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I don't know how anyone can be upset about this trade. Short money, short years, traded pieces that no longer seemed to fit on the team and got an extremely talented player. I have no idea how this team will look with all these new teams but if anyone thinks for a second that Brandon Jennings doesn't take pressure off of the Smith and Monroe and go a long way to preventing teams from packing the paint you're crazy. NO ONE looks at Jennings stats and says, "this is a guy we don't have to guard so lets just pack the paint".

We now have a team full of extremely talented players. After Howard and Paul we got the two best available FA's on the market and that's not a bad off-season. The question now remains "is Cheeks the right guy for this job". At this time I'd say he's not but I guess time will tell. There are a lot of new pieces that commanded a lot of shots in their previous jobs. In a lot of ways I see these new pieces as being a real detriment to Monroe growing as a player as his strongest assets are his offense and they've basically just signed 2 guys that will dominate the Pistons offense. I would imagine his USG%(just for you Del) is going to plummet this season. Maybe that will be good for him, maybe not. I would think it will help his efficiency but not his overall game impact.

Gonna be a real interesting season. At least we can stop worrying about who we're gonna draft in 2014.

This is how I feel. The signings could blow up on us, but they could also be similar to adding Chauncey and Rasheed. The reputations and talent levels of the players involved isn't all that different. Jennings and Chauncey's similarities are pretty eerie, offensively at the least. Smith and Sheed have a lot of statistical similarities too.

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Who is backup center?

What are the Pistons doing at small Forward.

Seems like a big is really needed to come off the bench.

SF I would assume is Smith,Jerebko and then whoever looks better in camp out of Datome and Singler. I think 5 guys will get minutes between the 2 and the 3 for the most part and someone will be left out.

As for backup C, options are limited. There's Aldrich,Pryzbilla,Diop,Petro and maybe Orton, in addition to Collins who I mentioned above.

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Who is backup center?

What are the Pistons doing at small Forward.

Seems like a big is really needed to come off the bench.

SF - Smith, Singler, Italian dude

I know it's been said that playing a fairly large number of minutes with only 2 of Drummond/Smith/Monroe on the floor at the same time is the kind of decision that gets a coach fired, but I still think starting the halves with the 3 of them and then subbing them around to get Smith time at PF while Monroe and Drummond share the rest of the time at C is the smartest way to use this current roster most efficiently. Adding a 3rd C is a must though. I'd love to see the Pistons make a late run at Oden or DeJuan Blair but any warm body is good enough for me at this point. I was happy enough with Krastov and he was no prize....hey, maybe Darko would be willing to come back!

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The best thing about this trade is that we still have Stuckey and CV. If we're in the hunt this season, there's a good chance we can make a significant move to bring in someone that can push us over the edge. Who knows if it will happen, but it's nice to still have the ammunition.

^this is huge and I totally agree.

I'm very happy with this trade. A lot of you guys are talking like Jennings has hit his ceiling and that he will always be a chucker. I think he has a lot of talent, he's still only 23, has two very smart PG mentors in Cheeks and Billups, and with more scoring options could reduce the amount of shots he takes by quite a bit. He is instantly the most talented guard on the roster and a massive upgrade over Knight. I think we definitely got the best of Milwaukee in this trade and their fans gotta be scratching their heads -- why didn't Milwaukee just give him that contract and keep him? They traded a 50 cent piece and got back a dime and 2 nickels.

Two thumbs up from this oft-disappointed fan. This move mostly redeems Dumars' asinine decision to give up a 1st rd pick in the best draft in NBA history to shed a bad contract. No matter how you look at it, this team is going to be worlds more entertaining than the bucket of slop they ran out the past couple of years.

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Let's see how it plays out before we go ga ga for Brandon Jennings. As for his shot, he has the ABILITY to make threes. However, he insists on taking STUPID threes that lower his percentage. If he plays like he did in Milwaukee, Piston fans are going to get awfully frustrated from seeing him dribble the ball for 20 seconds and then shoot a fade-away three.

