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Yeah - Torii was a 1st class CF in his day, but so *was* AJax. It's a 'what have you done for me lately?" world in sports! :classic:

To put it in message board terms, the decline of Toriii and Nathan has been so steep it would be equivalent to MTS declining to 2 new threads a week and 17 posts per GDT.

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The problem isn't that Biff is an a-hole. Everyone knows he is an a-hole and have accepted that. The problem is that he simply isn't a very good a-hole. Some posters persist in arguing that Biff is a Grade-A a-hole, but actually he hasn't been more than a replacement level a-hole for years now.

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The problem isn't that Biff is an a-hole. Everyone knows he is an a-hole and have accepted that. The problem is that he simply isn't a very good a-hole. Some posters persist in arguing that Biff is a Grade-A a-hole, but actually he hasn't been more than a replacement level a-hole for years now.

Do you have stats to back this up?

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I haven't gone anywhere. I lurk daily, which is what I've done for over ten years now. It's been good to see some former fixtures who've been away check in this thread. My life rarely allows time to participate in any board. I've appreciated what some of you have taught me about the game over my years' worth of reading. I'd really miss this board if it'd go away, and I already miss the level of traffic we used to see here. I don't expect any of you who contribute so regularly here to pay much attention to a lurker like me. Just realize that your audience is bigger than you realize, and some of us enjoy the banter, warts and all!

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Do you have stats to back this up?

You don't need no stinking stats to prove Biff is an *******. Anybody can see it with their own eyes.

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I agree he used to be very good although a little overrated. Some, like Impemba and Allen, still talk him up like he's a great player.

Yep, and after hearing the Fox broadcast yesterday it seems like the National media still think he is a great defender too.(Joe Buck saying something like "Torii could catch that with his hat" after a routine fly ball. Which makes me wonder if Ausmus and Co. Still think he is a premium defender too. Because imo, no hyperbole he is seriously giving Delmon a run for his money for worse defensive outfielder I have ever seen in a Tigers uniform in a long long time. At this point Torii, isn't doing anything well defensively, he's missing the routine plays, he's not making plus plays, he's not cutting off balls, and he's making terrible throws. He's not doing anything right defensively. Yet his reputation is so good it seems like everybody but us on here can see that.

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Yep, and after hearing the Fox broadcast yesterday it seems like the National media still think he is a great defender too.(Joe Buck saying something like "Torii could catch that with his hat" after a routine fly ball. Which makes me wonder if Ausmus and Co. Still think he is a premium defender too. Because imo, no hyperbole he is seriously giving Delmon a run for his money for worse defensive outfielder I have ever seen in a Tigers uniform in a long long time. At this point Torii, isn't doing anything well defensively, he's missing the routine plays, he's not making plus plays, he's not cutting off balls, and he's making terrible throws. He's not doing anything right defensively. Yet his reputation is so good it seems like everybody but us on here can see that.

Verducci spoke in the first inning last night of Hunter's and AJ's bad defense this year, so the SMART national media knows about it. See fangraphs article from Friday.

It will be interesting to see how long Verducci lasts in the booth with Joe. Joe did not appreciate Tom's comments regarding the time zone, sun level and position of stadium comments. The comments were fine but Joe immediately judged them as being over everyone's head. Which they weren't. It was awkward.

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Yep, and after hearing the Fox broadcast yesterday it seems like the National media still think he is a great defender too.(Joe Buck saying something like "Torii could catch that with his hat" after a routine fly ball. Which makes me wonder if Ausmus and Co. Still think he is a premium defender too. Because imo, no hyperbole he is seriously giving Delmon a run for his money for worse defensive outfielder I have ever seen in a Tigers uniform in a long long time. At this point Torii, isn't doing anything well defensively, he's missing the routine plays, he's not making plus plays, he's not cutting off balls, and he's making terrible throws. He's not doing anything right defensively. Yet his reputation is so good it seems like everybody but us on here can see that.

The media is always behind the curve on the decline of older players, either because they just don't follow close enough, or because maybe its considered a bad story line with the fans to talk about favorites going down hill. Whichever - it seems like Bucks response is pretty normal. But Buck is pretty horrible.

