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Bribing a public official thus requires proof of five essential elements: (1) a public official; (2) the defendant's corrupt intent; (3) a benefit-"anything of value"-given, offered, or promised to the public official; (4) a relationship between the thing of value and some official act (or fraud or omission of duty); and (5) the relationship must involve an intent to influence the official in carrying out the official act (or to induce the fraud or omission).

https://scholarlycommons.law.cwsl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1441&context=cwlr

According to this article, none of the five essential elements of bribing a public official requires the bribed public official acknowledge he/she was bribed.   Stanislav lying again, easily demonstrated with 30 second google search.

 

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30 minutes ago, pfife said:

Trump nothing because Trump got busted mid plan.   That's the third time I've said it and the third time you ignored it.   You said "we", but that's a joke, "we" weren't getting anything, "Trump" was getting what trump wanted.  

The components of a crime are mens rea and actus reus.   Neither of those are related to the victim knowing they were a victim.  In fact, neither of them are even relevant to a victim whatsoever.  Please don't act like that's not true, because it is.   learn.

Crimes happen to people who don't know they're victims all the time, and that doesn't mean it wasn't a crime.   Does a murder victim know they're a murder victim?  If someone swindles someone, and the victim never knows, is that a crime?  Of course it is.

And, finally, you've only said they're saying they weren't bribed.  You're distinctly not saying they weren't bribed. 

Interesting that you ignore that the aid got released right after the OMB weighed in, which had nothing to do with Biden. Nobody on the D side likes to discuss that because it doesn't fit the "bribery" narrative. And what Unkraine is saying (multiple times) is essentially that "We got the aid and didn't have to do anything to get it". That doesn't seem to be overly supportive of a crime.

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5 minutes ago, pfife said:

And the OMB director said otherwise on live TV.

It's pretty simple.

1. Did Ukraine get their aid? Yes. 2. Did we get anything for them as a result of releasing the aid? No.

Again, this is a political hit that is based on feelings, opinions and assumptions- not evidence. It's the non-crime of the century. 

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3 minutes ago, stanpapi said:

It's pretty simple.

1. Did Ukraine get their aid? Yes. 2. Did we get anything for them as a result of releasing the aid? No.

Again, this is a political hit that is based on feelings, opinions and assumptions- not evidence. It's the non-crime of the century. 

It's pretty simple, the perp got busted mid crime.

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1 minute ago, pfife said:

It's pretty simple, the perp got busted mid crime.

LOL. This is Ukraine, the most corrupt country on the planet. You guys picked the absolute worst country to call into question here....with their history, it is absolutely prudent to be sure of what was happening with the aid, especially with a new president entering office in the Ukraine. Because we wouldn't want those hard earned US aid dollars finding their way back into the pockets of democrats (and maybe a few swampy Republicans) like it has in the past. Which is ultimately why this is being pushed so hard by the dems. 

In other news, your side can't even schedule properly....

 

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5 minutes ago, stanpapi said:

LOL. This is Ukraine, the most corrupt country on the planet. You guys picked the absolute worst country to call into question here....with their history, it is absolutely prudent to be sure of what was happening with the aid, especially with a new president entering office in the Ukraine. Because we wouldn't want those hard earned US aid dollars finding their way back into the pockets of democrats (and maybe a few swampy Republicans) like it has in the past. Which is ultimately why this is being pushed so hard by the dems. 

In other news, your side can't even schedule properly....

 

Except he didn't hold up the money right? Now he did to fight corruption? 

Hilarious self own.

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34 minutes ago, stanpapi said:

It's pretty simple.

1. Did Ukraine get their aid? Yes. 2. Did we get anything for them as a result of releasing the aid? No.

Again, this is a political hit that is based on feelings, opinions and assumptions- not evidence. It's the non-crime of the century. 

Big difference between getting the aid in July and September.

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3 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Big difference between getting the aid in July and September.

Well, when there is a policy review underway, that's the way it is. Per the hill: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/469742-ukraine-aid-was-released-sooner-than-trump-said-report

"State Department lawyers had found earlier this year that the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) and therefore Trump could not legally block the aid, Bloomberg reported, noting that this determination resulted in the release of the $141 million. OMB spokeswoman Rachel Semmel challenged this narrative in a statement to The Hill. 

"At no point was this pause inappropriate, let alone illegal," Semmel said. "OMB has the statutory role to manage budget execution, consistent with the law and the President’s policy agenda."

"The State Department did not challenge the legality of the review with senior OMB leadership at any point," she added. "

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OMB Director said it was a quid pro quo on live TV, and he said it happens all the time on live TV, and he said we need to get over it on live TV.   

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1 minute ago, pfife said:

OMB Director said it was a quid pro quo on live TV, and he said it happens all the time on live TV, and he said we need to get over it on live TV.   

Did she happen to indicate what we received in exchange for our non-quid pro quo quid pro quo? 

This is even more ridiculous than your two year march to Russia no-where. But it's to be expected when you take power away from power whores. They get desperate. 

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17 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Big difference between getting the aid in July and September.

February and September

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The Trump administration initially told Congress it was releasing the aid to Ukraine on February 28. It repeated that assertion to Congress again on May 23, but failed to explain to lawmakers but struggled to explain — both publicly and to the lawmakers who approved the aid — exactly why the funds were withheld.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/24/20881505/donald-trump-withhold-aid-ukraine-timeline-whistleblower

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Just now, stanpapi said:

Did she happen to indicate what we received in exchange for our non-quid pro quo quid pro quo? 

This is even more ridiculous than your two year march to Russia no-where. But it's to be expected when you take power away from power whores. They get desperate. 

The OMB Director isn't a she.   Good lord get some facts.

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Just now, pfife said:

The OMB Director isn't a she.   Good lord get some facts.

Who would the she be? 

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Just now, pfife said:

The OMB Director isn't a she.   Good lord get some facts.

Again, why do we need Ukranian dirt on Biden when he's on tape talking about children pulling his leg hair and feeling cockroachy or whatever the **** the babbling fool just said? 

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2 minutes ago, stanpapi said:

Again, why do we need Ukranian dirt on Biden when he's on tape talking about children pulling his leg hair and feeling cockroachy or whatever the **** the babbling fool just said? 

I moved on her like a *****...

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2 minutes ago, stanpapi said:

Again, why do we need Ukranian dirt on Biden when he's on tape talking about children pulling his leg hair and feeling cockroachy or whatever the **** the babbling fool just said? 

Covfefe

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Just now, tiger337 said:

I moved on her like a *****...

who, the OMB Director?

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Just now, tiger337 said:

I moved on her like a *****...

Sorry, Kellanne said it way better than I could: 

 

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