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Nobody knows whether this will all work out obviously, but I was thinking about something today. Few, if any teams in markets like ours have pulled off 2 signings the caliber of Jennings and Smith in one offseason. They aren't superstars, but they are kind of at that next level and both are either in or entering their prime. Even just in terms of price, you don't see this pulled off very often.

Boozer and Okur to Utah is the most similar example I can think of. Just an interesting way to look at it.

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Brooklyn's experience would probably be tough for us to deal with, as would Chicago's experience,toughness and D. I think we could potentially take the Knicks in a 7 game series though and thats a good start. Melo over Josh Smith is basically their one big advantage.

I didn't mean "hang with" to be read as "positively be able to beat". However . . .

-Brooklyn is an old team with a rookie coach that could be pretty worn out come playoff time.

-Chicago just let Nate Robinson walk in hopes that Rose comes back 100% and stays there. If Jimmy Butler evolves they have no problems, if he doesn't then ??

-The NYK do not scare me, and I'm not sure how Melo exactly gets a walk in the park going up against Josh Smith (when Smith does play SF, and who knows how much of his time will be spent there?).

Position-by-position, the Pistons do not have many matchup problems against the NYK. Let's take a look: Chandler vs Drummond, Bargnani vs Monroe, Anthony vs Smith, Hardaway/Shumpert vs KCP, Felton vs Jennings, Stoudamire/MWP vs Mitchell/Datome, Smith vs Stuckey, Beno (if signed) vs Billups/Bynum, Amare vs CV31, Martin vs JJ.

The Knicks look deeper but not necessarily worlds better.

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I didn't mean "hang with" to be read as "positively be able to beat". However . . .

-Brooklyn is an old team with a rookie coach that could be pretty worn out come playoff time.

-Chicago just let Nate Robinson walk in hopes that Rose comes back 100% and stays there. If Jimmy Butler evolves they have no problems, if he doesn't then ??

-The NYK do not scare me, and I'm not sure how Melo exactly gets a walk in the park going up against Josh Smith (when Smith does play SF, and who knows how much of his time will be spent there?).

Position-by-position, the Pistons do not have many matchup problems against the NYK. Let's take a look: Chandler vs Drummond, Bargnani vs Monroe, Anthony vs Smith, Hardaway/Shumpert vs KCP, Felton vs Jennings, Stoudamire/MWP vs Mitchell/Datome, Smith vs Stuckey, Beno (if signed) vs Billups/Bynum, Amare vs CV31, Martin vs JJ.

The Knicks look deeper but not necessarily worlds better.

Not even sure they are deeper. Knicks are weak IMO.

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Not even sure they are deeper. Knicks are weak IMO.

Still clearly better than the Pistons though.

IMO, There is a top 5 tier in the East with a dropoff after that....

Miami

Indy

Chicago

Nets

Knicks

Pistons

Cavs

Wizards

Hawks

Raptors

Everybody else (Wiggins contenders).

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I have to say (and everyone is going to hate this) that I'm leaning towards Drummond coming off the bench in a wicked 3-big rotation. I don't think it will happen because the franchise is pinning a lot on him, but I really think it makes the most sense in so many ways.

First of all, Drummond is really young at only 19. There's no reason not to bring him along as the first guy off the bench and play him 25 to 30 minutes a game in that role. It gives him a chance to perform and grow at his pace and not have as much of a need to press things.

Second, the lineup simply make more sense that way. A starting 5 of Jennings, KCP (or Stuckey), Luigi, Smith, and Monroe makes way more sense than Jennings, KCP (or Stuckey), Smith, Monroe, and Drummond. It spreads the court better, roles are more clearly defined, and all of those bigs will benefit from the spacing rather than clogging each other up.

Third, the bench crew makes more sense as well. You get a fresh Drummond coming in with a crew led by a veteran PG in Billups. One of Monroe or Smith stay in and slide to the 4.

Fourth, there are plenty of minutes to make all three bigs happy at just the PF and C slots. We did this with Wallace, Wallace, and Dice back in the day and it worked great. You have 96 minutes available at those positions. That's 32 for each of them on average, which is about perfect.

