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I'm skeptical it's even going to get built. Illitch promised something similar around Comerica and we got parking lots. He has a poor record for these types of things. This is pretty ambitious for Detroit or anywhere.

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Baby steps....get young professionals/blue collar workers to live down there now....10 years from now work steadily towards improving schools and access to shopping (grocery mainly)...improve the police force and work on mass transit. Those twenty somethings will stay down there after they have a family instead of moving to the burbs.

Most downtowns in the country are 'the place to live'...it will take time, but one day our downtown may catch up.

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Downtown is never going to be a place to raise families. The housing being built suits the needs of these yuppies. It's almost like their thing to build a downtown Royal Oak with a hockey arena. Royal Oak is a good small scale sample of what Detroit should be. Families don't live in downtown Royal Oak but Royal Oak offers a lot of good family neighborhoods around downtown.

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.....10 years from now work steadily towards improving schools ..

Chris Hayes has done some good work recently looking in depth at urban issues. His show did a report on NYC on neighborhoods that 're-gentrify'. It turns out that what can happen is that the folks with money keep their kids in private school up to a certain point where a critical mass is reached. Somehow, sort via a system of tribal drums, or its modern equivalent, they will over just a year or two all decide to send their children to the local public school. As it turns out, this is basically all that is needed to pull the quality of the school up, as the reality is that quality of a school is more dependent on the learning readiness of its students than anything else.

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I'm probably one of the few who doesn't think there is a problem with Detroit schools. It's not politically correct to blame the parents. First kids have to go to school. Attendance rates in Detroit schools is under 70% in most high schools. The kids that do show up, don't want to learn. Look at that teacher who had to break up a fight in her classroom. That happens often in Detroit schools.

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Somewhere in that area with the 3 arenas there needs to be a Michigan Sports Walk Of Fame.

I think this is a cool idea. Even pull in the great players from UM and MSU. Really celebrate Detroit and Michigan sports.

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Still have to get people, with kids, to want to live there. Not gonna work long-term if people don't want to stay. They need to put a police precinct there as well as ORDINARY places to shop, not just high-end places. They need to feature housing that working-class people can afford along with the higher end places.

It all depends on your definition of what it means to "work long-term." These type of developments typically don't appeal to the middle class or to people with children. It may flourish as an upscale neighborhood, especially with the demand for downtown housing amongst young professionals. It doesn't do much for the poor or the middle class, but it's still probably better than what's there now. It gets questionable when governments sink public funds into these redevelopments claiming it's going to somehow solve social problems.

I'm skeptical it's even going to get built. Illitch promised something similar around Comerica and we got parking lots. He has a poor record for these types of things. This is pretty ambitious for Detroit or anywhere.

Chris Ilitch defends use of tax subsidies for $650M entertainment district | The Detroit News According to this article, that was exactly their plan. They demolished nearly everything and left surface parking so that all the surrounding property values would plummet, and they could buy enough land for cheap to build the new arena. Seems a little questionable ethics wise, but I guess it's one way of doing things.

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I'm probably one of the few who doesn't think there is a problem with Detroit schools. It's not politically correct to blame the parents. First kids have to go to school. Attendance rates in Detroit schools is under 70% in most high schools. The kids that do show up, don't want to learn. Look at that teacher who had to break up a fight in her classroom. That happens often in Detroit schools.

I don't know what the neighborhood HS would be for that area but Cass Tech is inside the development area!

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Chris Hayes has done some good work recently looking in depth at urban issues. His show did a report on NYC on neighborhoods that 're-gentrify'. It turns out that what can happen is that the folks with money keep their kids in private school up to a certain point where a critical mass is reached. Somehow, sort via a system of tribal drums, or its modern equivalent, they will over just a year or two all decide to send their children to the local public school. As it turns out, this is basically all that is needed to pull the quality of the school up, as the reality is that quality of a school is more dependent on the learning readiness of its students than anything else.

Not to get off topic but is the consistent push for early education funds part of "learning readiness?" I've always questioned if these programs can defeat the culture of broken, financially unstable homes.

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I don't know what the neighborhood HS would be for that area but Cass Tech is inside the development area!

