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The problem is next years pick is only top 1 protected.

I really think we can get much of what we are looking for off of existing rosters or out of the NBADL. The draft has gotten so young and raw, I would--in many cases--take fliers on already-drafted talent that have been playing basketball professionally for a few years for short-term, low-cost deal than tie up potentially $20 m or so over the course of a rookie contract.

Maybe that's just the nit in me, but there are productive players out there who are hungry to prove themselves. Some were drafted too high and given up on too young, some were late-bloomers, some came out too early and went undrafted, etc . . .

I'm not saying we don't need the draft in years to come, but the prospect of not having a draft pick is not a daunting one to me after what I have seen from recent rookie crops.

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I really think we can get much of what we are looking for off of existing rosters or out of the NBADL. The draft has gotten so young and raw, I would--in many cases--take fliers on already-drafted talent that have been playing basketball professionally for a few years for short-term, low-cost deal than tie up potentially $20 m or so over the course of a rookie contract.

Maybe that's just the nit in me, but there are productive players out there who are hungry to prove themselves. Some were drafted too high and given up on too young, some were late-bloomers, some came out too early and went undrafted, etc . . .

I'm not saying we don't need the draft in years to come, but the prospect of not having a draft pick is not a daunting one to me after what I have seen from recent rookie crops.

The draft provides the best possibility to land talented and cheap talent. That D-League roster posted would lose 65 games. If you lose 65 games you might as well land a high draft pick for your troubles.

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The draft provides the best possibility to land talented and cheap talent. That D-League roster posted would lose 65 games. If you lose 65 games you might as well land a high draft pick for your troubles.

The talent is underdeveloped that is coming out. Most of it needs 2-4 years before it is truly rotation-ready, IMO. Pay for some shooters, combine it with whatever indigenous personnel that was either strategically kept or couldn't be unloaded.

Phoenix is on the verge or breaking through in the west with a bunch of spare draft parts: Dragic--a mid-2nd rounder, Plumlee--a big who was seen as little more than six fouls per game, Chandler--a sweet-shooting stretch big who was little more than a spare part, Green--a former first-round bust-turned DLeague, the Morris boys--twin tweener combo forwards from Kansas in that nobody really wanted much after the draft and a Bledsoe--a combo guard who most on this board said wasn't worthy of coming to Detroit as a FA to lead our club.

That team won 48 games this season. While it certainly isn't a blueprint for how to build the perfect team, their success this season was not an accident. Sure, they just missed the playoffs but this is a team with a lot of upside. There is no reason why Detroit can't do something similar, as they've done it before. Give me this route over the route the Cavs took any day of the week.

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The talent is underdeveloped that is coming out. Most of it needs 2-4 years before it is truly rotation-ready, IMO. Pay for some shooters, combine it with whatever indigenous personnel that was either strategically kept or couldn't be unloaded.

Phoenix is on the verge or breaking through in the west with a bunch of spare draft parts: Dragic--a mid-2nd rounder, Plumlee--a big who was seen as little more than six fouls per game, Chandler--a sweet-shooting stretch big who was little more than a spare part, Green--a former first-round bust-turned DLeague, the Morris boys--twin tweener combo forwards from Kansas in that nobody really wanted much after the draft and a Bledsoe--a combo guard who most on this board said wasn't worthy of coming to Detroit as a FA to lead our club.

That team won 48 games this season. While it certainly isn't a blueprint for how to build the perfect team, their success this season was not an accident. Sure, they just missed the playoffs but this is a team with a lot of upside. There is no reason why Detroit can't do something similar, as they've done it before. Give me this route over the route the Cavs took any day of the week.

Your blueprint for the Pistons is a team that hasn't made the playoffs yet. Not sure that can even be called a blueprint.

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Your blueprint for the Pistons is a team that hasn't made the playoffs yet. Not sure that can even be called a blueprint.

Winning 48 games playing in the WC is better than anything this franchise has come up with in some time.

Unless you want to argue that the WC is overrated and actually weaker than the EC somehow.

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Winning 48 games playing in the WC is better than anything this franchise has come up with in some time.

Unless you want to argue that the WC is overrated and actually weaker than the EC somehow.

48 wins is nice. Doesn't change the fact they need a ticket to watch a playoff game this year. And while at that game they can watch teams built around players by and large picked in the top 10 of the draft.