Fifth, it puts Smith in a position to succeed rather than standing on the perimeter. We all know he's better defensively and offensively at the PF position.

Like I said originally, I know this won't be popular because most Piston fans have put so many hopes and dreams into Drummond. We want to accelerate that as fast as possible and rush him into the spotlight. I also doubt that the franchise would let this happen for the same reasons. But I think it makes the most sense for him to be the first guy off the bench in what would be the best big man rotation in the league.

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I didn't mean "hang with" to be read as "positively be able to beat". However . . .

-Brooklyn is an old team with a rookie coach that could be pretty worn out come playoff time.

-Chicago just let Nate Robinson walk in hopes that Rose comes back 100% and stays there. If Jimmy Butler evolves they have no problems, if he doesn't then ??

-The NYK do not scare me, and I'm not sure how Melo exactly gets a walk in the park going up against Josh Smith (when Smith does play SF, and who knows how much of his time will be spent there?).

Position-by-position, the Pistons do not have many matchup problems against the NYK. Let's take a look: Chandler vs Drummond, Bargnani vs Monroe, Anthony vs Smith, Hardaway/Shumpert vs KCP, Felton vs Jennings, Stoudamire/MWP vs Mitchell/Datome, Smith vs Stuckey, Beno (if signed) vs Billups/Bynum, Amare vs CV31, Martin vs JJ.

The Knicks look deeper but not necessarily worlds better.

Derrick Rose was 100% by February. His brother Reggie told him not to play so he sat out the season. Rose will be 100% next year. Letting Nate Robinson walk was no big deal because Nate Robinson is no big deal. and Jimmy Butler already has developed.

The worry for the Bulls is injuries. Noah, Deng, Gibson are all hurt a lot. Rose should be fine. The Bulls are better than Detroit, but at least Detroit has closed the gap in talent and athleticism. No more watching Noah murder Greg Monroe every night.

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Not even sure they are deeper. Knicks are weak IMO.

I also think the Knicks are paper tigers. They had a lot of luck this season, and no more Jason Kidd to run things for them.

Melo v Smith would be fun to watch.

What's not going to be fun to watch? Jennings trying to check point guards.

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It'd not a perfect comparison of course, but I don't think it's awful by any means. Gordon was a little guy who was a great shot maker who dominated the ball and didn't always make the best decisions. Jennings is similar.

I mean, it's not like I did something completely crazy like comparing Trey Burke to Chris Paul... ;)

Another difference is Jennings contract is not outrageous, and he comes to a position of need. I really don't think Ben Gordon was brought in to come off the bench, I think Dumars probably planned on moving Hamilton at the time (while he had value), but the plan was derailed.

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Still clearly better than the Pistons though.

IMO, There is a top 5 tier in the East with a dropoff after that....

Miami

Indy

Chicago

Nets

Knicks

Pistons

Cavs

Wizards

Hawks

Raptors

Everybody else (Wiggins contenders).

I don't think the Knicks are really that much better. They are old/injury prone.

I think the Pistons will get into the playoffs, if they do I think they could be tough matchups on some of those teams. Imagine a series with the heat, they really struggle with size, and J Smith is one of the few defenders who can cause Lebron problems.

Miami/Pacers are probably 1/2

Chicago/Nets 3/4

Then I think you go Knicks/Pistons/Cavs/Wizards 5-8, in some order, maybe Atl can battle in but I think they are on the downswing.

Have you looked at the Knicks roster, Carmelo is about all they have, a good piece, but Stoudemire is about done, and Chandler is on the downslope of his career. They could really take a big step back this year.

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I have to say (and everyone is going to hate this) that I'm leaning towards Drummond coming off the bench in a wicked 3-big rotation. I don't think it will happen because the franchise is pinning a lot on him, but I really think it makes the most sense in so many ways.

First of all, Drummond is really young at only 19. There's no reason not to bring him along as the first guy off the bench and play him 25 to 30 minutes a game in that role. It gives him a chance to perform and grow at his pace and not have as much of a need to press things.

Second, the lineup simply make more sense that way. A starting 5 of Jennings, KCP (or Stuckey), Luigi, Smith, and Monroe makes way more sense than Jennings, KCP (or Stuckey), Smith, Monroe, and Drummond. It spreads the court better, roles are more clearly defined, and all of those bigs will benefit from the spacing rather than clogging each other up.