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My activity here has tailed off over the past few years, and I figure I may as well answer where I have gone.

-Life is busier. It's tough to justify scouring message boards on the job, or in the five plus intramural leagues I play in year-round. I've never downloaded Tapatalk, but the days of keeping up with every post are gone. It's just not efficient for me.

-I like Twitter for a multitude of reasons:

--I can follow who I want and get news/insight from who I want, whether they are family, friends, MTS Members, experts, players, journalists, Phil Coke's Brain, etc. That filter is nice and helps avoid rabbit holes like batting average vs. OBP debates which don't advance my baseball knowledge at all.

--It's more efficient, at least to me. When news breaks I get it. It comes right on the feed instead of clicking inside of threads: alerts come to my phone.

Different strokes for different folks. MTS has always been a great place to talk Tigers baseball. I would imagine a lot of folks have moved over to BYB or Tigstown. There's just alternatives now and the people in the generation that would have been here in the hey day probably have families sucking away most of their time.

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This may be a dumb question, and maybe he doesn't want to go back to the heavy traffic days, but has MWG done anything ever to market the place? BYB is always pimping their board. Having a MTS twitter would go a long ways in bringing in more traffic if it was done right. Assign someone to post on it during games and such, with the occasion "Hey were talking about so and so here in this thread <insert link>. There's a lot you can do to market places like this these days, and they're all free. I just don't recall ever seeing any sort of effort to bring new people in. Again maybe that's for a reason, I really have no idea.

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What is this byb place I've seen a few people mention?

Bless You Boys

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Bless You Boys

Bless you too. But that doesn't answer his question.

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I honestly don't think I've ever been on their site.

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Bottom line to me: if you're willing to explore different ways of thinking about baseball in a sincere way this is a good place. Some of the most intelligent/insightful posters can also be difficult to deal with sometimes....such is life.

If the goal is to make statements that are accepted as true, then MTS is probably not the best place for that.

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I've been following baseball since 1979 and a member here since 2007.

I think I've learned more about the game from the short time I've been here than the 28 years before.

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You don't need no stinking stats to prove Biff is an *******. Anybody can see it with their own eyes.

I contend he is somewhere between replacement level ******* and platoon *******. I am just curious what VORA says about him.

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I contend he is somewhere between replacement level ******* and platoon *******. I am just curious what VORA says about him.

I've worked hard and maybe if you guys would befriend some minor league a-holes you'd appreciate the effort that goes into being an a-hole thusly causing you to stop muddying the water with your fancy sabr stats.

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You don't need no stinking stats to prove Biff is an *******. Anybody can see it with their own eyes.

It's not his fault. When Leyland was manager he rectum.

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I'm trying to remember, who was the guy who used to always post Willie Wonka saying "You Get Nothing, You Lose, Good Day Sir" directed at the opposing pitcher who got the loss in most game threads after Tiger wins?

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I'm trying to remember, who was the guy who used to always post Willie Wonka saying "You Get Nothing, You Lose, Good Day Sir" directed at the opposing pitcher who got the loss in most game threads after Tiger wins?

Monkeytargets

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I dont know if this has been brought up but before the Tigers became good it was hard to find another Tiger fan to talk baseball with so you also had to find a messageboard to get your Tigers fix. But now that they are good everyone follows them and its not so hard to find someone in your daily life to talk tigers baseball.

i remember buying a car back in 2003 and having the salesman asking me if a follow the tiger , i told him yeah and started to talk about how much i thought Dean Palmer helped the team when i realized he was talking about Tiger Woods. oops

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I dont know if this has been brought up but before the Tigers became good it was hard to find another Tiger fan to talk baseball with so you also had to find a messageboard to get your Tigers fix. But now that they are good everyone follows them and its not so hard to find someone in your daily life to talk tigers baseball.

i remember buying a car back in 2003 and having the salesman asking me if a follow the tiger , i told him yeah and started to talk about how much i thought Dean Palmer helped the team when i realized he was talking about Tiger Woods. oops

Yeah, the Tigers have struggled lately, but look at the bright side: we could be fans of Tiger Woods.

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