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I meant to post this yesterday. In his chat yesterday, Goodwill said the Pistons started the preliminary stuff in regards to their coaching search this week. Expect interviews to start next week he said.

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Of course it was dumb.

Should he foul every player who is about to make a layup? I mean, every time someone is about to make an easy layup, should he hit their arm? How many three point plays would he give up?

Instead he gets props for making a largely futile effort to block a dunk that he has about a 1% chance of blocking, gets himself hurt, and fouls the guy in the process converting a two point dunk into a three point dunk.

There are plenty of opportunities to try hard on the court. Some of them actually make sense too. Trying to block that shot was stupid.

People watch the games as fans and think that things like knight's attempted block did anything for his teammates. It didn't. it might make us feel better as fans because he appears to 'work hard' (by getting his head beat in), but it really meant nothing in the game or for the season other than giving the Clippers another point.

This is so extremely wrong. Knight got posterized because Jordan was able to extend his arm about 3 feet and throw down an impressive dunk. This was not lightly touching the arm of a guy making a lay-up, it turned an easy two into a difficult shot. All the props in the world to Jordan. That was a damn impressive dunk and worthy of all the press it go. Also, if you watch Knight go up, he goes up before Jordan even catches the pass. Knight was probably contesting the pass more then the shot, FWIW. I can't disagree with you more but continue to knock him...nothing seems to make you happier then dumping on this team lately so why not dump on what is one of the more positive plays of the year for this team.

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When you're quoting Bill Simmons, you've lost the argument.

Simmons knows basketball better than just about anyone.

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Simmons knows basketball better than just about anyone.

that might be pushing it, but that said, he does know his basketball, as opposed to other sports where he's just clueless.

Simmons comments are basically what 95% of the country sees in Monroe that don't root for the Detroit Pistons. Partly because Piston fans expect Monroe to be playing like he's in his prime despite being 21 and partly because they don't see what we see day in and day out which is his somewhat disappointing year. They just see the 16 and 10 and say, that's a pretty darn good...which it is, just not quite what Piston fans expected and still expect.

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That was a damn impressive dunk and worthy of all the press it go. Also, if you watch Knight go up, he goes up before Jordan even catches the pass. Knight was probably contesting the pass more then the shot.

I haven't seen the dunk in a long time before just checking it out in the post just above this one. Yeah, you are right - he's jumping to contest the pass. I don't even think that's up for debate. He was trying, at least, to break up the pass, hoping the lob would be off enough to do just that. Good catch. And that's probably part of the reason why he was so emphatically dunked on. Knight wasn't really getting ready to engage in a physical battle as much he was a battle to defend the ball. If Knight tried to play the man instead, and truly tried to make contact, it would've been interesting if he came anywhere close to making that dunk.

I won't fault Knight. Like what happens a million times a game, he had a split-second decision. He opted to try to accomplish something defensively, and probably picked the best option for who he is. It didn't work. And even then, the dunk is remembered because of the degree of difficulty there was involving what he had to do and involving the issues Knight created. Great plays are created when there's adversity that is worthy of the final executed play - and that's what we see here.

The day I fault defensive effort - and probably correct defensive effort at that - is the day I quit watching basketball. This team needs more defensive commitment like that on it. What bothers me more about the play than anything is Knight's teammates standing over him like he's a corpse. Help the guy up and tell him some words of encouragement for Pete's sake. I hope they did and the clip was cut too quickly. But their body language wasn't one of encouragement and wanting to get to a teammate to "get his back" mentally.

We all want to win. But, gosh, as much as anything you have to want to have the desire to be with your team and the desire to make each other better and support each other regardless of the results. You must have that need to want to be together. If you have that, chances are you'll accomplish more than the sum of the parts of your team suggests. But the Pistons don't have that. And, it looks like this play summarized that more than anything. If there's something to be disgusted with, that is probably what it is.

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What bothers me more about the play than anything is Knight's teammates standing over him like he's a corpse. Help the guy up and tell him some words of encouragement for Pete's sake. I hope they did and the clip was cut too quickly. But their body language wasn't one of encouragement and wanting to get to a teammate to "get his back" mentally.

We all want to win. But, gosh, as much as anything you have to want to have the desire to be with your team and the desire to make each other better and support each other regardless of the results. You must have that need to want to be together. If you have that, chances are you'll accomplish more than the sum of the parts of your team suggests. But the Pistons don't have that. And, it looks like this play summarized that more than anything. If there's something to be disgusted with, that is probably what it is.