Speaking of Cass Tech, I was disappointed to learn that the pickle factory had been demolished in 2011. I knew the school moved to a new facility a decade or so ago. My grandpa was Cass Tech Class of '31 and I heard so much about the school growing up I hoped to drive past it again next week for the first time since the '70s.

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Speaking of Cass Tech, I was disappointed to learn that the pickle factory had been demolished in 2011. I knew the school moved to a new facility a decade or so ago. My grandpa was Cass Tech Class of '31 and I heard so much about the school growing up I hoped to drive past it again next week for the first time since the '70s.

The building's last 5 minutes of fame was as the background in a scene of Detroit 187.

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I think this is a cool idea. Even pull in the great players from UM and MSU. Really celebrate Detroit and Michigan sports.

Well yeah, if they were athletes that are in the Hall Of Fame, whatever sport and whether they played for a Michigan team or came from Michigan like a Derek Jeter. Then we can have Joe Buck stand there and talk about Jeter and nothing but Jeter for hours.

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This ties together that whole corridor from downtown to midtown near the Fisher Building. There seemed to be a big empty space between I-75 and the Wayne State Area. This fills that gap - and that's really big.

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I'm probably one of the few who doesn't think there is a problem with Detroit schools. It's not politically correct to blame the parents. First kids have to go to school. Attendance rates in Detroit schools is under 70% in most high schools. The kids that do show up, don't want to learn. Look at that teacher who had to break up a fight in her classroom. That happens often in Detroit schools.

A good friend of mine taught in DPS for just under 10 years before deciding to move his family out of state.

The impression I got from him was that there were a fair number of administrators that did not spend their funding efficiently, a not insignificant number of teachers were mailing it in, and a low level of parental involvement.

I think like most (all?) long term problems / issues, there is no one proximate cause - rather - multiple contributors that tend to feed off of one another, so they all need to be addressed in a meaningful way to resolve the issue. Further, no one person has control over all of the causes.

In any event, I think there are issues with Detroit public schools outside of the parents that lend to the state the schools find themselves in.

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Well yeah, if they were athletes that are in the Hall Of Fame, whatever sport and whether they played for a Michigan team or came from Michigan like a Derek Jeter. Then we can have Joe Buck stand there and talk about Jeter and nothing but Jeter for hours.

Yeah, the bigger the better.

I'm like a lot of people - from Detroit but don't live there anymore. If I go see the Wings or Tigers play in DC (where I live now) or in other road cities, there are always at least as many Detroit fans as home fans. I like the idea that this space would celebrate the great sports heritage of Detroit, and Michigan, and create a place that would draw people like me - Detroiters in spirit who don't live there anymore - and also maybe change the negative narrative that many in the press like to tell.

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So they are planning a walking bridge over 75 from what I can tell. That will be HUGE IMO. They HAVE to connect those 2 areas. 75 is a barrier that kind of secludes the other side. People go park there and then risk life an limb walking across the bridge on Woodward to get to the game, but there is nothing on the other side. now we have this entire new area on the other side of 75. I am not sure if I would want a covered bridge...covered bridges in Detroit are scary...maybe something with a glass roof or something.

I also heard they MAY build something else over 75...kind of like Cobo over the lodge. That would also help to join the 2 areas.

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A good friend of mine taught in DPS for just under 10 years before deciding to move his family out of state.

The impression I got from him was that there were a fair number of administrators that did not spend their funding efficiently, a not insignificant number of teachers were mailing it in, and a low level of parental involvement.

I think like most (all?) long term problems / issues, there is no one proximate cause - rather - multiple contributors that tend to feed off of one another, so they all need to be addressed in a meaningful way to resolve the issue. Further, no one person has control over all of the causes.

In any event, I think there are issues with Detroit public schools outside of the parents that lend to the state the schools find themselves in.

The thing is, if neighborhoods gentrify, the wealthier more connected parents are very capable of forcing the resource and competency changes for those schools they have an interest in. That is just the way politics works in America. So overall I tend to see schools as a following trend, not a leading one. If the wealth in an area changes, the schools will likely take care of themselves.

