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Why is it a foregone conclusion that Monroe gets a max deal? People thought guys like Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings would be massively overpaid this off-season but it didn't happen. I am not sure sure that will be the case with Monroe.

Its not foregone, but its somewhat likely. Its possible, like Del talks about, that he takes less because he can get security now instead of later, but if he hits the market he may get a max offer. He's probably better and more valuable long term(youth, room to grow) than Josh Smith or say, Nikola Pekovic.

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If the Kings sign Cousins to a max deal in the next few months does that put pressure on the Pistons to do the same for Monroe?

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Any update on when the Pistons/NBA regular season schedule will be released?

Funny you mention that. I just saw something a few minutes ago that said the schedule will probably come out next Tuesday.

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FWIW, I just read John Wall and the Wizards are about to agree on a max contract. 5/$80M.

Thing is, Wall is a lot better than Monroe. After coming back from his injury last year he was probably a top 15-20 player. Post All-Star game he averaged 20.7 points, 7.8 assists, and 4.5 rebounds per game. And the Wizards were playing good ball.

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Players who enter free agency or are about to enter free agency are almost always overpaid. Greg Monroe will be overpaid too. He'll probably get something close to what Wall is getting.

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FWIW, I just read John Wall and the Wizards are about to agree on a max contract. 5/$80M.

Thing is, Wall is a lot better than Monroe. After coming back from his injury last year he was probably a top 15-20 player. Post All-Star game he averaged 20.7 points, 7.8 assists, and 4.5 rebounds per game. And the Wizards were playing good ball.

He played really well for half of a season. I would really like to see him repeat that for an entire season, but he did look good.

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Some of you are nuts. There is NO WAY ZERO ZILCH ZIP.COM chance that Monroe gets a max deal as it stands now. Plus, keep in mind that he's an RFA as opposed to a UFA so that should be taken into account when adding up his numbers since the Pistons holds his rights beyond this year. On the opposite side of the spectrum, there's no chance that he's only getting 8 mil/yr like a poster mentioned above, that's just not realistic.

As Del said, something between 10-12 mil/yr on a 4-5 year deal should be expected and I would be just fine with giving him a deal like that. I'm really opposed to dealing him unlike some of you here unless he has some outrageous contract demands.

The difference between Wall and Monroe is draft pedigree and upside. If you look at their numbers thus far, it's not too much of a spread but when you're a #1 and starting to play up that potential, you're going to get paid top dollar. Monroe isn't on that level and doesn't have as much upside as Wall.

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Players who enter free agency or are about to enter free agency are almost always overpaid. Greg Monroe will be overpaid too. He'll probably get something close to what Wall is getting.

Tell that to Brandon Jennings.

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Monta Ellis is another good example of a free agent not getting paid. He turned down a 3/$36M offer from Milwaukee before free agency started. He ended up signing with Dallas for 3/$25M. Oops.

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Rosters set for Thursday’s USA Basketball intra-squad showcase | ProBasketballTalk

BLUE TEAM

# NAME

46 Harrison Barnes

36 DeMarcus Cousins

42 Anthony Davis

41 DeMar DeRozan

37 Derrick Favors

31 Gordon Hayward

22 Damian Lillard

62 Greg Monroe

34 Klay Thompson

51 Dion Waiters

26 Kemba Walker

50 John Wall G

Coach: Tom Thibodeau, Chicago Bulls

WHITE TEAM

# NAME

24 Ryan Anderson

20 Mike Conley

25 Andre Drummond

33 Kenneth Faried

29 Paul George

27 Jrue Holiday

23 Kyrie Irving

35 DeAndre Jordan

32 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist

21 Ty Lawson

39 Chandler Parsons

38 Tyler Zelle

Coach: Monty Williams, New Orleans Pelicans

They will show the game on NBATV at 3PM Thursday.

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They will show the game on NBATV at 3PM Thursday.

Looks like 9pm our time (6pm Pacific).

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Some of you are nuts. There is NO WAY ZERO ZILCH ZIP.COM chance that Monroe gets a max deal as it stands now. Plus, keep in mind that he's an RFA as opposed to a UFA so that should be taken into account when adding up his numbers since the Pistons holds his rights beyond this year. On the opposite side of the spectrum, there's no chance that he's only getting 8 mil/yr like a poster mentioned above, that's just not realistic.

As Del said, something between 10-12 mil/yr on a 4-5 year deal should be expected and I would be just fine with giving him a deal like that. I'm really opposed to dealing him unlike some of you here unless he has some outrageous contract demands.

The difference between Wall and Monroe is draft pedigree and upside. If you look at their numbers thus far, it's not too much of a spread but when you're a #1 and starting to play up that potential, you're going to get paid top dollar. Monroe isn't on that level and doesn't have as much upside as Wall.

FTR, I didn't say he was going to get 8 million, I said he probably should be in the 8-10 range based on his on court impact. That was just my opinion on his worth. He will definitely get 4 and 40+. Hopefully not too much more.

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Some of you are nuts. There is NO WAY ZERO ZILCH ZIP.COM chance that Monroe gets a max deal as it stands now. Plus, keep in mind that he's an RFA as opposed to a UFA so that should be taken into account when adding up his numbers since the Pistons holds his rights beyond this year. On the opposite side of the spectrum, there's no chance that he's only getting 8 mil/yr like a poster mentioned above, that's just not realistic.

As Del said, something between 10-12 mil/yr on a 4-5 year deal should be expected and I would be just fine with giving him a deal like that. I'm really opposed to dealing him unlike some of you here unless he has some outrageous contract demands.

