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I think people need to be careful of wishing for Jim Harbaugh. Would it provide a huge shot in the arm for the program? Absolutely. Would it fire up recruiting? Probably. Would it last long term? I'm not sure. He's worn out his welcome in SF, by all accounts. Now, would that be different in college? Probably, but I think it would have to be the right situation for him at UM-the right administration in terms of an AD, etc. I think there is so much pressure on the school to get him that if they don't, the fan base is going to be incredibly disappointed. Tough spot to be in.

Yeah - which is worse: You don't hire JH and the guy you do hire can't live up success everyone assumes JH would have achieved, or you DO hire JH and he can't possibly live up the expectations that have built up around his hire.

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Harbaugh built Stanford into a powerhouse on autopilot until Shaw started to destroy it with his own players this season. He'd do the same at U of M.

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It's a different administration with Schlissel and Hackett in charge so I don't see how the past decisions of different people impact anything.

Its an athletic department and university rife with internal divisions and a lack of vision other than $$$$$. I'll believe michigan will make the right decision when i see it. Theyve squandered 40 years of goodwill in less than a decade. I have no faith in them to make the right decision.

schissel is breaking out the old "balance between academics and athletics" stuff again? I know you come from the ivy league where sports dont really exist, but this is the big time. "Athletic academic balance is for schools that choose not to really compete. Please dont turn michigan into cal or northwestern.

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schissel is breaking out the old "balance between academics and athletics" stuff again? I know you come from the ivy league where sports dont really exist, but this is the big time. "Athletic academic balance is for schools that choose not to really compete. Please dont turn michigan into cal or northwestern.

One of the primary paradigms at M is the concept of 'peer institutions' The University does a lot of benchmarking and process comparison between itself and what it regards as its 'peers'. And I think you have exactly identified a difficult issue. Unless Stanford or NW happens to be winning, M doesn't see any of its peer institutions winning in Div I football so doesn't have a process for modelling how to learn how to do it again. M is not very open internally to copying processes from non AAU schools where most of the winning is taking place today. Of course the exception is OSU, but OSU runs its FB more like an SEC school than a B10 or Pac10 school.

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If you wouldn't take Harbaugh turning the program around and then bolting at this point I don't even know what to say.

I'd be quite content to have one good season again and then have to roll the dice on a new coach than having to roll the dice on a new coach after a solid 8 years of mediocrity at best which is where we are now.

If not for Denard Robinson, a strong defensive line, and some luck in Hoke's first year, 2006 would be the last time the program was in any way nationally relevant.

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Its an athletic department and university rife with internal divisions and a lack of vision other than $$$$$. I'll believe michigan will make the right decision when i see it. Theyve squandered 40 years of goodwill in less than a decade. I have no faith in them to make the right decision.

schissel is breaking out the old "balance between academics and athletics" stuff again? I know you come from the ivy league where sports dont really exist, but this is the big time. "Athletic academic balance is for schools that choose not to really compete. Please dont turn michigan into cal or northwestern.

I don't think anyone knows anymore if they are still a university and athletic department without vision. Its a completely new administration so its too early to say. I think Schissel's end goal is to be the Stanford of the Midwest. Harbaugh built a powerhouse football program there and they also had a top notch athletic department across sports in addition to the top entrepreneurial university in the world; which happens to blend right into their local community. They are the pinnacle of the academic + athletic balance.

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If you wouldn't take Harbaugh turning the program around and then bolting at this point I don't even know what to say.

I'd be quite content to have one good season again and then have to roll the dice on a new coach than having to roll the dice on a new coach after a solid 8 years of mediocrity at best which is where we are now.

If not for Denard Robinson, a strong defensive line, and some luck in Hoke's first year, 2006 would be the last time the program was in any way nationally relevant.

Yes, I'm with you a billion percent. I'm not a Harbaugh fan necessarily but if he can get this program into BCS contention for a couple of years that's light years beyond anything we've seen in a long, long time.

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I don't think anyone knows anymore if they are still a university and athletic department without vision. Its a completely new administration so its too early to say. I think Schissel's end goal is to be the Stanford of the Midwest. Harbaugh built a powerhouse football program there and they also had a top notch athletic department across sports in addition to the top entrepreneurial university in the world; which happens to blend right into their local community. They are the pinnacle of the academic + athletic balance.

The latest rumors all over the net are that they might hire Hackett full time. Another non-athletic director/private sector CEO put in charge of an athletic department rather than going to hire a real AD. But he went to Michigan so he's qualified...

IF they do that, will you change your mind on the competency of the new Administration?

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The fact that Hackett has similar credentials as brandon doesn't bother me in the slightest.

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That being said, I would prefer that they hire an established AD. But that also seems like something that can wait until this summer or next.

No matter what they do, it won't be done in time to fire hoke on Monday.

I really think the AD hire, whoever it ends up being, is highly likely to be irrelevant.