In Smith and Jennings they've collected two talented players who take a lot of dumb shots. But Jennings is young and Smith - while being in the NBA for a long time - still isn't an old man. If they can be coached to play smarter, then it's a definite upgrade.

But that's a big "if." Betting on NBA players to get "smarter" and stop being selfish is fool's gold most of the time. But that's what we have to hang our hats on right now. The team is young and more athletic than it was last year. There is room for development.

For the first time in a long time there is reason to watch the Pistons.

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You know who Jennings reminds me of? Ben Gordon in Chicago. A great shot maker who needed to dominate the ball to be successful.

And we all know how that turned out...

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What's Billups' role now that we have Jennings? I don't think Billups expected to be a backup when he signed here.

Does Jennings start at SG so Billups can start at PG?

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You know who Jennings reminds me of? Ben Gordon in Chicago. A great shot maker who needed to dominate the ball to be successful.

Awful comparison. Jennings is a legit passer and has excellent vision. Gordon has none of that. Jennings can be real effective without jacking up shots, Ben Gordon can't.

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Not worried about the C position. When Drummond was healthy last year Slava didn't play. Sure, we had Maxiell, but now we have Smith. I fully expect to see Monroe spend time at Center with Smith at PF. Singler and Luigi will back up the SF position and take those minutes.

Center: Drummond 33 minutes, Monroe 15 minutes

Power Forward: Monroe 20 minutes, Smith 20 minutes, Jerebko/CV/Mitchell get the scraps

Small Forward: Smith 15 minutes, Singler/Luigi/KCP/Jerebko will get the rest

I expect Jennings and Stuckey to be our starters at guard. Jennings is a PG, not a SG or a combo guard. He's just a scoring point, much like Westbrook. Let's not forget that he averaged 6.5 assists per game last year. To try to make him a 2 in order to accommodate a 37 year old PG would be foolish. Billups comes off the bench and mentors Jennings -that's his role.

Stuckey starts at SG until KCP is ready. Unfortunate, but true.

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But come on man, you can't count on 2 guys, one of them being your starter at PF, eating up all the minutes at C. Also, 33 minutes may be high. Cs minutes are generally pretty low. Roy Hibbert has never averaged 30 minutes over a season for one comparison.

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there are 14 C's in the league averaging 30+ mpg as opposed to 13 SG's and 9 PF's. The only reason a player at a specific position doesn't average 30+ mpg is the quality of the player for the most part. Not sure why Hibbert only played 28, but he did avg close to 40 in the ECSF's and ECF's.

Drummond should definitely play 30mpg with Monroe hopefully at about 24 and Smith at around 35.

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I've cringed when I've read the stuff about Jennings around the internet (starting with the links posted here).

It seems the Pistons have a mish-mash of pretty good athletes, but how they will work together is a complete mystery. And there's potential it could all slap them in the face.

All that said, it's a different team and it's a more athletic team. And Jennings is young. At 23, his NBA story isn't set in stone - or it doesn't have to be.

Like a few have said, win or lose at least you go into this season with some curiosity of what may happen, and at least on July 31 that's something. What I'll think about it on Jan. 31 and thereafter means a little more than July 31.

I like the competitive relationship between Billups and Jennings vs. what Billups vs. Knight would've been. At least Jennings is a PG. Knight wasn't mechanically trying to learn the position. It would've been easy to push him to the bench and therefore Knight not getting the opportunities he really needed. With Jennings that's not going to be possible. Faults and all, Jennings is the guy.

Now it's just a matter of being patient and seeing what happens.

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After this upcoming season, the Pistons will have ~17 million to spend based on Stuckey and Villanueva being gone and they have a 2.5 million team option on Billups. They also need to pay Monroe at some point if they decide to keep him. Is that correct?

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Well, I hate JENNINGS, but at least some of the Greg Monroe vitriol we see from certain posters will find a new player to focus on. Brandon Jennings will surely take over as the elite whipping boy on the Pistons.

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After this upcoming season, the Pistons will have ~17 million to spend based on Stuckey and Villanueva being gone and they have a 2.5 million team option on Billups. They also need to pay Monroe at some point if they decide to keep him. Is that correct?