I'm not against running a terrible lineup out there every night. I'm against doing it in a year when your draft pick is only top 1 protected. Even if you are not a fan of the draft, you have to admit a top 5 pick will bring back a lot in a trade.

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48 wins is nice. Doesn't change the fact they need a ticket to watch a playoff game this year. And while at that game they can watch teams built around players by and large picked in the top 10 of the draft.

I'm not against running a terrible lineup out there every night. I'm against doing it in a year when your draft pick is only top 1 protected. Even if you are not a fan of the draft, you have to admit a top 5 pick will bring back a lot in a trade.

Wait, so the Suns had a terrible lineup? Please, give me some of that over half of the *playoff* teams in the EC.

The Spurs, owners of the best record in basketball, trotted out a lineup with just one lottery pick (#1 overall, '98) who may be playing in his last playoffs. The rest are mid/low 1st rounders and second rounders with some UFAs sprinkled in.

While our franchise big isn't a 1st overall, he sure outperforms plenty of his #1 pick brethren.

There are no more LBJ or Durant-type of super-players coming out, and certainly no more Duncans or Shaqs. There are low-cost/high-reward guys out there that we don't have to draft, guys who were--for whatever reason--just not ready for an NBA rotation. The Pistons don't have to--nor should they--build entirely off of guys like this. But there sure are better options than the ones the franchise has explored the past few seasons. Re-signing Bynum was a classic example, and then not dealing Stuckey at any point during his contract was another. Signing Monroe to a big contract, IMO, would be yet another.

And if we were really going to trade our lottery pick--whenever it is we do retain one--then I am all for that as long as we fill some needs.

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Wait, so the Suns had a terrible lineup? Please, give me some of that over half of the *playoff* teams in the EC.

The Spurs, owners of the best record in basketball, trotted out a lineup with just one lottery pick (#1 overall, '98) who may be playing in his last playoffs. The rest are mid/low 1st rounders and second rounders with some UFAs sprinkled in.

While our franchise big isn't a 1st overall, he sure outperforms plenty of his #1 pick brethren.

There are no more LBJ or Durant-type of super-players coming out, and certainly no more Duncans or Shaqs. There are low-cost/high-reward guys out there that we don't have to draft, guys who were--for whatever reason--just not ready for an NBA rotation. The Pistons don't have to--nor should they--build entirely off of guys like this. But there sure are better options than the ones the franchise has explored the past few seasons. Re-signing Bynum was a classic example, and then not dealing Stuckey at any point during his contract was another. Signing Monroe to a big contract, IMO, would be yet another.

And if we were really going to trade our lottery pick--whenever it is we do retain one--then I am all for that as long as we fill some needs.

The lineup you listed is terrible, not the Suns.

The Spurs are the one example you can use in the playoffs and still they needed a #1 overall pick to build their team.

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I also love how if the draft doesn't contain a player comparable to Lebron James, the draft is just useless. You know, someone who will go down as one of the greatest of all time. That is a bit silly if you ask me.

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Bulls Were Increasingly Confident Of Carmelo Chances Even Before Cap News - RealGM Wiretap

The Houston Rockets are also confident that they can create space for Anthony.

I gave their cap situation a quick glance. If they want Anthony I don't see how they keep Parsons. Which means Detroit wouldn't have to worry about them matching an offer.

Are we 100% sure Parsons is a free agent? I just looked it up on ShamSports and he has him listed with a team option for next year at just over $900K. Certainly Houston would exercise that option and bring him back at that cheap price.

ShamSports.com: Houston Rockets salary information

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Not a great article, but the one piece of information I didn't know was that the search firm we're using helped steer Toronto to Ujiri. That's slightly encouraging.

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Not sure that means anything for that firm and/or headhunters in general.

I think they hired one to help in the search. Then out of nowhere Denver makes Ujiri available and its an obvious hitre at that point.

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I love how tanking supposedly doesn't work because Cleveland didn't win a title with LeBron.

Tanking has pretty much only worked for San Antonio, and they tanked before the millennium.

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The lineup you listed is terrible, not the Suns.

The Spurs are the one example you can use in the playoffs and still they needed a #1 overall pick to build their team.

