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His velocity dipped a lot last year which made him rely on his slider more. His numbers didn't suffer but it's something to keep an eye on if the increased slider usage ends up effecting him.

Right, he did throw more sliders. At his age, you have to take it one year at a time anyway. Unlike Percival, his performance did not decline though.

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The deep relief market will keep Benoit's cost down.

I still think he gets a 2 year deal at 6-7M per.

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He was originally signed at 5.5 per so that wouldn't be that bad of a deal.

Agree, that's a fair deal for Benoit and maybe a little low. I still wonder if the Tigers would be better off signing to guys in the 3-4M range, if that is even possible.

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Agree, that's a fair deal for Benoit and maybe a little low. I still wonder if the Tigers would be better off signing to guys in the 3-4M range, if that is even possible.

Jose Veras?

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Jose Veras?

Would like to try and get two out of: Crain, Bailey, Axford, K-Rod, Howell, Logan... And I'm probably missing a name or two. Veras wouldn't be a bad addition on a 1 year deal in the 2M range. A decent 2nd arm to add.

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Percival started to decline before they even signed him. I think they were just hoping to squeeze out one solid year out of him before he broke down. Nathan is showing very little indication of decline.

Thanks. I was going to ask this same question to which the above is the response. I'm glad I scanned the thread first.

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In the Nathan presser, DD says that Benoit will not be back. He's looking for a closer gig and money and will probably get it. He also sees Rondon as being ready for a setup role.

Even if a healthy Rondon can be counted on, still think the Tigers need at least one more solid arm in the pen. Should be some bargains out there, hope it is not ignored again.

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Joe Nathan terms: $9M in '14, $10M in '15, $10M option in '16 w/ $1M buyout.. $20M total guaranteed

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Ok, not happy with the DD trade but this is a very good contract. Hindsight may prove this was a bad deal but you can say that about any deal. I didn't expect us to get Benoit for such a favorable contract, let alone Nathan.

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So if Dave is saying Benoit is telling the Tigers he wants to be a closer, this puts to rest that talk last year of him being afraid/not wanting to close.

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In the Nathan presser, DD says that Benoit will not be back. He's looking for a closer gig and money and will probably get it. He also sees Rondon as being ready for a setup role.

Even if a healthy Rondon can be counted on, still think the Tigers need at least one more solid arm in the pen. Should be some bargains out there, hope it is not ignored again.

I couldn't agree more. It's pretty obvious the Tigers strength was/is our SP, but other teams figured that out really quick. Make the SP throw 100+ pitches by the 6th inning or so and then beat up on our BP. During the season this wasn't as much of a problem as it was during the playoffs. We need, really need, a shut down BP, no matter which inning we talk about. Now with Smyly in the rotation and Nathan as our closer, we need some arms for the 7th and 8th innings. Counting on anyone already on our roster may be a mistake but I guess we'll see. It's only December 4th so there's plenty of time to get some more arms, a 3rd baseman and a left fielder. Sure would have been nice to fill some, if not all, of those holes in the Fister trade. :confused:

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I couldn't agree more. It's pretty obvious the Tigers strength was/is our SP, but other teams figured that out really quick. Make the SP throw 100+ pitches by the 6th inning or so and then beat up on our BP. During the season this wasn't as much of a problem as it was during the playoffs. We need, really need, a shut down BP, no matter which inning we talk about. Now with Smyly in the rotation and Nathan as our closer, we need some arms for the 7th and 8th innings. Counting on anyone already on our roster may be a mistake but I guess we'll see. It's only December 4th so there's plenty of time to get some more arms, a 3rd baseman and a left fielder. Sure would have been nice to fill some, if not all, of those holes in the Fister trade. :confused:

Dombrowski said Castellanos is going to be the 3B and they did address the bullpen with Krol.

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So if Dave is saying Benoit is telling the Tigers he wants to be a closer, this puts to rest that talk last year of him being afraid/not wanting to close.

Or he wants to maximize is his next contract by saying he is a closer. I don't think he wanted to close until his agent stepped in and told him he would be wise to close.

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Dombrowski said Castellanos is going to be the 3B and they did address the bullpen with Krol.

What DD says and what really happens isn't always correct.

Sizemore was our 2nd baseman?

Rondon was our closer?

How did that work out for us? Krol may be an arm for the BP but he's young and pitched in the National League so I would have some arms on the roster as a back up plan. Ease Krol into a new league.

Look, the Tigers are built to win the next 2 seasons. It would be a shame if we didn't address our needs because we thought they were covered by unproven players. Miggy to 1st base? Sure, I have no problem with that. But we'll need a decent fielding 3rd baseman who has some pop in his bat. Not a Don Kelly clone. Same thing for LF. Dirks may have just had a down year and lost his confidence. But to not have a back up plan is pretty scary. And, IMO, we need to sign (or trade for) at least 2 quality arms for the BP. Coke, Al Al and the rest of the AAAA arms from last year? We already know what they bring and it's not pretty. And again IMO, BP arms seem like the hardest thing to figure out. Some years certain arms seem unhittable and the next year they blow up in your face. I guess there's a certain amount of luck involved in building a BP.

Then there's the unknown, a manager who has never managed. I don't care how smart he is, look at what's happening with Jason Kidd. I know, different sport but it's an example of an inexperienced coach/manager who is learning on the fly. Maybe we'll be happy we have G. Lamont around? It sounds crazy but he may help the transition.

And don't get me started on the Fister deal. As others have pointed out, the Tigers got pretty lucky last season by only using 6 starting pitchers all season. Smyly being ineffective or not used to such a heavy workload is a very real possibility. It would surprise me if we get 160innings from him. Who will we be using if we have to go 7 or 8 SP deep, which is always a possibility. Alvarez and then who?

It's still very, very early in the off-season so there's time to address these spots. And later in the off-season, many players won't be signed and we may end up with some quality players who need a home. It happens every season, we'll just have to wait and see.

And it will be great in 2015 when Robbie Ray wins the ROY and Cy Young awards. It will make the Fister deal look like a steal for Detroit.

<rant over>

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He never said rondon would be the closer.

actually thinking that Rondon can be a big asset if he can only stay healthy. He looked to me like he was figuring things out nicely just about when he went down.

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actually thinking that Rondon can be a big asset if he can only stay healthy. He looked to me like he was figuring things out nicely just about when he went down.

Yep, I still think if he didn't get hurt at the end of the year we very well could have been the ones having the championship parade. He was looking unhittable down the stretch. If he can be healthy all year and pitch like he is capable of that is another solid bullpen piece that we didn't have last year.

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Dombrowski said Castellanos is going to be the 3B and they did address the bullpen with Krol.

And really, these aren't that great of options, imo. Luckily we have Ausmus, he should get the most out of his players.

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I think Castellanos is a pretty damn good option. We've all been talking about him taking over about now for years. Its time for him to get a shot.

Krol is a Smyly replacement at most though, so we need more. Getting Rondon back will be key and I still think AA can improve and be very effective. Putkonen will be plenty effective in lower leverage situations. We need one more lefty IMO, ideally a very good one. One to two arms overall.

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Really, you either start Casty or you trade him. You either start Smyly or you trade him. They have to get thrown into the fire at some point, or traded, or there's no point in having them.

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