These are short time problems, the Salary cap in the NBA is expected to possible double within the next 5 years, the new TV contract being worked on now will double revenues. It's not unlikely that the cap should hit 100 million by 2016, the large contracts should not be feared as much with this coming into play.

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Brandon Jennings will surely take over as the elite whipping boy on the Pistons.

As a Pistons fan, I hope the season goes better than expected and there will be less whipping on a whipping boy.

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there are 14 C's in the league averaging 30+ mpg as opposed to 13 SG's and 9 PF's. The only reason a player at a specific position doesn't average 30+ mpg is the quality of the player for the most part. Not sure why Hibbert only played 28, but he did avg close to 40 in the ECSF's and ECF's.

Drummond should definitely play 30mpg with Monroe hopefully at about 24 and Smith at around 35.

30's about his max I'd say at the very least. Of the 14 Cs, 3 were really PFs(P.Gasol,Bosh and Boozer) and one only played 25 games(Varejao). One was Horford who is kind of a hybrid too, and another was Monroe. Point being, the bigger guys like Drummond tend to be under 35 minutes for the most part and likely closer to 30.

Did you mistype on Monroe's minutes? He'll surely average a lot more than 24. Probably 34-36

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After this upcoming season, the Pistons will have ~17 million to spend based on Stuckey and Villanueva being gone and they have a 2.5 million team option on Billups. They also need to pay Monroe at some point if they decide to keep him. Is that correct?

I get the feeling they are looking to be at or at least not too far above the cap. They'll probably let those contracts expire and just pay Monroe. Maybe add a role player.

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As a Pistons fan, I hope the season goes better than expected and there will be less whipping on a whipping boy.

I think we should be the 6th seed to be honest. I mean, look what Jennings took to the 8th seed last year. He has a lot more talent around him now IMO.

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I think we should be the 6th seed to be honest. I mean, look what Jennings took to the 8th seed last year. He has a lot more talent around him now IMO.

I don't think you are far off here. Aside from Miami and Indy, I don't think there is a team in the EC that a healthy Detroit team can't hang with in a series. And Miami is more topheavy than Dolly Parton. A late-season injury to one of the big three and it's open season.

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Did you mistype on Monroe's minutes? He'll surely average a lot more than 24. Probably 34-36
yes, it was a typo.
I don't think you are far off here. Aside from Miami and Indy, I don't think there is a team in the EC that a healthy Detroit team can't hang with in a series. And Miami is more topheavy than Dolly Parton. A late-season injury to one of the big three and it's open season.
I think we will match up quite favorably with Miami this year actually. Then again, Smith struggles mightily against them which makes no sense to me being they're so weak inside. Maybe a case of trying to do too much.

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I don't think you are far off here. Aside from Miami and Indy, I don't think there is a team in the EC that a healthy Detroit team can't hang with in a series. And Miami is more topheavy than Dolly Parton. A late-season injury to one of the big three and it's open season.

Brooklyn's experience would probably be tough for us to deal with, as would Chicago's experience,toughness and D. I think we could potentially take the Knicks in a 7 game series though and thats a good start. Melo over Josh Smith is basically their one big advantage.

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The hope with this team is we overwhelm smaller teams with Smith/Monroe/Drummond. Not necessarily all 3 on the court at once, but 3 above average big men on a team can pay huge dividends.

If Jennings can develop into a good PG, and guys like Luigi, KCP, Mitchell provide a rookie boost while vets like BIllups can stabilize the lineup, we certainly have a chance of winning a playoff series. I don’t think we will win a series this year, but I do think we can at least compete.

If nothing else, this team is now 10X more entertaining than it has been for years.

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Awful comparison. Jennings is a legit passer and has excellent vision. Gordon has none of that. Jennings can be real effective without jacking up shots, Ben Gordon can't.

It'd not a perfect comparison of course, but I don't think it's awful by any means. Gordon was a little guy who was a great shot maker who dominated the ball and didn't always make the best decisions. Jennings is similar.

I mean, it's not like I did something completely crazy like comparing Trey Burke to Chris Paul... ;)

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