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Without any data I am willing to bet any money you like that they give the score more than once an inning on average.

Dan has gotten better about giving the score than was the case say 8 years ago.

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This is unrelated to Jim Price, but related to the health issue here. The person that I always felt concerned for was Channel 7 Sports guy Don Shane. Ever since Don had gotten trucked on the sidelines of a Michigan he seemed totally different on broadcasts. He seemed to become a board sitting in a chair on the news set. He seemed sapped of emotion and expression when doing his sportscasts, akin to someone who had suffered some sort of head trauma. I don't know this of course, but always suspected that the hit he took on the Michigan sideline effected him for the worse. It was sad to see as Don, the few times I met him while at the Senior TPC golf tournament in Dearborn, seemed to be a standup guy. Price though, I can't say that I've notice any difference from this year to last.

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Without any data I am willing to bet any money you like that they give the score more than once an inning on average.

Dan has gotten better about giving the score than was the case say 8 years ago.

I can only go by my experience, and you really only ever notice it when you don't know the score and are waiting to hear it. I've waited a full inning to hear the score before, which is just unfathomable, really. Yes, they came back from a commercial break without giving the score. Now this is an extreme example that I'm sure doesn't happen often, but I think it is indicative of Dickerson's priorities as a PBP guy, and giving the score of the game seems to be a lower priority than it ought to be.

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I can only go by my experience, and you really only ever notice it when you don't know the score and are waiting to hear it. I've waited a full inning to hear the score before, which is just unfathomable, really. Yes, they came back from a commercial break without giving the score. Now this is an extreme example that I'm sure doesn't happen often, but I think it is indicative of Dickerson's priorities as a PBP guy, and giving the score of the game seems to be a lower priority than it ought to be.

My guess is they give the score both at the beginning and end of every half inning as well as once or twice inside of the half inning on average.

It used to bug the crap out of me how infrequently they gave the score and I noticed they started giving the score more. I'll keep count one of these nights, and I suspect it is more than is often claimed.

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They always give the score at the end of an inning.

I think they announce the score at the beginning of an inning more rarely, at least during the first six innings or so.

Just my gut feeling.

I think we get mid inning updates more often when a guy gets on base, or in the middle of a long at bat, or when the game is close.

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I know its hockey and not baseball, but I imagine its the same for all sports.

I think the differences are actually pretty high between these two sports. There's a lot more action during a hockey game than during baseball. I think there's much more opportunity to insert the score in a baseball game without cutting into other important information that needs to be shared.

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I like Jim Price.

As for the voice, sometimes it's hard to project into the microphone when your hiding behind Willie Horton.

Now, before anybody gets all bent out of shape, that's not a put down. It's a reference to a story that Price has told several times, that always makes me laugh, about a team brawl during a game. Price says he went on to the field to support his teammates, but not being the biggest guy on the field, he felt it a good plan to hide behind Willie Horton figuring that would be the safest place on the field.

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As I understand it, Jim is still undergoing treatment for cancer and that is why he will occasionally sound raspy and dehydrated. What people have described as it sounding like he is eating while on the microphone could be more accurately attributed to the dry mouth created from cancer treatment medicine or chemotherapy.

That said, I love Dickerson's call and I hear the score and count often enough to be able to follow along even if I turn it on in mid-inning. I've grown to enjoy Price's rapport with Dan tremendously.

Yes, this....I think of how hard it must be to keep his voice going through the treatment. I get the sense that the two of them really care for each other. Relatedly, losing Jim Price would be like losing a good friend for me. He's not a skilled broadcaster, just a heck of a good guy who I think "leaves it all in the booth" if you applied the phrase to broadcasting.

Dan seems like a very good man who is also a very skilled broadcaster -- he's as sincere and warm-hearted a professional broadcaster as I've ever heard, and that means a lot to me. Not to mention he likes advanced stats, which doesn't hurt either :classic:

The TV guys I could take or leave, they're run of the mill material.

The Tiger radio announcers between Ernie/Paul and Dan/Jim were also a mixed bag of "guys". Not bad, not good, just there. Even Frank Beckmann, who I like, wasn't particularly special to me, although he was a very skilled PBP man.

