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Android has a solution with Touchdown. You can sync email and calender among other things. But the lock code employers require only locks down the app rather than phone. So the worst thing they can do is wipe Touchdown related stuff. I use another app that is something like Touchdown. Also if you know you are leaving the company, you could always remove the sync in advance so they can't wipe your phone.

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Using Your iPhone for Work? Bringing Your Own Device Might Mean Losing Your Data Later - WSJ.com

It would tick me off to have an employer remotely wipe my personal telephone without my consent or knowledge.

So those who do use their smart phones, tablets, or whatever for work, beware and read the fine print!

Microsoft Exchange. This has always been true for Exchange systems, if your phone connects to an exchange server at all, your device is wide open to your company sysadmin. This has been the case since the 1st I-phone. BYOD is a nice idea, but what it really means is just that you get to buy both of the phones you carry.

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How far we have come. I recall my company offering me a nextel, the ones that chirped and annoyed anyone around them. I declined as I had my personal phone. "But we might need to get in touch when you are not here". My reply was call me and I might answer, otherwise I'll be back when my shift starts. "But, but" I never used their phone.

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Not if you use Touchdown or Moxier Mail on Android.

I wasn't very precise in the earlier post - I was only talking about Iphone. So are TD and MM full featured exchange clients for Android without the admin tunnel? That would definitely be a better way to go than what IPhone users have to deal with.

Happily, I got out of the Exchange world when I left my previous employer.

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Touchdown is also available for iOS now. But I don't know anything about it on that platform. BTW.....

http://www.nitrodesk.com/Security.html

Remote Data Wipe

In the event of a device being lost, stolen or the employee being let go, it is possible for the administrator or the employees themselves to perform a remote wipe of the sensitive corporate data. What makes our users love TouchDown Remote Wipe is that one can choose to only wipe corporate information selectively. Since the enterprise can only claim ownership of the data synchronized from its servers, only this information will be wiped, allowing the user to retain their personal data - especially critical in a BYOD environment. Performing a full device wipe in some situations can have catastrophic consequences, both from a personal perspective of the end user as well as from a legal perspective on the corporation. Employees increasingly resist the idea of the corporation asserting control over their personal data and TouchDown provides employees with the comfort of knowing that the employer cannot introspect, edit or destroy any personally owned information on their device.

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My husband's employer collected their company blackberries a long time ago. Honestly, most of them who were required to carry the devices were glad to see them go because it was a hassle to carry two cell phones everywhere.

But he never has used his personal blackberry or subsequent iphone for company business, apart from the fact that they have his cell number on file. As he sees it, if his VP or SVP or one of his employees has something urgent, they can just call or text him and, if necessary, he can remotely access his work desktop from his laptop.

He hated that work blackberry pinging him all day with e-mails and notifications, probably 95% of which were just fyi stuff and not urgent.

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Touchdown is also available for iOS now. But I don't know anything about it on that platform. BTW.....

NitroDesk Security

Remote Data Wipe

In the event of a device being lost, stolen or the employee being let go, it is possible for the administrator or the employees themselves to perform a remote wipe of the sensitive corporate data. What makes our users love TouchDown Remote Wipe is that one can choose to only wipe corporate information selectively. Since the enterprise can only claim ownership of the data synchronized from its servers, only this information will be wiped, allowing the user to retain their personal data - especially critical in a BYOD environment. Performing a full device wipe in some situations can have catastrophic consequences, both from a personal perspective of the end user as well as from a legal perspective on the corporation. Employees increasingly resist the idea of the corporation asserting control over their personal data and TouchDown provides employees with the comfort of knowing that the employer cannot introspect, edit or destroy any personally owned information on their device.

The article notes that the technology is there. The issue now is getting employers to go that route, and it may be lawsuits and other employee pressure that encourages them to spent the money on it. Most companies are tight fisted right now, trying to do everything on the cheap.

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I could easily live without a corporate sync. The key for me is where personal appointments need to be worked around work appointments. So I also keep a calendar on my phone that combines both.

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How far we have come. I recall my company offering me a nextel, the ones that chirped and annoyed anyone around them. I declined as I had my personal phone. "But we might need to get in touch when you are not here". My reply was call me and I might answer, otherwise I'll be back when my shift starts. "But, but" I never used their phone.

Well if you haven't retired yet then get ready for a comeback because Sprint is bringing them back quite possibly.

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Well if you haven't retired yet then get ready for a comeback because Sprint is bringing them back quite possibly.

I hope they work better than their "Direct Connect" technology. The company I work part time for is using that since Nextel is no longer. The problem is too many people and not enough bandwidth on the phones to work properly.

