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The only reason Dumars is kept on right now is if they are going to make a deadline deal, IMO.

And that would be a bad reason.

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To those that want the Pistons to tank the season, they are only 3.5 games out of the #5 seed and only 4.5 games out of the #4 seed. You don't think this team, with the right coach, can beat Toronto, Washington, Atlanta, etc in the first round of the playoffs? A good coach, a first round win and playoff experience is a helluva lot better than tanking and getting an unproven player in the draft (if we even get to KEEP our pick)...in my opinion.

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And that would be a bad reason.

Would they keep him on to get them through the draft like the Lions did with Millen, then?

Preferably they just terminate him now if they are really going to do it.

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If they hire a new coach now, does that mean Dumars stays no matter what?

Hollins would probably take the job no matter what. I don't think he was making a ton of money in Memphis (which is why they let him go).

All of this begs the question, why didn't they just hire him in the first place?

Ugh. I'm going to go watch re-runs of the Pistons and Bulls from the late 80s so I can remember Joe D fondly rather than the BS that is going on now.

I believe Memphis announced they wouldn't keep Hollins on the same day Cheeks was hired.

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Would they keep him on to get them through the draft like the Lions did with Millen, then?

Preferably they just terminate him now if they are really going to do it.

No. Trade deadline yes, but not the draft. Season is over in April and the draft isn't until the end of June. Plenty of time to bring someone else in for the draft if they fire Dumars. Plus the NBA draft is much easier to assess than the NFL draft.

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To those that want the Pistons to tank the season, they are only 3.5 games out of the #5 seed and only 4.5 games out of the #4 seed. You don't think this team, with the right coach, can beat Toronto, Washington, Atlanta, etc in the first round of the playoffs? A good coach, a first round win and playoff experience is a helluva lot better than tanking and getting an unproven player in the draft (if we even get to KEEP our pick)...in my opinion.

Most don't want to hear that kind of talk, although I would love to see the Pistons make a real run at that #4-#6 seed (where some analysts projected this team would end up). People will point to a tougher schedule the 2nd half, but it isn't like finishing ahead of the 7th seed is impossible.

With a revised rotation and possibly a trade, this team could get better in a hurry. A 6th or 7th pick in the draft probably gives us another teenager to try and finish raising. Living at the top of the lottery hasn't produced a title for a number of teams.

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To those that want the Pistons to tank the season, they are only 3.5 games out of the #5 seed and only 4.5 games out of the #4 seed. You don't think this team, with the right coach, can beat Toronto, Washington, Atlanta, etc in the first round of the playoffs? A good coach, a first round win and playoff experience is a helluva lot better than tanking and getting an unproven player in the draft (if we even get to KEEP our pick)...in my opinion.

It depends on whether you think that Smith, Drummond and Jennings are good enough to form the nucleus of a team as good as you want it to be over next few years or if you think at least one of these guys has enough limitations that can't coached out of him that we need one more 1st rounder before the talent is enough to have a winner. And probably not even possible yet to predict what Drummond's ceiling is going to be.

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Plus the NBA draft is much easier to assess than the NFL draft.

We can agree to disagree on this one.

Let me assess 21-24 year-old athletes that have been through years and years of the best S&C programs in the country any day before trying to predict how well a teenager is going to be able to transition to playing an 82-105 game NBA schedule.

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It depends on whether you think that Smith, Drummond and Jennings are good enough to form the nucleus of a team as good as you want it to be over next few years or if you think at least one of these guys has enough limitations that can't coached out of him that we need one more 1st rounder before the talent is enough to have a winner. And probably not even possible yet to predict what Drummond's ceiling is going to be.

Why not acquire a former first-rounder who is coming off his rookie contract to put with them? You don't have to draft everyone to win, as we already drafted in Drummond arguably the hardest piece to attain--the cornerstone big.

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Obvious move. Cheeks should never have been hired - for this roster especially - as most of us said from the start.

The real question is how long does Joe get to keep hiding behind coaches. How is this simple game still working?

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It depends on whether you think that Smith, Drummond and Jennings are good enough to form the nucleus of a team as good as you want it to be over next few years or if you think at least one of these guys has enough limitations that can't coached out of him that we need one more 1st rounder before the talent is enough to have a winner. And probably not even possible yet to predict what Drummond's ceiling is going to be.