By that time of the season, this was such a defeated team that those guys were shells of players at times. It would have been the right thing to do to, what you mention, but to them it must've been just another kick in the crotch.

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By that time of the season, this was such a defeated team that those guys were shells of players at times. It would have been the right thing to do to, what you mention, but to them it must've been just another kick in the crotch.

That's true. And it is one play. But Monroe and someone else is just looking over him as though they are turkey vultures getting ready to land on their prey. To the point of the clip (at least), you don't even see them preparing to give a hand to get him off the floor.

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that might be pushing it, but that said, he does know his basketball, as opposed to other sports where he's just clueless.

Simmons comments are basically what 95% of the country sees in Monroe that don't root for the Detroit Pistons. Partly because Piston fans expect Monroe to be playing like he's in his prime despite being 21 and partly because they don't see what we see day in and day out which is his somewhat disappointing year. They just see the 16 and 10 and say, that's a pretty darn good...which it is, just not quite what Piston fans expected and still expect.

Simmons comments are what 95% of the country sees in Monroe because 95% of the country (and Bill Simmons) don't watch the Pistons play.

He sees the Pistons play whenever they play the Celtics or the Clippers or the Lakers, because those are the teams he watches. Simmons has more knee jerk, uneducated opinions on the NBA it's hilarious. He knows the Celtics because he roots for them. He hates the Lakers and the Knicks and that's why he dogs them all the time. Everyone else he doesn't really know.

He was the guy who said the Heat would never work because they didn't have an "alpha dog." He said that after they lost to Dallas they would have to break up the big three because it would never work. How'd that turn out?

Simmons is a funny guy and he's carved out a nice niche for himself, but he's not really that knowledgeable about the NBA except for his own teams. Just like football. Just like baseball. He's still the "Boston" sports guy.

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That's true. And it is one play. But Monroe and someone else is just looking over him as though they are turkey vultures getting ready to land on their prey. To the point of the clip (at least), you don't even see them preparing to give a hand to get him off the floor.

Maybe they were just waiting to see if he was still conscious before moving him...

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Maybe they were just waiting to see if he was still conscious before moving him...

That may have been the case as well. They looked at him as though he was dead.

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Joe kills me with his business decisions made based upon personal loyalties. Please don't make this mistake. As an assistant, ok. Not as head coach. Not after the coaching roller coaster we've been through with this team.

This has to be just a courtesy, Dumars can not go the x-piston route again after the Michael Curry debacle.

At this point I either want the Euro dude, or maybe Brian Shaw, triangle w/Monroe would be interesting.

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One thing that should have been in the original post. In 2013-14 teams must spend a minimum of 90% of the salary cap. Using last years number that means a teams minimum payroll would of had to be $49.3M.

Also it appears the Pistons will have the Bi-Annual exception to use this year. They of course also have the Mid-Level Exception as well. Both of those count against the cap. We wont know their figures until the first month of July. But in 2012 the BAE was $1.957M. The MLE was $5M for teams under the luxury tax and $3.090M for teams over the luxury tax.

So if the Pistons ended up with $25M in cap space you would need to subtract $6.957M from it. But teams like Detroit will renounce the exceptions to gain back their full cap space. This rule was put in to stop teams from spending all of their cap space and then using the exceptions as well once they were over the cap.

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Lets take a look at the types of free agents the Pistons can go after and the terms they can offer them in a contract.

Unrestricted Free Agent

The Pistons can offer an UFA a 1st year salary that is equal to 30% of the salary cap or 105% of his previous years salary, whichever one is greater. They can offer that for a maximum 4 years and a maximum of 4.5% raises per year.

That players current team can offer him the same 30% (35% if the players has 10+ years in the league) or 105% but for a maximum of 5 years and with a maximum 7.5% raises per year.

Lets see what the difference is for Dwight Howard if he took a deal with the Lakers or Detroit (Or any other team thats not the Lakers). 30% of the salary cap is just under $18M so 105% of last years salary is higher and that is the number that will be used to get his first year salary on the new contract.

