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Good win but I can't help but to feel that this win should have been a lot more comfortable. Too many mistakes and dumb plays kept this closer than it should have been.

I thought the D-Line and Bush obviously were the standouts. You can see how much upside Ansah has and once he gains some polish to his game, he could be an absolute beast.

Anyway. 1-0 is 1-0. Take it and move on.

When the opposition gives you 4 turnovers at home you wouldn't think a win should be tough to get.

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When the opposition gives you 4 turnovers at home you wouldn't think a win should be tough to get.

The Lions also gave a bunch of gifts to the Vikiings too. This game really should have been over by halftime with the way the Lions were moving up and down the field with ease and with the Levy TD that should have been. A better team than the Vikings would have exposed the Lions today. As usual, they need to clean up their act if they want to compete against the better teams.

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And' date=' with Stafford, CJ and Bush, we are now averaging more than 28 points.[/quote']

Do you think you scored a debating point here?

Listen. Your guys Mayhew and Schwartz guided a team with at least four recent top-of-the-first-rounders - Stafford, Calvin, Suh, and Fairley - to a 4-10 record last year. Mayhew failed to provide depth, and Schwartz failed to provide discipline.

Kudos to Mayhew for signing Bush, but Schwartz (and Linehan) should be expected to be the top scoring team in the league with all that talent - which they have accumulated by way of the team's previous poor performances.

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The idiotic NFL rule system really destroys the fan experience. i'm sure they just want to build controversy and have more water-cooler talk about their games.

What exactly was idiotic about the rules in this game? Calvin did not have control over that ball..it hit the turf. Nothing wrong with the review and call.

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What exactly was idiotic about the rules in this game? Calvin did not have control over that ball..it hit the turf. Nothing wrong with the review and call.

What makes it idiotic is comparing "the process" VS "breaking the plane".

Compare the 2 Lions calls today. CJ not a TD and Bell a TD. CJ broke the plane in control of the ball, why is that not a TD? Bell broke the plane by the very smallest of margins and loses the ball and that IS a TD.

I'll give the Lions this, they won the game. In years past they would have collapsed and given the game away.

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Patriots are down 1 to the Bills with a minute to go. I wonder what their game thread looks like.

I got a kick out of this post. I can only imagine the amount of crying the Boston sports guys are spewing.

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The Good:

1. Reggie Bush. Anyone who said this signing was all "hype" are seeing the impact he has on a game. He will be a crucial part of this offense all year.

2. Reiff/the Offensive Line: Looked good. For Riley to hold his own against Jared Allen is very encouraging. He did well against a top DE in the NFL, and this is huge for the offense going forward.

3. Bell: This guy is a damn good #2. He will do damage this season.

4. Burleson: I was afraid he lost it. While he wasn't spectacular, he looked good enough to help the offense.

5. The DLine: Absolutely dominant (after that first run by AP). They shut AP down and were very impressive.

Concerns:

1. Fox. That injury is troublesome..really want to see him stay on the field.

2. Pettigrew. The guy is awful, has horrible hands and makes dumb decisions.

3. Undisciplined once again. Same old penalties

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What makes it idiotic is comparing "the process" VS "breaking the plane".

Compare the 2 Lions calls today. CJ not a TD and Bell a TD. CJ broke the plane in control of the ball, why is that not a TD? Bell broke the plane by the very smallest of margins and loses the ball and that IS a TD.

I'll give the Lions this, they won the game. In years past they would have collapsed and given the game away.

That is true, good point.

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What makes it idiotic is comparing "the process" VS "breaking the plane".

Compare the 2 Lions calls today. CJ not a TD and Bell a TD. CJ broke the plane in control of the ball, why is that not a TD? Bell broke the plane by the very smallest of margins and loses the ball and that IS a TD.

Couldn't have said it better.