But if the Pistons make it up to the 4-6 seed, we may be able to attract a quality free agent in the offseason. Gordon Hayward would be a great addition. He'd be better than anybody the Pistons could get in the draft.

Edited: I just read that Hayward will be a restricted free agent, so the Jazz could match any offer (and likely would). But, the point remains that the Pistons would be seen as a team on the rise at the 4-6 seed and higher quality free agents may look this way.

Edited by azzurri

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But if the Pistons make it up to the 4-6 seed, we may be able to attract a quality free agent in the offseason. Gordon Hayward would be a great addition. He'd be better than anybody the Pistons could get in the draft.

Attracting a quality free agent to Detroit depends on how much cap space Detroit has, not on whether they are a middling playoff team.

How many great free agents have signed with the Atlanta Hawks or the Memphis Grizzlies? Those teams are always 4-6 seeds in the playoffs.

Much better to get three or four top lottery picks and build for the future from within. Establish a foundation for a winning team rather than hope you can buy one. We aren't the Miami Heat, we can't land LeBron James in free agency.

Dumars/Gores scuttled a solid foundation by trading a pick with Ben Gordon and then signing Smith and trading for Jennings all in an effort to lose in the first round of the playoffs this year rather than having a little patience which might have resulted in a team that didn't lose in the first round of the playoffs for a long long time.

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But if the Pistons make it up to the 4-6 seed, we may be able to attract a quality free agent in the offseason. Gordon Hayward would be a great addition. He'd be better than anybody the Pistons could get in the draft.

Edited: I just read that Hayward will be a restricted free agent, so the Jazz could match any offer (and likely would). But, the point remains that the Pistons would be seen as a team on the rise at the 4-6 seed and higher quality free agents may look this way.

With the way Burks has played when he's replaced Hayward in the lineup, I don't think the Jazz match all offers at this point. But who knows? The Jazz have a lot of incongruent parts, too, just not as bad as the Pistons.

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Attracting a quality free agent to Detroit depends on how much cap space Detroit has, not on whether they are a middling playoff team.

How many great free agents have signed with the Atlanta Hawks or the Memphis Grizzlies? Those teams are always 4-6 seeds in the playoffs.

Much better to get three or four top lottery picks and build for the future from within. Establish a foundation for a winning team rather than hope you can buy one. We aren't the Miami Heat, we can't land LeBron James in free agency.

Dumars/Gores scuttled a solid foundation by trading a pick with Ben Gordon and then signing Smith and trading for Jennings all in an effort to lose in the first round of the playoffs this year rather than having a little patience which might have resulted in a team that didn't lose in the first round of the playoffs for a long long time.

We don't necessarily need a top-five player, we need a player that can make the team a cohesive, competitive, professional and more complete group.

Memphis and ATL never got that player.

We need a professional, shooting wing that plays defense to put on the wing to balance the offense. Sure, Harden or Durant would be great. But would adding Hayward make the Pistons a much better team? Sure, so would a lesser player like Gerald Green.

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Making the playoffs in a ****** east does absolutely nothing for me unless Dumars is fired.

Edited by Omaha Piston

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So the Pistons are apparently hot to hire Lionel Hollins, a button-down former non-scoring point guard, as coach, to replace Mo Cheeks, who replaced Lawrence Frank, a button-down former non-scoring point guard, as coach, who replaced John Kuester, a button-down former non-scoring point guard, as coach, who replaced Michael Curry, a button-down former non-scoring point guard, as coach, who replaced Flip Saunders, a button-down former non-scoring wing guard, as coach, who replaced Larry Brown, a button-down former non-scoring point guard, as coach, who replaced Rick Carlisle, a button-down former non-scoring wing guard, as coach, who replaced George Irvine, a button-down former non-scoring big gumpy forward, as coach, who replaced Alvin Gentry, a button-down former non-scoring point guard, as coach, who replaced Doug Collins, a button-down former scoring wing guard, as coach, who replaced Don Chaney, a button-down former non-scoring point guard, as coach, who replaced Ron Rothstein, a button-down former non-scoring point guard, as coach, who replaced Chuck Daly.

I seem to be spotting a pattern here. A certain lack of imagination.

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