The difference between Wall and Monroe is draft pedigree and upside. If you look at their numbers thus far, it's not too much of a spread but when you're a #1 and starting to play up that potential, you're going to get paid top dollar. Monroe isn't on that level and doesn't have as much upside as Wall.

There is plenty of chance that Monroe doesn't get a max deal, but its certainly not 0% that he does get one. He's 23 years old and I'd say he ranks pretty similarly to a guy like Pekovic, if not better. Pekovic, who is 4 years older and about to get 4/50, maybe slightly more. That's as a restricted FA with nobody having any cap space to offer him more right now. A max deal for Monroe is about 4/60-65. Its certainly not ludicrous to think he could get that, from us or on the open market next year. A lot of teams are saving cap space and most of them are going to miss out on Lebron and co.

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One day I will learn how to tell time.

I only realized it because I was setting my DVR and couldn't find it listed at 1pm.

The season needs to start already. I'll watch anything at this point, just scrounging for basketball to watch, especially when Pistons are involved.

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There is plenty of chance that Monroe doesn't get a max deal, but its certainly not 0% that he does get one. He's 23 years old and I'd say he ranks pretty similarly to a guy like Pekovic, if not better. Pekovic, who is 4 years older and about to get 4/50, maybe slightly more. That's as a restricted FA with nobody having any cap space to offer him more right now. A max deal for Monroe is about 4/60-65. Its certainly not ludicrous to think he could get that, from us or on the open market next year. A lot of teams are saving cap space and most of them are going to miss out on Lebron and co.

Based on Monroe's track record, i don't see any chance that he receives a max deal. There is no market for a player of his level getting a max deal. A better player in Josh Smith (albeit an older player with less room for growth) who was a UFA and probably could have had his choice of overpayment from many teams didn't get a max deal so i just don't see Monroe getting one.

Is he already a UFA after next season? I thought that he was still an RFA after his rookie deal expires so he won't be hitting the open market for a while yet. He could very well be the target of an offer sheet though if the Pistons don't re-sign him by next offseason, wouldn't that be a swift kick in the junk?

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Based on Monroe's track record, i don't see any chance that he receives a max deal. There is no market for a player of his level getting a max deal. A better player in Josh Smith (albeit an older player with less room for growth) who was a UFA and probably could have had his choice of overpayment from many teams didn't get a max deal so i just don't see Monroe getting one.

Is he already a UFA after next season? I thought that he was still an RFA after his rookie deal expires so he won't be hitting the open market for a while yet. He could very well be the target of an offer sheet though if the Pistons don't re-sign him by next offseason, wouldn't that be a swift kick in the junk?

A Josh Smith max deal was/is different than a Greg Monroe max deal.

There are three levels of a max deal. 0-6 years is 25% of the salary cap. 7-9 years (Smith) is 30% of the salary cap. 10+ is 35% of the salary cap.

So Smith was eligible for a max deal that in its first year would have paid him $16.4M with a maximum of 4.5% raises each year after.

Monroe being in the 0-6 range is eligible for a max deal of $13.6M in his first year with max raises of 7.5% (4.5% if its a team other than his own) each year after. A player in the 0-6 year range can bump his max salary up to the 30% rate by meeting the following criteria:

Named to the All-NBA First, Second or Third team at least twice

Voted as a starter in the All-Star game at least twice

Named the NBA Most Valuable Player at least once

If the Pistons don't sign Monroe before October 31, 2013 he will become a restricted free agent next summer. He will be eligible to sign an offer sheet with other teams. If he signs one the Pistons will have 3 days to match the offer.

If he doesn't sign an offer sheet or an extension next summer, he will play 2014/2015 on his qualifying offer. Then in the summer of 2015 he will be an unrestricted free agent.

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One other note from that previous post.

A players first year is the greater of the 25%/30%/35% or 105% of his last years salary.

Kobe Bryant is a good example here. He is in the league 10+ years and will make $30M this year. If he was to sign a new contract next year he doesn't have to drop back to the $19.1M mark (35% of the cap). He can take 105% of his salary from the last year of his contract. So his max deal could start at $31.5M.

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Larry Sanders and John Henson as the East's best young frountcourt? That's probably all I needed to read to realize his opinion was garbage.

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Larry Sanders and John Henson as the East's best young frountcourt? That's probably all I needed to read to realize his opinion was garbage.

I didn't take his comment to mean they are the best. I took it to mean they are in the discussion as the best. Which I would agree with completely. Outside of Monroe/Drummond I think Henson/Sanders might be #2 on that list.

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I didn't take it that way, but even if I did, I still think it's garbage. Pretty sure Hibbert and West would agree. Brook Lopez and Kevin Garnett. Noah and Boozer. Horford and Milsap. In fact there aren't that many frontcourts that I wouldn't take over the Bucks.

Or, maybe he just meant froncourts with young players. I mean, if we narrow it down far enough we can make it true and even more meaningless. Should we just narrow it down to frontcourts that add up to 455 lbs total? Maybe I'll buy it then.

This isn't an attack on you, Del, just on the idiot who wrote that article.

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I didn't take it that way, but even if I did, I still think it's garbage. Pretty sure Hibbert and West would agree. Brook Lopez and Kevin Garnett. Noah and Boozer. Horford and Milsap. In fact there aren't that many frontcourts that I wouldn't take over the Bucks.

Or, maybe he just meant froncourts with young players. I mean, if we narrow it down far enough we can make it true and even more meaningless. Should we just narrow it down to frontcourts that add up to 455 lbs total? Maybe I'll buy it then.

This isn't an attack on you, Del, just on the idiot who wrote that article.

Best YOUNG frontcourt.

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