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Players in every sport are drafted that wont help today. The goal is to draft the player who will be the best player 3-5 years from now, not today. Even after his injury Noel was rumored to be going top 1-2 in the draft. Picking him up at #6 is a steal, even if he doesn't play this year. For me to consider it tanking I would need to know Philadelphia liked other players at 6 over Noel but took him anyway to avoid winning this year. That is tanking.

And Philadelphia actually did a great job using their cap space this year. If they had gone out and signed people as you suggested, they couldn't have traded Hawes and Turner. They needed the empty cap space to absorb Grangers contract and get the team extra picks. Like NYLion said, that is good asset management, not tanking. Although I realize as Pistons fans we have no clue what good asset management is...

I wasn't suggesting they were tanking for a 3 year period. Maybe we just have different definitions of tanking, which would explain the problem here.

Philly is still well under the cap. Either way though , not signing guys so you can dump the guys you do have for future assets is basically the definition of tanking. I have no issue with it, but lets call a spade a spade.

sidenote, when did hoopsworld close? Dammit.

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I wasn't suggesting they were tanking for a 3 year period. Maybe we just have different definitions of tanking, which would explain the problem here.

Philly is still well under the cap. Either way though , not signing guys so you can dump the guys you do have for future assets is basically the definition of tanking. I have no issue with it, but lets call a spade a spade.

sidenote, when did hoopsworld close? Dammit.

But everyone under the sun knew they were not signing Turner this summer. Might as well flip him for a pick. I hesitate to call that tanking. If they were a borderline playoff team and dumped those guys, I might be more willing to agree.

Even if I concede and say Philadelphia is/was tanking. One team out of 30 isn't the epidemic people want to make it out to be.

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I think Del's point is, and I'm really stepping into a minefield getting into this discussion, is that there's a different between tanking, which I would say is losing just to get a high draft pick (ie. Spurs in 96-97) and making moves with the intention clear space, drafting players without the current philosophy of having to get an All Star player from rookie season on or it's a bust, and doing your best to manage your roster efficiently. Philly traded Turner because he didn't fit in their future plans. They traded Holliday for several draft picks. While you can agree or disagree whether it was a good trade, it certainly wasn't done just to lose games.

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What did they do to try and win games is the better question.

Not every move a team makes is for instant gratification. You can't run an organization that way. That still doesn't mean they did things to intentionally lose and/or tank.

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I think the question is, are you tanking if you're not trying to win the NBA Championship every year or even particularly make the playoffs and I think the answer is no. What would have been nice is if Joe didn't have the philosophy that playing for the playoffs is a good enough goal...which it seems like he's done for the past 5 years. I wish he'd have done more with a real plan of improving the roster from within rather than trying to fit a bunch of square pegs with their corners broken off into round holes

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But everyone under the sun knew they were not signing Turner this summer. Might as well flip him for a pick. I hesitate to call that tanking. If they were a borderline playoff team and dumped those guys, I might be more willing to agree.

Even if I concede and say Philadelphia is/was tanking. One team out of 30 isn't the epidemic people want to make it out to be.

Boston and Orlando are both certainly tanking. It was Bostons plan all year long as well.

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Boston and Orlando are both certainly tanking. It was Bostons plan all year long as well.

Yah, Boston definitely and Ainge is one of the ones who likes this draft least.

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But everyone under the sun knew they were not signing Turner this summer. Might as well flip him for a pick. I hesitate to call that tanking. If they were a borderline playoff team and dumped those guys, I might be more willing to agree.

Even if I concede and say Philadelphia is/was tanking. One team out of 30 isn't the epidemic people want to make it out to be.

I didn't express any problem with them dealing Turner.

as to your other post, I didn't say every move had to be instant gratification, but there is something in between selling out your future to win now and tanking.

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I didn't express any problem with them dealing Turner.

as to your other post, I didn't say every move had to be instant gratification, but there is something in between selling out your future to win now and tanking.

No there isn't. The Pistons are a perfect example of this. Try to find the middle between a total rebuild and winning now and you get a half decade of terrible basketball. Well, a half decade and counting.

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No there isn't. The Pistons are a perfect example of this. Try to find the middle between a total rebuild and winning now and you get a half decade of terrible basketball. Well, a half decade and counting.

The Hawks or Blazers come to mind. But still, your point seems to be tank if you don't have a chance at the title, which kind of goes against what you've been saying the rest of the thread.

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Knicks beat the Cavs. This means both the Knicks and Cavs sit one game behind the Pistons. Knicks coming on. Utah also wins. Knicks are probably still thinking playoffs.

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Phil Jackson is not going to come to Detroit. He'll either be in LA or NY or Miami. Somewhere glamorous. Definitely not Detroit.

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The Hawks or Blazers come to mind. But still, your point seems to be tank if you don't have a chance at the title, which kind of goes against what you've been saying the rest of the thread.

I have always been a huge fan of the rebuild. But I hate when people say its tanking just because a team is rebuilding. I don't think any teams ever try to lose games.

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Phil Jackson is not going to come to Detroit. He'll either be in LA or NY or Miami. Somewhere glamorous. Definitely not Detroit.

Detroit is glamorous! We have the people mover and original art..... on the people mover!

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I have always been a huge fan of the rebuild. But I hate when people say its tanking just because a team is rebuilding. I don't think any teams ever try to lose games.

I think teams do whatever is best for the overall health of their franchise.

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Ainge has publicly said he doesn't think the draft this season isn't as great as people have made it out to be. Not something you want to say when you're gonna have 2 lottery picks in the draft if you want to trade them which makes it hard to understand why he would try and devalue his biggest trade pieces beyond Rondo.

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I don't think his comments hurt his picks value other teams all have their own opinio, and it could be a signal to other team that want Rondo that a simple lotto pick and trash for Rondo will not be enough?

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Last night wasn't bad. NO, LAL and BOS all won while the Pistons lost. Pistons are now 1-6 in their final 26. I am 7-0 in predicting the outcome.

The rest of their march games:

Tue 11 vs Sacramento

Wed 12 @ Toronto

Sat 15 vs Indiana

Wed 19 @ Denver

Fri 21 @ Phoenix

Sat 22 @ L.A. Clippers

Mon 24 @ Utah

Wed 26 vs Cleveland

Fri 28 vs Miami

Sat 29 @ Philadelphia

Mon 31 vs Milwaukee

Teams/GB

12. Hawks/+3 (8th seed in the east)

11. Pelicans/+2

10. Pistons/0

T9.Knicks/.5

T9. Cavs/.5

T7. Celtics/2

T7. Jazz/2

T7. Kings/2

4. Lakers/2.5

Continue the losing and we may get our pick yet. 1-6 in their past 7. To get to the 6-20 I predicted they need to go 5-14 to finish the season.

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Yah, Boston definitely and Ainge is one of the ones who likes this draft least.

Wouldn't they have traded Rondo for picks and prospects if that was the case? Just because the media was sensationalizing the "Boston is tanking purposely" doesn't mean that their intention was to go 0-82.

Del made a good point about Phoenix, a team that had a low budget going into the season and was rolling with a bunch of young players and a rookie head coach. Are they now upset that their "tank" didn't go according to plan?

I think that some of you are getting "rebuilding" and "tanking" mixed up.

Are teams supposed to throw gobs of money at free agents and never trade players to clear cap space every year to prove that they aren't tanking?

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