In addition, the "process of the catch" rule places more discretion in the hands of the referees, and of the upstairs officials, which has had the effect of slowing the game down. To me, this constant stopping, reviewing, and overturning of plays makes football less enjoyable. For crying out loud, let the players play, and let the players decide it on the field.

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I'll give the Lions this, they won the game. In years past they would have collapsed and given the game away.

I think the difference between what certainly would've been an eventual Lion loss and today's game looks to be Reggie Bush. Hell of an offseason pickup.

Well, so far anyway

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I think the difference between what certainly would've been an eventual Lion loss and today's game looks to be Reggie Bush. Hell of an offseason pickup.

Well, so far anyway

It was only one game but for one game at least, I think we can say Mayhew did a good job of upgrading the overall talent on the roster and it was lead by the Bush pick up.

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What makes it idiotic is comparing "the process" VS "breaking the plane".

Compare the 2 Lions calls today. CJ not a TD and Bell a TD. CJ broke the plane in control of the ball, why is that not a TD? Bell broke the plane by the very smallest of margins and loses the ball and that IS a TD.

I agree. Receivers are held to a higher standard than rushers, and I'm not sure what the logic is for that.

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Do you think you scored a debating point here?

Listen. Your guys Mayhew and Schwartz guided a team with at least four recent top-of-the-first-rounders - Stafford, Calvin, Suh, and Fairley - to a 4-10 record last year. Mayhew failed to provide depth, and Schwartz failed to provide discipline.

Kudos to Mayhew for signing Bush, but Schwartz (and Linehan) should be expected to be the top scoring team in the league with all that talent - which they have accumulated by way of the team's previous poor performances.

I thought it served as a solid point to illustrate how silly your complaining is, yes.

Schwartz and Mayhew also assembled a playoff team the year before. The fact is that in the nfl, sometimes crap happens - like Titus Young.

The fact is that the strategy going into this game was good. The adjustments we made were even better. Of all the games where it makes since to whine about coaching, this is a really silly example.

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I agree. Receivers are held to a higher standard than rushers, and I'm not sure what the logic is for that.

Not saying it is the right logic, but the logic I've heard offered is that the running back already has established possession, so they merely need to break the plane, whereas the receiver has to establish possession first before he can score a touchdown.

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I thought it served as a solid point to illustrate how silly your complaining is' date=' yes.

Schwartz and Mayhew also assembled a playoff team the year before. The fact is that in the nfl, sometimes crap happens - like Titus Young.

The fact is that the strategy going into this game was good. The adjustments we made were even better. Of all the games where it makes since to whine about coaching, this is a really silly example.[/quote']

Well, Norman, everyone else on this board saw the same game you and I did. You seem to be the only one who didn't see the personal foul penalties and other undisciplined plays - which have plagued this team for all of Schwartz's tenure - that put us in danger again today of losing to a far inferior team.

If anything is "silly" it is your blind devotion to Jim Schwartz, who has not remotely proved himself as a head coach, with a career 23-42 record.

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I thought it served as a solid point to illustrate how silly your complaining is' date=' yes.

Schwartz and Mayhew also assembled a playoff team the year before. The fact is that in the nfl, sometimes crap happens - like Titus Young.

The fact is that the strategy going into this game was good. The adjustments we made were even better. Of all the games where it makes since to whine about coaching, this is a really silly example.[/quote']

I could care less about strategy at this point because all the strategy in the world won't win you Super Bowl if your team is not disciplined. Crap like Titus Young happens a lot more than sometimes to the Lions.

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Well, Norman, everyone else on this board saw the same game you and I did. You seem to be the only one who didn't see the personal foul penalties and other undisciplined plays - which have plagued this team for all of Schwartz's tenure - that put us in danger again today of losing to a far inferior team.

If anything is "silly" it is your blind devotion to Jim Schwartz, who has not remotely proved himself as a head coach, with a career 23-42 record.

The lions dominate a game and win by 10 and people still ***** on here. How much do they have to win by or how do they have to win for people to shut up about Schwartz? What did HE do wrong today?