Gives new meaning to the phrase "Can you hear me now"

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How far we have come. I recall my company offering me a nextel, the ones that chirped and annoyed anyone around them. I declined as I had my personal phone. "But we might need to get in touch when you are not here". My reply was call me and I might answer, otherwise I'll be back when my shift starts. "But, but" I never used their phone.

I have a Nextel for a while. There were a few things that were nice about them. In certain industries the PTT (Push To Talk) was a great thing. It was sorta like a walkie-talkie built into a phone. And if I remember correctly the PTT minutes were separate and more generous than the regular cell minutes. This made it great for things like construction.

In some ways it was like a precursor to texting. Short, one-at-a-time conversations.

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I just hate how companies seem to be acting like they own people. They don't.

Well, honestly, I blame the phone companies in part for the way this "wipe" is setup. The company is looking at it as needing a way to prevent an employee from "stealing" company information. If an employee have a lot of confidential data on his/her phone that company needs to have a way to purge this remotely in the case of any employee who is fired.

The problem is that there should be a way to do this (ie, Touchdown for Android) with out wiping all the personal data an employee has on their own personal phone. If a third party can create a program that can do this, why can't Google or Apple or Windows do it?

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My company allows BYOD and it does state that it has the right to do this when you leave . I don't know anyone that has actually had it done though.

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Well, honestly, I blame the phone companies in part for the way this "wipe" is setup. The company is looking at it as needing a way to prevent an employee from "stealing" company information. If an employee have a lot of confidential data on his/her phone that company needs to have a way to purge this remotely in the case of any employee who is fired.

The problem is that there should be a way to do this (ie, Touchdown for Android) with out wiping all the personal data an employee has on their own personal phone. If a third party can create a program that can do this, why can't Google or Apple or Windows do it?

Was it the phone companies, or was it Apple building a feature into IOS that would help make the I-phone an easier choice for business IT managers to support?

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I wasn't really clear there... I meant the phone software companies... ie, Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc. I meant that they should be able to setup a "wipe" that wipes the corporate email/contacts/calendar information without wiping personal information from the phone.

As Walt indicated above, there is a program called Touchdown (from Nitrodesk: Nitrodesk, Inc) which works this way. It connects to the corporate exchange. When the wipe command is sent Touchdown wipes all the corporate data it has, but it doesn't wipe the rest of the phone. If Nitrodesk can write this, why can't Apple, Google, or Microsoft do this?

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I wasn't really clear there... I meant the phone software companies... ie, Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc. I meant that they should be able to setup a "wipe" that wipes the corporate email/contacts/calendar information without wiping personal information from the phone.

As Walt indicated above, there is a program called Touchdown (from Nitrodesk: Nitrodesk, Inc) which works this way. It connects to the corporate exchange. When the wipe command is sent Touchdown wipes all the corporate data it has, but it doesn't wipe the rest of the phone. If Nitrodesk can write this, why can't Apple, Google, or Microsoft do this?

But your assuming the customer (in the form of the corporate IT dept) doesn't want it the way it is. What guarantee is there that the user hasn't moved critical corporate data out of the exchange system and into some directory hierarchy of his own choosing (something I did all the time for a variety of reasons)

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They can only wipe your phone if you are using it for business. The simple solution is to let your employer provide you a second phone, if they need you to have it for business purposes. I guess that means you might have two phones. It's not that big of a deal. A lot of people that I have worked with carry two phones for this exact reason.

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They can only wipe your phone if you are using it for business. The simple solution is to let your employer provide you a second phone, if they need you to have it for business purposes. I guess that means you might have two phones. It's not that big of a deal. A lot of people that I have worked with carry two phones for this exact reason.

Exactly. If they want me to use a phone for business when I'm not at my desk - buy me one - if you wont'; stick it. Their stuff ain't going on my personal phone.

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I wasn't really clear there... I meant the phone software companies... ie, Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc. I meant that they should be able to setup a "wipe" that wipes the corporate email/contacts/calendar information without wiping personal information from the phone.

As Walt indicated above, there is a program called Touchdown (from Nitrodesk: Nitrodesk, Inc) which works this way. It connects to the corporate exchange. When the wipe command is sent Touchdown wipes all the corporate data it has, but it doesn't wipe the rest of the phone. If Nitrodesk can write this, why can't Apple, Google, or Microsoft do this?

No I didn't.

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In healthcare HIPAA comes into play. Someone steals your phone and you just happen to have medical record numbers on it. Very bad.

/channeling Walt.......Ummmmmmmm,

Walt you can probably root/rom your way around this I suppose.

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