My "linup" was just the leftovers from the roster. I'm sure the L would fine the Pistons for not having a complete roster, maybe double because of the freshly-aired Bad Boys 30-for-30.

While it is fair to say the Spurs needed Duncan to build their team, it is also fair to say that Drummond has the kind of tools and early production one would expect from a #1 overall pick who has yet to turn 21. We have our key building block, even if he isn't as developed/polished as Duncan was at the same age. But who was? Webber, Alcindor, Shaq?

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Tanking has pretty much only worked for San Antonio, and they tanked before the millennium.

It worked in Cleveland beautifully.

The fact they failed to get talent around LeBron isn't evidence that acquiring LeBron was a bad strategy.

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I also love how if the draft doesn't contain a player comparable to Lebron James, the draft is just useless. You know, someone who will go down as one of the greatest of all time. That is a bit silly if you ask me.

That's the thing, the media tries to sell us there are all of these "second coming-types" on the horizon and those guys just aren't who they say they are. The draft doesn't give us the rotation-ready products it used to. Players who are drafted for ceiling are being given up on prematurely after they don't develop as fast as expected, and these are the guys the Pistons should absolutely vulture. It is a hit-and-miss process, similar to the draft, but because of the longer resume it is easier to identify strengths and weaknesses and easier to gage things like temperament, work ethic, off-court behavior and so on.

The draft isn't useless if it is used correctly. There are a lot of teams out there who are drafting way too much to ceiling as if that player can come right in and do the work of a mature veteran. Not only is the average lottery pick's college career short, his time as a squire is as well.

What is useless, though, is pining over lottery picks who will, in many cases, produce like late first rounders, second rounders or UFAs their first few years. The Pistons need help immediately in the form of shooting, facilitating, perimeter defense and basket defense--just like they did last year. Expectation of rookies is far too high as is the fan base's expectation.

What is useless is a coach who continues to play the same old guys we've seen fail the past few years instead of giving the new blood a shot at meaningful minutes. How was it ever in the team's best interest to play--start, even--Singler at shooting guard? Why was Stuckey even dressing after we didn't move him after the trade deadline and everyone knew the Pistons were never making the playoffs? Pope definitely needed the run. Why was Jerebko getting extended PT during that same time period instead of seeing what Mitchell could do in that role? Smith didn't play much the final several games, why wasn't Datome getting extended minutes unless they are definitely giving up on him after one year? I know all foreign shooting specialists aren't Mirza, but he's given Brooklyn some nice shooting after a horrible rookie campaign.

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It worked in Cleveland beautifully.

The fact they failed to get talent around LeBron isn't evidence that acquiring LeBron was a bad strategy.

Winning a battle and losing the war for sure.

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That's the thing, the media tries to sell us there are all of these "second coming-types" on the horizon and those guys just aren't who they say they are. The draft doesn't give us the rotation-ready products it used to. Players who are drafted for ceiling are being given up on prematurely after they don't develop as fast as expected, and these are the guys the Pistons should absolutely vulture. It is a hit-and-miss process, similar to the draft, but because of the longer resume it is easier to identify strengths and weaknesses and easier to gage things like temperament, work ethic, off-court behavior and so on.

The draft isn't useless if it is used correctly. There are a lot of teams out there who are drafting way too much to ceiling as if that player can come right in and do the work of a mature veteran. Not only is the average lottery pick's college career short, his time as a squire is as well.

What is useless, though, is pining over lottery picks who will, in many cases, produce like late first rounders, second rounders or UFAs their first few years. The Pistons need help immediately in the form of shooting, facilitating, perimeter defense and basket defense--just like they did last year. Expectation of rookies is far too high as is the fan base's expectation.

What is useless is a coach who continues to play the same old guys we've seen fail the past few years instead of giving the new blood a shot at meaningful minutes. How was it ever in the team's best interest to play--start, even--Singler at shooting guard? Why was Stuckey even dressing after we didn't move him after the trade deadline and everyone knew the Pistons were never making the playoffs? Pope definitely needed the run. Why was Jerebko getting extended PT during that same time period instead of seeing what Mitchell could do in that role? Smith didn't play much the final several games, why wasn't Datome getting extended minutes unless they are definitely giving up on him after one year? I know all foreign shooting specialists aren't Mirza, but he's given Brooklyn some nice shooting after a horrible rookie campaign.

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