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Well, Norman, everyone else on this board saw the same game you and I did. You seem to be the only one who didn't see the personal foul penalties and other undisciplined plays - which have plagued this team for all of Schwartz's tenure - that put us in danger again today of losing to a far inferior team.

If anything is "silly" it is your blind devotion to Jim Schwartz, who has not remotely proved himself as a head coach, with a career 23-42 record.

We just beat a playoff team from last year and I'd argue that our personal foul penalties did nothing to "endanger" our win (since they happened in the first half, before our coaching staff made adjustments that led to three consecutive td drives.)

The fact is this is a really important win. The team looks real good. We should probably take a moment to enjoy that then complain about 2012.

I could care less about strategy at this point...

Gotcha.

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Not saying it is the right logic, but the logic I've heard offered is that the running back already has established possession, so they merely need to break the plane, whereas the receiver has to establish possession first before he can score a touchdown.

It sees to me that they've redefined the idea of "establishing possession" for receivers to the point where it illogically places a higher standard on them than runners. Both feet down and full control of the ball should be possession, period. When a rusher takes the ball and falls over the goal line, losing the ball upon hitting the turf, it's a TD all day, every day. It's stupid and makes no sense.

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The lions dominate a game and win by 10 and people still ***** on here. How much do they have to win by or how do they have to win for people to shut up about Schwartz? What did HE do wrong today?

Listen, I hope the Lions play up to their potential. If they do, they are a dangerous playoff team.

What I saw today was a Lions team that far outmatched their opponent on talent, but that, because of penalties and undisciplined plays - which cost us two touchdowns - required a meltdown by the opposing quarterback before they could put the game away. (Do you think Aaron Rodgers is going to throw a lame duck interception in the fourth quarter like Ponder did?)

Schwartz's team plays with emotion, but without a whole lot of smarts. It hasn't gotten better. I hope it does, but this far into his tenure, it probably won't. And as talented as our D-line and offensive skill players are, they are not good enough to beat SF or GB when the team makes mistakes like they did today.

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We just beat a playoff team from last year and I'd argue that our personal foul penalties did nothing to "endanger" our win (since they happened in the first half' date=' before our coaching staff made adjustments that led to three consecutive td drives.)

The fact is this is a really important win. The team looks real good. We should probably take a moment to enjoy that then complain about 2012.

Gotcha.[/quote']

Well, one of their personal foul penalties cost a touchdown, or were you too drunk on kool aid at that point to notice?

The team beat (at home) a team they should have beat - a team that only made the playoffs last year because they were fortunate enough to play two games against Jim Schwartz's undisciplined and poorly coached Lions.

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Well, one of their personal foul penalties cost a touchdown, or were you too drunk on kool aid at that point to notice?

The team beat (at home) a team they should have beat - a team that only made the playoffs last year because they were fortunate enough to play two games against Jim Schwartz's undisciplined and poorly coached Lions.

Did you see the multiple personal fouls in the San Francisco - Green Bay game?

Again, things happen. No coach can completely eliminate mistakes in a game - it is part of the game. Would I love for all our players to play smart all the time? Absolutely, but faulting what we have based on some unachievable ideal doesn't serve much purpose.

There are many games in Schwartz's history that you could throw around the term "poorly coached", you simply have the bad luck of picking one of the worst examples of his entire career.

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Did you see the multiple personal fouls in the San Francisco - Green Bay game?

Again' date=' things happen. No coach can completely eliminate mistakes in a game - it is part of the game. Would I love for all our players to play smart all the time? Absolutely, but faulting what we have based on some unachievable ideal doesn't serve much purpose.

There are many games in Schwartz's history that you could throw around the term "poorly coached", you simply have the bad luck of picking one of the worst examples of his entire career.[/quote']

So if you at least agree that there are many games in Schwartz's history where the Lions have been poorly coached, do you also then agree that he is a bad coach and should be fired?

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