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Jim Leyland - Best Tigers Manager All - Time?

Is Jim Leyland the Best Tigers Manager of All-Time?  

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  1. 1. Is Jim Leyland the Best Tigers Manager of All-Time?

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I think a WS really cements him as GOAT. There is no Tiger manager with more than one WS win, and there is only one other guy who made three trips to the WS. He'd be the only manager with three WS appearances + a WS win.

Yeah, he's got some great players and that helps, but can't this be said about most successful managers?

Sparky and Lou, Tram, and Morris, not to mention Gibson, Parrish and others.

Smith had Kaline, Lolich, and McLain.

Cochrane had himself, Greenberg, and Gehringer.

Jennings had Cobb among others.

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Does anyone else constantly find themselves googling acronyms on a daily basis when visiting this site? What happened to just writing something out?

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Billy Martin was the best, hands down....

maybe the best short-term manager, but long term he abused pitchers and alienated players in general.

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Does anyone else constantly find themselves googling acronyms on a daily basis when visiting this site? What happened to just writing something out?

GOML

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Sarah Jessica Parker doesn't have the beautiful, computer-generated clone look people are used to, but I think she's pretty hot. I got tired of her character on Sex and the City, though. She was great on A Year in the Life, early on in her career.

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Sarah Jessica Parker doesn't have the beautiful, computer-generated clone look people are used to, but I think she's pretty hot. I got tired of her character on Sex and the City, though. She was great on A Year in the Life, early on in her career.

I liked her in honeymoon in Vegas. I have never really watched Sex in the City.

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I think a WS really cements him as GOAT. There is no Tiger manager with more than one WS win, and there is only one other guy who made three trips to the WS. He'd be the only manager with three WS appearances + a WS win.

Yeah, he's got some great players and that helps, but can't this be said about most successful managers?

Sparky and Lou, Tram, and Morris, not to mention Gibson, Parrish and others.

Smith had Kaline, Lolich, and McLain.

Cochrane had himself, Greenberg, and Gehringer.

Jennings had Cobb among others.

It's easier to make the playoffs now than it was in the past and his three trips to the WS are slightly less impressive due to that.

I don't see a particularly huge difference between Sparky and Leyland but I'd pick Sparky because he was roughly as successful with a slightly less talent. But the talent difference isn't huge so the gap isn't huge IMO.

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I think a WS really cements him as GOAT. There is no Tiger manager with more than one WS win, and there is only one other guy who made three trips to the WS. He'd be the only manager with three WS appearances + a WS win.

Yeah, he's got some great players and that helps, but can't this be said about most successful managers?

Sparky and Lou, Tram, and Morris, not to mention Gibson, Parrish and others.

Smith had Kaline, Lolich, and McLain.

Cochrane had himself, Greenberg, and Gehringer.

Jennings had Cobb among others.

I don't think the question is "most successful"... if that were the case we can just look at win%. Managers can be great and still have horrible teams.

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It's easier to make the playoffs now than it was in the past and his three trips to the WS are slightly less impressive due to that.

I don't see a particularly huge difference between Sparky and Leyland but I'd pick Sparky because he was roughly as successful with a slightly less talent. But the talent difference isn't huge so the gap isn't huge IMO.

Has anyone done a positional match up between the 84 and 13 clubs? As I recall there wasn't a glaring hole in LF and on the bench on the 84 squad (well maybe Brookens).

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Has anyone done a positional match up between the 84 and 13 clubs? As I recall there wasn't a glaring hole in LF and on the bench on the 84 squad (well maybe Brookens).

I like to do overall match-ups - SP vs SP, bullpen vs. bullpen, fielding vs. fielding, hitting vs hitting, Doing it that way, the 1984 team really had no weakness. In fact, they were above average in all phases of the game. Doing it by position, every starter had an OPS+ of 99 or better and they had a deep deep bench. It was a perfectly balanced team and they won 104 games, so you don't have to get into all the "they had a great pythagorean record but they were unlucky" stuff. The 2013 team has better stars, but their fielding and bullpen are weaknesses and they are going to have a lot fewer wins in the end. My vote is solidly with the 84 team.

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I like to do overall match-ups - SP vs SP, bullpen vs. bullpen, fielding vs. fielding, hitting vs hitting, Doing it that way, the 1984 team really had no weakness. In fact, they were above average in all phases of the game. Doing it by position, every starter had an OPS+ of 99 or better and they had a deep deep bench. It was a perfectly balanced team and they won 104 games, so you don't have to get into all the "they had a great pythagorean record but they were unlucky" stuff. The 2013 team has better stars, but their fielding and bullpen are weaknesses and they are going to have a lot fewer wins in the end. My vote is solidly with the 84 team.

Is it safe to say that Leyland has done more with less?

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Has anyone done a positional match up between the 84 and 13 clubs? As I recall there wasn't a glaring hole in LF and on the bench on the 84 squad (well maybe Brookens).

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...I thought a nice tiddy thread to wrap up all the JL love/hate would be a good thing.

A nice tiddy thread is always enjoyable, but I spell it with two "t"s.

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I like to do overall match-ups - SP vs SP, bullpen vs. bullpen, fielding vs. fielding, hitting vs hitting, Doing it that way, the 1984 team really had no weakness. In fact, they were above average in all phases of the game. Doing it by position, every starter had an OPS+ of 99 or better and they had a deep deep bench. It was a perfectly balanced team and they won 104 games, so you don't have to get into all the "they had a great pythagorean record but they were unlucky" stuff. The 2013 team has better stars, but their fielding and bullpen are weaknesses and they are going to have a lot fewer wins in the end. My vote is solidly with the 84 team.

'84 vs. '13 I agree but Leyland and Sparky have managed more than just those years for the Tigers. Heck, the Tigers haven't even made the WS this year much less the WS.

Overall I think the top level talent of the current Tigers gives them a slight edge over the talent of the 80's. The Tigers of the 80's never had a pitcher as good as Verlander in '11 and '12 (or Scherzer this year) much less a rotation as deep as the '12 and '13 rotations.

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The crappy thing...either way I think is that (and this is pure speculation on my part) this is probably JL's last hoorah. I would have liked to see what he could have done with 10-11 years at the helm. I think people who really dislike him are going to be in for a rude awakening when he decides to hang em up. Hopefully after JL we can find another good manager.

Just because he looks as old as Illitch, doesn't mean he is...

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'84 vs. '13 I agree but Leyland and Sparky have managed more than just those years for the Tigers. Heck, the Tigers haven't even made the WS this year much less the WS.

Overall I think the top level talent of the current Tigers gives them a slight edge over the talent of the 80's. The Tigers of the 80's never had a pitcher as good as Verlander in '11 and '12 (or Scherzer this year) much less a rotation as deep as the '12 and '13 rotations.

I agree it gets more difficult when you go out more than one year. They put it altogether for one amazing year in 1984, something the current team has not done yet. However, the current team is right there with them over a longer period. The top end talent is definitely better on the current team than the 80s teams, but the the 80s team had more depth and fewer weaknesses. I'm partial to the 80s teams, but it's close.

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Hitters:

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I also just realized I posted hitting stats for the pitchers! lol

That is what happens when you try to do it super fast.

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I still think Sparky got more out of his players than Leyland does now and to that end I wish Sparky could have recieved the opportunity to manage teams as talented as the Tigers are now so we could view their records in a very similar light.

That being said, I think you do have to give Leyland a lot of credit. I think it is one thing to manage a team with talented players and quite a different thing to manage a team of talented players with the expectation to win and go to the playoff's every year and then to make it happen.

Ask the Blu Jays or Nationals organizations about expectations this year for instance.

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