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Or Casey Crosby. But Robbie Ray is a good prospect. But we need 3-4 Robbie Rays in our system to = 1 Doug Fister in 3-4 years. And we did not get 3-4 Robbie Rays in this trade. Which is why this trade was garbage.

Thining of that.....this trade kind of reminds me of the outlast that came out of the Victor Zambrano for Scott Kazmir trade. That one turned out pretty bad for the Mets.

speaking of the Mets, think of what they got for Dickey and think of how little we got for Fister.

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Don't DD's best trades usually net established players, not prospects? I'm having trouble thinking of any notable prospects he has acquired that turned into solid players.

Only Austin Jackson and Max Scherzer. No big deal.

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Putting the arb $$ that they saved aside as an issue, you still need to get performance-for-performance on some level. Krol seems like he can add value in the BP right away (good) and Ray may be a legit prospect, but a quality LOOGY is simply not the equivalent of a quality SP, and Ray hopes to be as good as Fister already is sometime in the future.

And Lombardozzi....ugh.

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Only Austin Jackson and Max Scherzer. No big deal.

Scherzer doesn't count. He had a very good rookie season in Arizona prior to Detroit getting him.

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Don't DD's best trades usually net established players, not prospects? I'm having trouble thinking of any notable prospects he has acquired that turned into solid players.

Austin Jackson turned into an mlb regular.

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Putting the arb $$ that they saved aside as an issue, you still need to get performance-for-performance on some level. Krol seems like he can add value in the BP right away (good) and Ray may be a legit prospect, but a quality LOOGY is simply not the equivalent of a quality SP, and Ray hopes to be as good as Fister already is sometime in the future.

And Lombardozzi....ugh.

They had to convert mlb talent to young prospect talent, though.

It's not necessarily true that they needed performance for performance. Smyly can arguably replace fister's performance, and kroll can replace smyly. Ray is on top of that.

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The only real justification for this trade is that we value Ray to be the equivalent of a Top 20 prospect. If so, it *might* be justifiable, but I'd still argue we should have gotten more.

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The market for SP is fairly abundant, which probably didn't help upgrade DD's return.

Tanaka, Colon Garza, Ubaldo and Santana on the FA market. Price, Samardzija and Brett Anderson on trade market.

Not saying DD should have made the trade unless he was truly satisfied with the return, but I am saying that with this much pitching on the market, it's far less likely to get a team to overpay as KC did for Shields or Texas did for Garza.

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Ray is a very good prospect. But he wasn't enough to net Fister. If Shields landed TB Shields+, we should have gotten much more for Fister.

I don't understand the timing above all else. What was the hurry? Why not wait until the winter meetings? I find it really hard to believe this trade wouldn't still have been on the table at that point. Hell, I'd have ridden this thing out until January, when someone would have gotten desperate to add pitching and potentially given us a much better return.

Or we would have been desperate to trade a starter and settled for less or been forced to hold six starters again.

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Or we would have been desperate to trade a starter and settled for less or been forced to hold six starters again.

Even then, do you really think the return would have been that much worse for Fister? And what's the harm in holding six starters again, especially given the state of the bullpen?

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Some of Dombrowski's comments on the conference call with media are baffling. All courtesy of Tony Paul:

#Tigers Dave Dombrowski says team had no rotation depth outside of Smyly. That's why they targeted Ray, who's "knocking on the door."

Well, if they kept Fister and Smyly, then there's your rotation depth. Now you have Smyly and Ray?

Dombrowski just said you can't judge Lombardozzi based on his limited action ... like 723 plate appearances the last two years?
Lots of questions asked on teleconference, including "Are you cutting payroll" and "Where's the value." Plenty to write about.
#Tigers Dombrowski: "We are not cutting payroll." Has said 10 times team is not done; closer top priority, "then we'll go from there."

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Some of Dombrowski's comments on the conference call with media are baffling. All courtesy of Tony Paul:

Well, if they kept Fister and Smyly, then there's your rotation depth. Now you have Smyly and Ray?

The Tigers have no pitching depth in the minors. They have a great rotation but an injury can be really devastating.

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Some of Dombrowski's comments on the conference call with media are baffling. All courtesy of Tony Paul:

Well, if they kept Fister and Smyly, then there's your rotation depth. Now you have Smyly and Ray?

A bunch of BS from Dombrowski.

Choo or Ellsbury better be coming.

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When Smyly is being counted on as a key RP, he's not really rotation depth, as we saw last year, when Anibal hit the DL and Smyly stayed in the pen.

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Even then, do you really think the return would have been that much worse for Fister? And what's the harm in holding six starters again, especially given the state of the bullpen?

If teams knew we were desperate, the return may have very well been worse. Or the teams willing to trade a legit SP prospect for two years of a mlb SP may have dried up.

And the harm in carrying six starters is wasting the value of one of them in the bullpen. That surplus value has been converted into a good prospect.

I was expecting a return like this all along. A 2015 SP prospect and a 2014 bullpen arm. Lombardozzi is a throw in and not worth discussing.

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The Tigers have no pitching depth in the minors. They have a great rotation but an injury can be really devastating.

They have just as much depth now as they did before the trade. Before they had Porcello/Smyly/Fister. Now they have Ray/Porcello/Smyly. What's the difference?

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A bunch of BS from Dombrowski.

Choo or Ellsbury better be coming.

I don't want either. Wrong side of their careers, too expensive.

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The way DD talked up Ray in his conference call, I think they view him as a legit top prospect who will start this year when a starter goes on the DL and then be a full-time starter in 2015 if Scherzer leaves.

Kroll replaces Smyly in the pen, Smyly will be an above average starter and Porcello will get better to offset Fister's loss, and Lomberdozzi is a super utility guy who they feel is still young enough to improve quite a bit. That's the tone of the presser anyway. Plus, they will still get a closer (not cutting payroll).

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