Third, the bench crew makes more sense as well. You get a fresh Drummond coming in with a crew led by a veteran PG in Billups. One of Monroe or Smith stay in and slide to the 4.

Fourth, there are plenty of minutes to make all three bigs happy at just the PF and C slots. We did this with Wallace, Wallace, and Dice back in the day and it worked great. You have 96 minutes available at those positions. That's 32 for each of them on average, which is about perfect.

Fifth, it puts Smith in a position to succeed rather than standing on the perimeter. We all know he's better defensively and offensively at the PF position.

Like I said originally, I know this won't be popular because most Piston fans have put so many hopes and dreams into Drummond. We want to accelerate that as fast as possible and rush him into the spotlight. I also doubt that the franchise would let this happen for the same reasons. But I think it makes the most sense for him to be the first guy off the bench in what would be the best big man rotation in the league.

I somewhat agree with this. I think the 3 should start the game together with Drummond being subbed for at about 8 mins in the 1st. Bring Drummond back out with the bench. Smith comes in at about the 6 min mark of the 2nd and plays along side Drummond until Monroe replaces Drummond at the 8 min mark. That's about 30-32 mins for Drummond, 36-38 mins for Smith, and 34-36 for Monroe.

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I have to say (and everyone is going to hate this) that I'm leaning towards Drummond coming off the bench in a wicked 3-big rotation. I don't think it will happen because the franchise is pinning a lot on him, but I really think it makes the most sense in so many ways.

I can see where your coming from, and I agree there are plenty of minutes to go around for the three of them. It's not likely, but you never know.

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Derrick Rose was 100% by February. His brother Reggie told him not to play so he sat out the season. Rose will be 100% next year. Letting Nate Robinson walk was no big deal because Nate Robinson is no big deal. and Jimmy Butler already has developed.

The worry for the Bulls is injuries. Noah, Deng, Gibson are all hurt a lot. Rose should be fine. The Bulls are better than Detroit, but at least Detroit has closed the gap in talent and athleticism. No more watching Noah murder Greg Monroe every night.

But who's 100% will Rose be? Will he be MVP 100%, or will he be like Monta Ellis' 100% when he came back from his injury--an acceptable-but-diminished version of himself. And I am well aware of the Rose media situation. Until I see him blowing by people at will again, I'll be skeptical. People take ACL reconstruction for granted these days, with AP rushing for a million yards after going through it like he was only coming off a sprained ankle. There is still plenty that can go wrong.

Nate Robinson helped that team out quite a bit last season, even though he's not a real starting pg. Heinrich is old and Teague is unproven.

And if Jimmy Butler is indeed a finished product, then I guess I'm worried about nothing. He tailed off a bit at the end of the season and there were far fewer offensive mini-explosions. With even a little more polish he really rounds that five out in style.

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I somewhat agree with this. I think the 3 should start the game together with Drummond being subbed for at about 8 mins in the 1st. Bring Drummond back out with the bench. Smith comes in at about the 6 min mark of the 2nd and plays along side Drummond until Monroe replaces Drummond at the 8 min mark. That's about 30-32 mins for Drummond, 36-38 mins for Smith, and 34-36 for Monroe.

Somewhere in between this and what Betrayer said sounds about right. 28 min for Drummond, and 35 and each for Smith and Monroe. You try to keep at least one of those guys on the floor at all times sans garbage time, and hope some mix of CV31, Mitchell and JJ (and/or whoever we can land in a trade) can hold down the remaining bigs minutes.

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But who's 100% will Rose be? Will he be MVP 100%, or will he be like Monta Ellis' 100% when he came back from his injury--an acceptable-but-diminished version of himself. And I am well aware of the Rose media situation. Until I see him blowing by people at will again, I'll be skeptical. People take ACL reconstruction for granted these days, with AP rushing for a million yards after going through it like he was only coming off a sprained ankle. There is still plenty that can go wrong.

Nate Robinson helped that team out quite a bit last season, even though he's not a real starting pg. Heinrich is old and Teague is unproven.

