool game of Non-Sequitur Mad Libs.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Here's another example of when Libs/Dems have lost it.

Trump calls someone a fat pig....is despicable and abhorrent behavior. But when abortion doctors sip wine over hors d'oeuvres discussing where to crush babies in the future for profit, its an edited video that is at fault.

Edited by yeahbuddy

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
This could be the start of a really cool game of Non-Sequitur Mad Libs.

In a libs mind, I'm sure it is.

But where the outrage is direct by whacko libs is telling. If you don't see it, I feel for ya.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yikes. I got caught up in the cross fire of a partnership that went sour. The feds got involved and sent an FBI guy to interview several of us (though we didn't know in advance) One morning my cell phone rings and this voice identifies himself and says he's with the FBI. I started laughing...they don't have a sense of humor and the interview is worse.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Man, I sure feel sorry for anyone that doesn't agree with my world view. It must be horrible not being able to see things through my distorted lens. Lol

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Hillary sure seems like she is a crook. But she just blames the messenger like most libs do.

They're all ****ing crooks man. Every damned one of them.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
They're all ****ing crooks man. Every damned one of them.

Not sure if you are just trolling or not.

But if you aren't...than that's an oversimplification, but closer to the truth than saying they are all law abiding, imo.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
They're all ****ing crooks man. Every damned one of them.

Unfortunately, this is true. All these politicians do is stoke the flames of hatred against the other party. It seems you can't get elected president unless you play that game.

I blame the voters, not the politicians.

EDIT: I believe there are good people that I would love to see become president, but they'd never get elected. And even if they could get elected......congress.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


Michigan Sports Betting Offer

Michigan launched online sports betting and casino apps on Friday, January 22, 2021. We have selected the top Michigan sportsbooks and casinos that offer excellent bonus offers. Terms and conditions apply.

BetRivers Michigan - Get a 100% up to $250 deposit bonus at their online sportsbook & casino.

Click Here to claim $250 deposit bonus at BetRivers Michigan For Signing Up Now

FanDuel Michigan - Get a $1,000 risk-free bet at FanDuel Michigan on your first bet.

Click Here to claim $1,000 Risk-Free Bet at FanDuel Michigan

BetMGM Michigan - Get a $600 risk-free bet at the BetMGM online casino & sportsbook

Click Here to claim $600 risk-free bet at BetMGM Michigan

   


×
×
  • Create New...