My developing Tiger fan brain was wired around Ernie/Paul. They were Tiger baseball, period. Like the house I grew up in, when I dream about home, I'm there....when I think about Tiger baseball, Ernie and Paul are there.

George/Al will always be special to me -- George was just a one-of-a-kind broadcaster (Al was pretty skilled as a color man too).

Dan and Jim are in my blood now....I appreciate that they give my sons something great to listen to and that they are good, decent men....they are Tiger baseball as far as I'm concerned, in a different way that Ernie/Paul and George/Al, but still two of the good guys.

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Co-sign. I think they are a slightly above average crew, but I'll admit that my standards for baseball PBP might be unfairly high after 30 years of Ernie and Paul. Dickerson's enthusiasm too often sounds forced with the effect being, to me anyway, that it also sounds forced even when it's warranted. And he never gives the score. I hate that. You've got people tuning in every second of a broadcast, and unless a run is scored you're lucky to get the game score once per inning with this guy. Price is much better now that he doesn't do any PBP. I don't even mind his overly repeated Price-isms anymore.

I couldn't possibly disagree more. Dan's calls seem very genuine to me.

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George/Al will always be special to me -- George was just a one-of-a-kind broadcaster (Al was pretty skilled as a color man too).

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Kell was the product of a slice of American culture that has pretty much disappeared - so we will probably never ever see his like again. I imagine he doesn't get the credit he deserves because everything about his work was so natural and completely unforced, plus another great smooth voice like Ernie's. I'd always wished they had let George and Ernie stay in the same both together doing TV and radio as a simulcast - as in the very early 60's.

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This is unrelated to Jim Price, but related to the health issue here. The person that I always felt concerned for was Channel 7 Sports guy Don Shane. Ever since Don had gotten trucked on the sidelines of a Michigan he seemed totally different on broadcasts. He seemed to become a board sitting in a chair on the news set. He seemed sapped of emotion and expression when doing his sportscasts, akin to someone who had suffered some sort of head trauma. I don't know this of course, but always suspected that the hit he took on the Michigan sideline effected him for the worse. It was sad to see as Don, the few times I met him while at the Senior TPC golf tournament in Dearborn, seemed to be a standup guy. Price though, I can't say that I've notice any difference from this year to last.

Dan had a situation years ago where he fell on some ice after doing the 11 pm news. He broke ribs and such. Almost died if he wasn't found by someone else. Not sure if that's related. I agree. Near the end of his career he looked very robotic. Reminded me of someone who had a stroke or closed head injury. Very monotone and seems like all he could do was read... no improvising.

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I enjoy listening to Dan and jim. Little factoid on Jim that I like to bring up on occasion...he played in Kinston, North Carolina in 1963, early in his minor leaguer career. He was inducted into the Kinston professional baseball HOF in 1995. Speaking of ex Tiger catchers...listening to the Carolina Mudcats playing the Wilmington, Delaware Blue Rocks. The Blue Rocks manager is Vance Wilson.

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The only issue I have with Dickerson is that sometimes I'll listen for an inning and never hear the score. I can't see what anyone would dislike about the guy other than that.

I was able to listen to this man's entire career so I am "spoiled." Dan's OK but he ain't no Ernie:

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I was able to listen to this man's entire career so I am "spoiled." Dan's OK but he ain't no Ernie:

Just imagine Paul Carey "wow-ing" and giggling non-stop while Ernie was making those calls.

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yellowhammer, nice area, qualify the speed of the runner....

Key hole.

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My feeling about Dan and Jim is that they're a very enjoyable, entertaining team that would be a lot better on TV. Their conversational, analysis-heavy style of broadcast is always going to be a poor fit for radio, which (IMO) works best with the play-by-play guy working more or less by himself.

When Harwell and Carey were doing the radio games, there was never a lot of interplay between them. Ernie would do his innings, Paul would do his, but apart from occasional banter during lulls in the game each would more or less work solo, and it was great because each could concentrate on describing what was happening for the listeners (which is what you mainly need on radio). And there'd even be those times when Ernie or Paul would just stop talking for a bit and let you hear the sound of the crowd. You don't get that with Dan and Jim's nonstop chatter, and I really miss it.