And if Jimmy Butler is indeed a finished product, then I guess I'm worried about nothing. He tailed off a bit at the end of the season and there were far fewer offensive mini-explosions. With even a little more polish he really rounds that five out in style.

Rose will be fine. He was doing all the things he did before he was hurt, but didn't want to play because his brother told him not to.

Butler was very good last year. If he regresses, then good. I hope he does, but he was good last year.

Robinson is superfluous with Rose coming back. And Rose at 50% is better than Nate Robinson. Dunleavy will help them a lot this year.

I can't stand Rose now. I hope he sucks this year. Pansy.

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I have to say (and everyone is going to hate this) that I'm leaning towards Drummond coming off the bench in a wicked 3-big rotation. I don't think it will happen because the franchise is pinning a lot on him, but I really think it makes the most sense in so many ways.

First of all, Drummond is really young at only 19. There's no reason not to bring him along as the first guy off the bench and play him 25 to 30 minutes a game in that role. It gives him a chance to perform and grow at his pace and not have as much of a need to press things.

Second, the lineup simply make more sense that way. A starting 5 of Jennings, KCP (or Stuckey), Luigi, Smith, and Monroe makes way more sense than Jennings, KCP (or Stuckey), Smith, Monroe, and Drummond. It spreads the court better, roles are more clearly defined, and all of those bigs will benefit from the spacing rather than clogging each other up.

Third, the bench crew makes more sense as well. You get a fresh Drummond coming in with a crew led by a veteran PG in Billups. One of Monroe or Smith stay in and slide to the 4.

Fourth, there are plenty of minutes to make all three bigs happy at just the PF and C slots. We did this with Wallace, Wallace, and Dice back in the day and it worked great. You have 96 minutes available at those positions. That's 32 for each of them on average, which is about perfect.

Fifth, it puts Smith in a position to succeed rather than standing on the perimeter. We all know he's better defensively and offensively at the PF position.

Like I said originally, I know this won't be popular because most Piston fans have put so many hopes and dreams into Drummond. We want to accelerate that as fast as possible and rush him into the spotlight. I also doubt that the franchise would let this happen for the same reasons. But I think it makes the most sense for him to be the first guy off the bench in what would be the best big man rotation in the league.

I think that's reasonable. Just because he doesn't start the game doesn't mean he can't get starter's minutes, a la Wallace/Wallace/McDyess as you mentioned. I wouldn't mind seeing the trio on the court at times just to see how it works out.

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I have to say (and everyone is going to hate this) that I'm leaning towards Drummond coming off the bench in a wicked 3-big rotation. I don't think it will happen because the franchise is pinning a lot on him, but I really think it makes the most sense in so many ways.

First of all, Drummond is really young at only 19. There's no reason not to bring him along as the first guy off the bench and play him 25 to 30 minutes a game in that role. It gives him a chance to perform and grow at his pace and not have as much of a need to press things.

Second, the lineup simply make more sense that way. A starting 5 of Jennings, KCP (or Stuckey), Luigi, Smith, and Monroe makes way more sense than Jennings, KCP (or Stuckey), Smith, Monroe, and Drummond. It spreads the court better, roles are more clearly defined, and all of those bigs will benefit from the spacing rather than clogging each other up.

Third, the bench crew makes more sense as well. You get a fresh Drummond coming in with a crew led by a veteran PG in Billups. One of Monroe or Smith stay in and slide to the 4.

Fourth, there are plenty of minutes to make all three bigs happy at just the PF and C slots. We did this with Wallace, Wallace, and Dice back in the day and it worked great. You have 96 minutes available at those positions. That's 32 for each of them on average, which is about perfect.

Fifth, it puts Smith in a position to succeed rather than standing on the perimeter. We all know he's better defensively and offensively at the PF position.

Like I said originally, I know this won't be popular because most Piston fans have put so many hopes and dreams into Drummond. We want to accelerate that as fast as possible and rush him into the spotlight. I also doubt that the franchise would let this happen for the same reasons. But I think it makes the most sense for him to be the first guy off the bench in what would be the best big man rotation in the league.

I can see them doing this but not as a starting lineup. I think it depends on who they are facing and which of our shooters are hot at the time.