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So they are planning a walking bridge over 75 from what I can tell. That will be HUGE IMO. They HAVE to connect those 2 areas. 75 is a barrier that kind of secludes the other side. People go park there and then risk life an limb walking across the bridge on Woodward to get to the game, but there is nothing on the other side. now we have this entire new area on the other side of 75. I am not sure if I would want a covered bridge...covered bridges in Detroit are scary...maybe something with a glass roof or something.

I also heard they MAY build something else over 75...kind of like Cobo over the lodge. That would also help to join the 2 areas.

Also really hoping they make the decision to just take out the 375 loop and open up the lower east side to contiguous development. I know it's a long shot, but its still a great idea. That is an unnecessary bit of urban canyon.

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Also really hoping they make the decision to just take out the 375 loop and open up the lower east side to contiguous development. I know it's a long shot, but its still a great idea. That is an unnecessary bit of urban canyon.

I do not think I have ever been on the other side of Ford Field. No reason to go over there. The 375 loop is a nice way to get to Greektown and bypass all the traffic of Monroe street. Without that entrance to the parking deck things could get REAL ugly trying to get to the casino. It does cut off that whole area though.

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I do not think I have ever been on the other side of Ford Field. No reason to go over there. The 375 loop is a nice way to get to Greektown and bypass all the traffic of Monroe street. Without that entrance to the parking deck things could get REAL ugly trying to get to the casino. It does cut off that whole area though.

There's nothing on the other side of 375. I would be more inclined to do something with the Lodge and connect downtown with Corktown. Maybe something like what Boston did with the bid dig.

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I wonder how much more the Illitch empire stands to make considering you are taking Greektown out of the mix for pre hockey game festivities?

You are closer to MotorCity now, but there is no people mover to take you to and from.

About 13-14 years ago I used to hang at Greektown quite a bit. The poker room used to be right next to the people mover station and people would FLOOD the casino a couple hours before and after most home games.

Motor City and MGM are all close to the action now. They will HAVE to have some kind of transportation going to and from the casinos...unless they have crappy parking around the new arena and they just expect everyone to park at the casino structures, but that would get ugly REAL quick. Motor City casinos parking is horrific on a busy night as it is. I cannot imagine how bad it would get if no other type of transportation is offered around the new venues.

There are a few people who use those structures to park for Tigers games now. Imagine adding that whole area and having people use the casinos to park.

I guess even if they do offer some kind of transportation back and forth people will still have to park there. Maybe they add another parking structure?

All of these are good problems to have IMO. I know it does not get to the root of the problem in Detroit, but adding parking structures and adding places people want in the city is a good thing IMO.

Now they just need to figure out a way to bring a train station in the middle of the city so people from the burbs can come in from a station close to them. We have a new station going up in Dearborn and if it had a stop somewhere close downtown I imagine we would go down more to hang out.

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Ground Breaking this month 9/25/14.

When I think of moving the arena from the river front to the middle of town I keep getting this feeling they are freeing up all that space around the river for something big.

My hopes would be for them to either close Greektown Casino and move it or have an outside interest come in and buy out the owners of Greektown to put up a nice casino right on the river there. When they first started talking about casinos for the detroit area everyone always assumed one of them would be on the river. None ended up on the river and greektown is in a horribly congested area IMO and the least attractive of the 3 we have currently.

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Ground Breaking this month 9/25/14.

When I think of moving the arena from the river front to the middle of town I keep getting this feeling they are freeing up all that space around the river for something big.

My hopes would be for them to either close Greektown Casino and move it or have an outside interest come in and buy out the owners of Greektown to put up a nice casino right on the river there. When they first started talking about casinos for the detroit area everyone always assumed one of them would be on the river. None ended up on the river and greektown is in a horribly congested area IMO and the least attractive of the 3 we have currently.

I thought they wanted to get rid of the Joe to do a Cobo expansion.

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I thought they wanted to get rid of the Joe to do a Cobo expansion.

Artist renderings of what the finished product will look like include the old arena in the back round. I do not think they needed that area for the renovation.

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Interesting. There has been talk about expanding Cobo in that direction for quite awhile, but maybe they took too long and decided to go another route.

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