[table=class: lefttable]

[tr]

[td]Dwight Howard[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td=align: center]Team[/td]

[td=align: center]Previous Salary[/td]

[td=align: center]Year 1[/td]

[td=align: center]Year 2[/td]

[td=align: center]Year 3[/td]

[td=align: center]Year 4[/td]

[td=align: center]Year 5[/td]

[td=align: center]Total[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]Lakers[/td]

[td=align: center]$19,536,360[/td]

[td=align: center]$20,513,178[/td]

[td=align: center]$22,051,666[/td]

[td=align: center]$23,705,541[/td]

[td=align: center]$25,483,457[/td]

[td=align: center]$27,394,716[/td]

[td=align: center]$119,148,559[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]Detroit/Other[/td]

[td=align: center]$19,536,360[/td]

[td=align: center]$20,513,178[/td]

[td=align: center]$21,436,271[/td]

[td=align: center]$22,400,903[/td]

[td=align: center]$23,408,944[/td]

[td=align: center]$0[/td]

[td=align: center]$87,759,296[/td]

[/tr]

[/table]

Restricted Free Agent

Restricted free agents are usually guys coming off the 4th year of the rookie contract. Since they have 0-6 years in the league, a team can offer them the greater of 105% of their previous years salary or 25% of the salary cap. There are some exceptions that allow a player with 0-6 years experience to get a higher base salary for 30% of the salary cap. Make the 1st/2nd/3rd all-nba team twice, selected as a starter for the all star game twice, or win MVP once and you qualify for 30% instead of 25%.

A restricted free agent is signed by his new team to an offer sheet. His original team has 3 days to either match and keep the player or not match and let him go to the team that he signed the offer sheet with. If you sign a player to an offer sheet, the first year salary counts against your current cap until the original team matches/declines the offer sheet.

Brandon Jennings is someone who might be a restricted free agent this summer. Lets look at the difference in contracts the Bucks can offer vs what Detroit or other teams can. Since 25% of the salary cap is greater than 105% of his previous years salary, that number will be used. 25% of last years cap was $13,668,750. OK thats a lie because 25% of $58M is not $13,668,750. This explains it from the Cap FAQ:

They use a different cap calculation to determine the maximum salaries, which is based on 42.14% of projected BRI rather than 44.74%. In 2005 the sides negotiated a different formula for setting the salary cap but not maximum salaries, so the two became decoupled, and this continued in the 2011 agreement. For this reason the maximum salaries are not actually 25%, 30% or 35% of the cap, and instead are a slightly lower amount. For example, even though the salary cap for 2011-12 is $58.044 million and 25% of this amount is $14.511 million, the 0-6 year maximum salary is actually $12,922,194. In addition, for 2012-13 a 5.8% increase in maximum salaries was agreed to, even though the salary cap stayed the same as 2011-12.

I don't know what the hell that means so I'm just using the $13,668,750 number from last year.

[table=class: lefttable]

[tr]

[td]Dwight Howard[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td=align: center]Team[/td]

[td=align: center]Previous Salary[/td]

[td=align: center]Year 1[/td]

[td=align: center]Year 2[/td]

[td=align: center]Year 3[/td]

[td=align: center]Year 4[/td]

[td=align: center]Year 5[/td]

[td=align: center]Total[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]Bucks[/td]

[td=align: center]3,179,493[/td]

[td=align: center]$13,668,750[/td]

[td=align: center]$14,693,906[/td]

[td=align: center]$15,795,949[/td]

[td=align: center]$16,980,645[/td]

[td=align: center]$18,254,194[/td]

[td=align: center]$79,393,445[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]Detroit/Other[/td]

[td=align: center]3,179,493[/td]

[td=align: center]$13,668,750[/td]

[td=align: center]$14,283,844[/td]

[td=align: center]$14,926,617[/td]

[td=align: center]$15,598,314[/td]

[td=align: center]$0[/td]

[td=align: center]$58,477,525[/td]

[/tr]

[/table]

The sign-and-trade

The sign-and-trade is alive and well, its just been neutered a bit.

The big benefit to a sign-and-trade in the past was the ability of a new team to give the player that 5th year and the big 7.5% raises only his original team could give him. That is no longer possible to do. Any player doing a sign-and-trade can only be signed for 4 years with a max 4.5% raises, or basically exactly what he could sign with his new for anyway.

The other big benefit was if a team was over the cap or didn't have the cap space to sign the player as a free agent. They would then do a sign-and-trade deal and they could land their new big free agent. This is still possible to do with two new rules (these rules only apply to the team receiving the S&T player):

1) If the team receiving the S&T player is over the luxury tax they can't make a sign-and-trade deal. If the S&T players new contract puts them over the luxury tax, they can't make the deal. If you receive a S&T player then for the rest of the year you are barred from any roster movement that puts you over the luxury tax.

2) The team cannot receive a player in a sign-and-trade if they have used the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception

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One thing that should have been in the original post. In 2013-14 teams must spend a minimum of 90% of the salary cap. Using last years number that means a teams minimum payroll would of had to be $49.3M.