Really, I'd love it if the Tigers would just ditch Rod and Mario (who, again IMO, add nothing of value), move Dan and Jim to TV, and bring in a couple decent play-by-play guys to trade solo innings like Ernie and Paul used to. Of course, I know none of this will ever happen.

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Dan and Jim aren't exactly Paul and Ernie, but so what? That era is gone and will not come again. The two we have on the radio now are pretty good, and I like to listen to them. I used to really hate Jim Price but I have come to respect him and like the job he does. I would much rather listen to the radio than the two tv guys. Mario is oaky but Rod is hard to listen.

I heard an interview with Ernie Harwell about 10 years ago. He said he kept a 2 min hour glass in front of him. When the sand ran out, he would flip it and give the score. But he would do it so fast and slick you wouldn't notice. I used to love that when listening to Ernie. I understand the reason why they stretch out the scores now, but they should give it more often.

Talk of George Kell brought back memories. He and Ernie are the voices of my baseball childhood.

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Kind of an apples and oranges comparison because paul carey was a broadcaster in his own right. He worked the dials and such when it was ernies turn. It was his trade. Price is not.

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My feeling about Dan and Jim is that they're a very enjoyable, entertaining team that would be a lot better on TV. Their conversational, analysis-heavy style of broadcast is always going to be a poor fit for radio, which (IMO) works best with the play-by-play guy working more or less by himself.

When Harwell and Carey were doing the radio games, there was never a lot of interplay between them. Ernie would do his innings, Paul would do his, but apart from occasional banter during lulls in the game each would more or less work solo, and it was great because each could concentrate on describing what was happening for the listeners (which is what you mainly need on radio). And there'd even be those times when Ernie or Paul would just stop talking for a bit and let you hear the sound of the crowd. You don't get that with Dan and Jim's nonstop chatter, and I really miss it.

Really, I'd love it if the Tigers would just ditch Rod and Mario (who, again IMO, add nothing of value), move Dan and Jim to TV, and bring in a couple decent play-by-play guys to trade solo innings like Ernie and Paul used to. Of course, I know none of this will ever happen.

Appreciate the difference, but it's a difference that has occurred across baseball broadcasting between eras. My guess is that modern broadcast training and station/team/sponsor expectations is that they will fill the air-time with talk.

I also don't see it as a strike against Dan and Jim. Dan for his part is very skilled at managing the hub-bub, and keeping it conversational.

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It's funny. I've been railing against Milquetastio and Rod for years (to the point where my disdain for Rod caused me to be accused of being a racist). Now people are finally coming around.

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I frankly can hardly imagine a better PBP guy that Dan Dickerson. I cannot imagine what "issues" anybody could have with him. I see Eric's point, I would like the score more often too, but practically nobody does that to my satisfaction anywhere.

Jim is a lovable man who knows the game well enough to be informative, despite his frequent repetitiveness. He's not technically proficient as a broadcaster but he's not bad. His Tiger connection, his personality and rapport with Dan are good enough to make him a plus for me. Al Kaline on TV was the only other Tiger color man who I liked more.

This.

I've grown to enjoy Price's rapport with Dan tremendously.

And this.

To me, they are the voice of Summer. I hope they are still together when my kids are old enough to appreciate them.

Also this, though I only have "kid" singular.

George/Al will always be special to me -- George was just a one-of-a-kind broadcaster (Al was pretty skilled as a color man too).

DEFINITELY THIS. Sometimes I look up old Tiger games on youtube (before MLB removes them) just to hear George Kell calling a game and to be transported back to my childhood. It makes me feel weird that for some children, they probably view Mario and Rod the same way.

It's funny. I've been railing against Milquetastio and Rod for years (to the point where my disdain for Rod caused me to be accused of being a racist). Now people are finally coming around.

Going after him on twitter was a little (a lot) much, though.

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Kind of an apples and oranges comparison because paul carey was a broadcaster in his own right. He worked the dials and such when it was ernies turn. It was his trade. Price is not.

Paul Carey's voice was amazing. I think the military experimented with it to see if it could be used to destroy bunkers.

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Going after him on twitter was a little (a lot) much, though.

In hindsight I agree. The lovefest he was getting infuriated me especially since he was so insulated from criticism. I now know that he is all he ever will be and we're stuck with him until the Diamondbacks take him back.

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