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A large portion of the value Bourn provides is defensively as center fielder. He really doesn't produce enough offense for a corner outfielder on a good team, and you really reduce his defensive contribution in left.

That may be so. But by comparison, i think Bourn would be quite valuable enough by batting him leadoff...creating an instant game changing,base stealing, run scoring threat ...with Hunter, Cabby, Prince V- Mart and A-Jax behind him,hell score an easy 120 runs. Why wouldnt you want a game changing, spark plug and catalyst at the top of your line up?? especially one who is a far more elite hitter than say, Quintin Berry, and a fine defender whether, it be left, center, or right field, ot doesnt matter..a defending fleet outfield of Bourn, Jackson and Hunter would be absolutely sick and be a huge part of improving team defense.

I for one, love me some Andy Dirks, but if Illitch doesnt mind spending more on a guy like Bourn, id honestly take Bourn over Dirks every time, at least regarding 2013.

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That may be so. But by comparison, i think Bourn would be quite valuable enough by batting him leadoff...creating an instant game changing,base stealing, run scoring threat ...with Hunter, Cabby, Prince V- Mart and A-Jax behind him,hell score an easy 120 runs. Why wouldnt you want a game changing, spark plug and catalyst at the top of your line up?? especially one who is a far more elite hitter than say, Quintin Berry, and a fine defender whether, it be left, center, or right field, ot doesnt matter..a defending fleet outfield of Bourn, Jackson and Hunter would be absolutely sick and be a huge part of improving team defense.

I for one, love me some Andy Dirks, but if Illitch doesnt mind spending more on a guy like Bourn, id honestly take Bourn over Dirks every time, at least regarding 2013.

I'm saying the value he is going to command, as a centerfielder, is going to exceed the value he will provide as a left fielder.

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I like the **idea** of Bourn, even though he's a clear step-down from Dirks hitting-wise, he makes it up with a lot of stolen bases. Glove-wise he's a clear step up from Dirks, and would create an elite Angels in the Outfield defense, something I would love to see after the last few years of defensive hilarity in the expanses of Comerica.

The down-sides to Bourn: age and Nick C...for a guy that depends on speed he's hitting the 30 year old mark, dangerous territory for a guy looking for a 3+ year commitment. That having been said, I think he'd still be a clear upgrade in 3 years over anybody else we'd likely have in LF.

The much more thorny issue is that getting Bourn would block Nick C at 3B, RF, LF and DH through 2014....not a good idea.

I'm thinking that a RH option needs to be the Casper Wells type guy -- good defender at all 3 spots, hits LHP, is young enough to still have a little upside, but like Dirks is not going to create a block against Nick or even Avisail.

Dirks and Wells would make an awesome platoon in my opinion and Wells would cover the 4th OF need perfectly.

One 4th OF option I'm against at this point is Avisail...this guy has some serious up-side potential as a power hitter that it seems would be hindered by being put in a part-time role in the bigs at this point. Give him and Nick at least one more full season in the minors before giving them a shot at a major-league role.

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Oh, also, all of the other RH OF options are horrible -- Diaz, Hairston, Rivera....these are bad fielders and mediocre hitters at best, even against LHP. No, no, no. Trade for a guy who fits the bill...Wells is a perfect fit...I'm not saying he's a great player, far far from it....just a really good fit for our needs.

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I don't want to pay Bourn, but I'm sure he could still be worth 3-4 wins in LF, especially in Comerica. I don't worry about him losing value a whole lot.

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Is this rumored of just personal preferences?

Im kinda feeling the Porcello/ Peralta to Baltimore rumors

i honestly can think of a better match for us.

If we can swap Peralta and a prospect for JJ Hardy, while getting q solid package of say, Nolan Reimold, Brian Matusz and Troy Patton.

I maybe overvaluing Porcello, but if we cant get a high return on him, id almost prefer to hang on to him until we can sell high on him.

but all this ramblin aside

Nolan Riemold is a solid RH hitting LF that i believe would be an awesome platoon with Dirks.

I'm happy to see I'm not the only one who brought up Reimold in this thread, and it's because his injury-shortened year has put him under the radar. Also they have an OF of McLouth/Jones/Markakis plus upcomings like Avery/Robinson that really clogs up the situation for Reimold.

The trade you have going sounds good for the most part, except I don't like Matusz right now. He had a bad '11, and not that great of a '12 season either. Give me a DD classic "hard thrower with some control issues" prospect in his place and I think DD would love the idea.

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Reimold is a nice backup option for most teams, and could be a nice option for us if we needed a DH/LF with little-to-no RH/LH splits and below-average corner OF defense. But I still would prefer that we get a guy who can field all OF positions reasonably well.