Also it appears the Pistons will have the Bi-Annual exception to use this year. They of course also have the Mid-Level Exception as well. Both of those count against the cap. We wont know their figures until the first month of July. But in 2012 the BAE was $1.957M. The MLE was $5M for teams under the luxury tax and $3.090M for teams over the luxury tax.

So if the Pistons ended up with $25M in cap space you would need to subtract $6.957M from it. But teams like Detroit will renounce the exceptions to gain back their full cap space. This rule was put in to stop teams from spending all of their cap space and then using the exceptions as well once they were over the cap.

This is why i dont' think we cut CV or Stuckey. FA class isn't good enough to warrant spending that much. I think we get one big fish, and then hope for the improvement from AD&GM. No need to weigh the team down with too many unwieldy contracts. The goal next year should be to improve enough to get into the playoffs, create a little buzz, and hopefully attract another big name or two to sign on in 2014.

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This is why i dont' think we cut CV or Stuckey. FA class isn't good enough to warrant spending that much. I think we get one big fish, and then hope for the improvement from AD&GM. No need to weigh the team down with too many unwieldy contracts. The goal next year should be to improve enough to get into the playoffs, create a little buzz, and hopefully attract another big name or two to sign on in 2014.

Agree it does not make sense to hurt our cap flexibility by spending big this offseason. The focus of rebuilding needs to be on the draft or trades. Free agency can be used for finding roles players.

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This is also why trading Ben was a good move. It gives us the ability to be players this year and next year instead of just next year.

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This is also why trading Ben was a good move. It gives us the ability to be players this year and next year instead of just next year.

They won't be players next year. MLE and/or the BAE only most likely.

They have $23.6 committed next year already. The $25M they sign this year brings that to $48.6M. If they sign Monroe to an extension this summer his number goes from $5.4M to about $13.6M if he gets the max and thats a difference of $8M roughly. $48.6M plus that $8M difference is $56M committed.

Plus they need to start conserving cap space for extensions. You have 3 in a row with Monroe, Knight, Drummond. 4 if they do well in this years draft and end up with a good player.

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Whether they extend Monroe and for how much will be very key for the future of this franchise. I'm in favor of a trade, but I don't mind if they extend him either. I do not think he should get the max though. 5/60 maybe.

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Fans of this soccer team built a brick wall in front of managements offices so they couldn't get in. Meet you guys at Joe's office tomorrow at 2.

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They won't be players next year. MLE and/or the BAE only most likely.

They have $23.6 committed next year already. The $25M they sign this year brings that to $48.6M. If they sign Monroe to an extension this summer his number goes from $5.4M to about $13.6M if he gets the max and thats a difference of $8M roughly. $48.6M plus that $8M difference is $56M committed.

Plus they need to start conserving cap space for extensions. You have 3 in a row with Monroe, Knight, Drummond. 4 if they do well in this years draft and end up with a good player.

ok...I'll admit this isn't my forte but my point is, I wouldn't sign many players for big money long contracts this off season. I'd be making attempts to overpay for one year deals to bring some players in, one big name, and maybe a couple of role players at reasonable prices. Get to the 48.6 and hopefully clear some of that money off the books. In addition we clear 17 mil losing CV and Stuckey. We'll hopefully be 10-11 mil under the cap leaving us with 27 mil to play with. Even with extending Monroe at a 13-15 per year deal I think that should leave us about 17 Mil at least going into 2014/15 wouldn't it?

I see conserving space for Monroe and Drummond, but I don't think Knight (at least as of now) isn't going to be a priority to conserve cap space for. If he is then I'd assume this team has gotten pretty good by then and I'm hoping the Gores won't be afraid to go over the cap.

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ok...I'll admit this isn't my forte but my point is, I wouldn't sign many players for big money long contracts this off season. I'd be making attempts to overpay for one year deals to bring some players in, one big name, and maybe a couple of role players at reasonable prices. Get to the 48.6 and hopefully clear some of that money off the books. In addition we clear 17 mil losing CV and Stuckey. We'll hopefully be 10-11 mil under the cap leaving us with 27 mil to play with. Even with extending Monroe at a 13-15 per year deal I think that should leave us about 17 Mil at least going into 2014/15 wouldn't it?

I see conserving space for Monroe and Drummond, but I don't think Knight (at least as of now) isn't going to be a priority to conserve cap space for. If he is then I'd assume this team has gotten pretty good by then and I'm hoping the Gores won't be afraid to go over the cap.

You're numbers sound right. I'm just not sure about 1 year contracts. I think most players look for some sort of security in long term deals.

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