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That being said, I would prefer that they hire an established AD. But that also seems like something that can wait until this summer or next.

No matter what they do, it won't be done in time to fire hoke on Monday.

I really think the AD hire, whoever it ends up being, is highly likely to be irrelevant.

More and more the high visibility "top of the food chain" jobs at big Universities are all trending toward fund raising being the most important task and all the actual nuts and bolts work gets done by the 'civil service' below. As long as the top guy/figure head lets the 'professional' class that work for him do their jobs (unlike Brandon), I don't think it matters either.

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More and more the high visibility "top of the food chain" jobs at big Universities are all trending toward fund raising being the most important task and all the actual nuts and bolts work gets done by the 'civil service' below. As long as the top guy/figure head lets the 'professional' class that work for him do their jobs (unlike Brandon), I don't think it matters either.

Your comment makes alot of sense. I heard that Brandon was universally hated within the department. He cleaned house and put in his own people but then didn't exactly make friends with the "civil service" that he hired. It has also been noted that alot of those professionals that had been let go had been around a very long time and knew how to do things effectively within the department. The new group didn't.

Whatever happens, this is going to be a very, very interesting several weeks around the Michigan football program.

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Hiring hackett full time would be another mistake, imo.

He's not an athletic director. They should hire someone with experience in running a successful athletic department, not just someone who is rich who went to michigan.

Hackett would be another political appointee who wont offend too many regents who can glad hand and raise money. I suspect it is not hard to raise money from rich michigan alums. I suspect it is more difficult to run an athletic department competently.

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Hiring hackett full time would be another mistake, imo.

He's not an athletic director. They should hire someone with experience in running a successful athletic department, not just someone who is rich who went to michigan.

Hackett would be another political appointee who wont offend too many regents who can glad hand and raise money. I suspect it is not hard to raise money from rich michigan alums. I suspect it is more difficult to run an athletic department competently.

However, the sad truth is that if you do enough of the former, the people who make decisions will forgive you a lot of incompetence at the latter - As the experience with Brandon demonstrated. .....:ponder:

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I don't think athletic directors are all that involved in "competing."

The only competitive thing they do is hire coaches. That's kind of a pass fail thing.

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I don't think athletic directors are all that involved in "competing."

The only competitive thing they do is hire coaches. That's kind of a pass fail thing.

That's not the only thing athletic directors do.

Lets get one who has successfully managed a department. Seems a pretty simple thing to do, no?

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That's not the only thing athletic directors do.

Lets get one who has successfully managed a department. Seems a pretty simple thing to do, no?

But how does the other other things he does have an effect on how competitive the football team is? (and let's be real, that's all that matters; basketball is in perfectly good hands)

Anyway, I said before I would prefer they hire a guy with AD experience. I just don't think a failure to do so will have any measurable effect on the football team's performance, unless they totally botch the hiring of the new coach, which is a distinct possibility. Then again, athletic directors have been known to make bad hires, too. Being an experienced one doesn't exactly guarantee anything.

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I got a bunch of stuff done around the house early today, so I decided to catch the end of some football games. Both announcer teams on ABC & FOX seemed to go out of their way to talk glowingly about Rich Rod, & what an incredible football coach & man he is. "He's had success everywhere...except Michigan....& that wasn't his fault. It was taken away from him."

Please. I realize there were off the field things going on, but nothing was taken from him. He lost games. A lot of them. His defense was historically bad. That's why he was let go.

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I got a bunch of stuff done around the house early today, so I decided to catch the end of some football games. Both announcer teams on ABC & FOX seemed to go out of their way to talk glowingly about Rich Rod, & what an incredible football coach & man he is. "He's had success everywhere...except Michigan....& that wasn't his fault. It was taken away from him."

Please. I realize there were off the field things going on, but nothing was taken from him. He lost games. A lot of them. His defense was historically bad. That's why he was let go.

He may be a better coach today for having failed at M, I don't see his team at the bottom of the defensive rankings anymore (though they are still hardly great). Like I said about Hoke somewhere earlier, you can bet in his next gig he is going to recruit the QB position a lot harder.

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I got a bunch of stuff done around the house early today, so I decided to catch the end of some football games. Both announcer teams on ABC & FOX seemed to go out of their way to talk glowingly about Rich Rod, & what an incredible football coach & man he is. "He's had success everywhere...except Michigan....& that wasn't his fault. It was taken away from him."

Please. I realize there were off the field things going on, but nothing was taken from him. He lost games. A lot of them. His defense was historically bad. That's why he was let go.

His biggest failing was his horrible defenses, but he also had no support from the blue-hairs (?), a bs freep investigation, and the previous HC actively encouraging players to transfer. And he had a pretty good talent base that went 10-2 the year after he left.

It was a hideous 4 years but i don't think anyone would say not that they'd rather have had Hoke than RR the last 4.

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