I certainly can see Drummond being removed from the starting lineup if his free throw % stays in the 30s or 40s though.

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I have to say (and everyone is going to hate this) that I'm leaning towards Drummond coming off the bench in a wicked 3-big rotation. I don't think it will happen because the franchise is pinning a lot on him, but I really think it makes the most sense in so many ways.

First of all, Drummond is really young at only 19. There's no reason not to bring him along as the first guy off the bench and play him 25 to 30 minutes a game in that role. It gives him a chance to perform and grow at his pace and not have as much of a need to press things.

Second, the lineup simply make more sense that way. A starting 5 of Jennings, KCP (or Stuckey), Luigi, Smith, and Monroe makes way more sense than Jennings, KCP (or Stuckey), Smith, Monroe, and Drummond. It spreads the court better, roles are more clearly defined, and all of those bigs will benefit from the spacing rather than clogging each other up.

Third, the bench crew makes more sense as well. You get a fresh Drummond coming in with a crew led by a veteran PG in Billups. One of Monroe or Smith stay in and slide to the 4.

Fourth, there are plenty of minutes to make all three bigs happy at just the PF and C slots. We did this with Wallace, Wallace, and Dice back in the day and it worked great. You have 96 minutes available at those positions. That's 32 for each of them on average, which is about perfect.

Fifth, it puts Smith in a position to succeed rather than standing on the perimeter. We all know he's better defensively and offensively at the PF position.

Like I said originally, I know this won't be popular because most Piston fans have put so many hopes and dreams into Drummond. We want to accelerate that as fast as possible and rush him into the spotlight. I also doubt that the franchise would let this happen for the same reasons. But I think it makes the most sense for him to be the first guy off the bench in what would be the best big man rotation in the league.

I don't hate this idea at all, if it doesn't piss Drummond off. Our bench would be fantastic.

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I can see them doing this but not as a starting lineup. I think it depends on who they are facing and which of our shooters are hot at the time.

I certainly can see Drummond being removed from the starting lineup if his free throw % stays in the 30s or 40s though.

I can see Drummond being removed from the NBA if his FT shooting stays in the 30s!

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I can see Drummond being removed from the NBA if his FT shooting stays in the 30s!

yeah, because what use is a guy who averages a double double with 3+ blocks a game if he can't hit his FT's...send him to europe

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yeah, because what use is a guy who averages a double double with 3+ blocks a game if he can't hit his FT's...send him to europe

Someone already posted the analysis, if you get much less than 45% at the line the opposition is foolish to let you touch the ball. So he is reduced to a one way player. OK, so that's not completely horrible. We had maybe the best one-way player of the last few years in Ben Wallace - but even Ben hit 45% in his good yrs and he was on the floor with a bunch of other guys who could shoot. AD is going to have a painful career if he stays at 38% - hopefully he won't - no good reason he should.

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Someone already posted the analysis, if you get much less than 45% at the line the opposition is foolish to let you touch the ball. So he is reduced to a one way player. OK, so that's not completely horrible. We had maybe the best one-way player of the last few years in Ben Wallace - but even Ben hit 45% in his good yrs and he was on the floor with a bunch of other guys who could shoot. AD is going to have a painful career if he stays at 38% - hopefully he won't - no good reason he should.
They didn't run a single play for him last year and he was by far a much better offensive threat then Wallace with his ability to run the floor, put back offensive rebounds, and play above the rim. These were things Ben couldn't do. He can remain a 5th option for years to come and he'll still be a player that needs to have a body on him or you'll pay for it with easy baskets, dunks and alley oops, again, something you didn't have to worry about with Ben.

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They didn't run a single play for him last year and he was by far a much better offensive threat then Wallace with his ability to run the floor, put back offensive rebounds, and play above the rim. These were things Ben couldn't do. He can remain a 5th option for years to come and he'll still be a player that needs to have a body on him or you'll pay for it with easy baskets, dunks and alley oops, again, something you didn't have to worry about with Ben.

I'm sure the Pistons are hoping for Drummond to develop a vastly better offensive game than Ben while retaining his defensive qualities. Practice, coaching, and maturity should enable Drummond to hit at least 60% of his FTs over the next couple years.

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