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Reimold is a nice backup option for most teams, and could be a nice option for us if we needed a DH/LF with little-to-no RH/LH splits and below-average corner OF defense. But I still would prefer that we get a guy who can field all OF positions reasonably well.
I had figured that Berry would be around to just that (played LF a lot last year, some CF, and 5 in RF), so to worry too much about another across the board OF would be a little bit more on the back burner for me (or if an injury comes up, you got Garcia to fill in as he also has a little bit of experience at all OF positions).

Also look at the salary cost of Reimold: he is heading into year one of arbitration and I don't see more than $1M this year for him. I see your point, it just doesn't worry me as much as it does you.

Is Porcello and Peralta for Hardy and Reimold a realistic trade ? If so it would be perfect.
From the way the 'pitching market' has been so far this offseason, I think you are selling Porcello a little short. I'm seeing a #3/#4 for teams (BR comparisons pop up 2 former 'recent' 1st rounders: Homer Bailey and Jeremy Bonderman) and so far teams are overpaying for those types of guys. I honestly think you can squeeze this into a 3-for-2 deal with an average prospect coming to Detroit (a 2B/SS guy would be nice to have head this way).

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The difficulty with relying on Berry to backup CF is that he is a very poor hitter and a below average fielder there...not someone who should be taking up limited bench space on a title contender, nor potentially filling in for 200+ PAs if you throw an injury stint in there. I also have no interest in the Tigers messing with Garcia's development by relying on him as filler material.

A good backup is essential, especially one who can field and hit lefties. Reimold does one of those things...Wells does both.

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The difficulty with relying on Berry to backup CF is that he is a very poor hitter and a below average fielder there...not someone who should be taking up limited bench space on a title contender, nor potentially filling in for 200+ PAs if you throw an injury stint in there. I also have no interest in the Tigers messing with Garcia's development by relying on him as filler material.

A good backup is essential, especially one who can field and hit lefties. Reimold does one of those things...Wells does both.

I think everyone is talking about Berry as the 5th OF here. I have no problem with him in that role, even if he only hits .210. He can spot start in CF or LF and if they need someone to spell Hunter a day or two, they can move Dirks over to RF. Plus he could be a solid pinch runner in key situations. I actually think he's perfect for the 5th OF.

The Tigers, carrying 12 pitchers will go with 2 Catchers, 5 infielders, 5 outfielders and 1 DH (emergency C).

I'd like to see

C - Avila-Pena

INF - Cabrera-Fielder-Hardy-Infante-Worth

OF - Berry-Dirks-Hunter-Jackson-Ruggiano

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The Tigers, carrying 12 pitchers will go with 2 Catchers, 5 infielders, 5 outfielders and 1 DH (emergency C).

I'd like to see

C - Avila-Pena

INF - Cabrera-Fielder-Hardy-Infante-Worth

OF - Berry-Dirks-Hunter-Jackson-Ruggiano

If they thought Worth was better than Kobernus they probably don't bother making the pick. Danny will have to light it up in ST to get a spot.

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The Tigers, carrying 12 pitchers will go with 2 Catchers, 5 infielders, 5 outfielders and 1 DH (emergency C).

I'd like to see

C - Avila-Pena

INF - Cabrera-Fielder-Hardy-Infante-Worth

OF - Berry-Dirks-Hunter-Jackson-Ruggiano

Ya lost me here, what did you do with Ramon Sanitago?

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Ya lost me here, what did you do with Ramon Sanitago?

Bye Bye Ramon. I like him but he is sliding fast. If he was a better runner, he'd have more value. I think the Tigers are going to release him or make a very minor trade with him.

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If they thought Worth was better than Kobernus they probably don't bother making the pick. Danny will have to light it up in ST to get a spot.

I think they will end up shipping him back or making a minor trade for Kobernus to be the Danny Worth-lite. They are close to the same player. Most Rule 5 guys don't stick, especially on contenders. I am still hoping for a Boesch for Kyle Seager deal, but I doubt that happens now.

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I think everyone is talking about Berry as the 5th OF here. I have no problem with him in that role, even if he only hits .210. He can spot start in CF or LF and if they need someone to spell Hunter a day or two, they can move Dirks over to RF. Plus he could be a solid pinch runner in key situations. I actually think he's perfect for the 5th OF.

The Tigers, carrying 12 pitchers will go with 2 Catchers, 5 infielders, 5 outfielders and 1 DH (emergency C).

I'd like to see

C - Avila-Pena

INF - Cabrera-Fielder-Hardy-Infante-Worth

OF - Berry-Dirks-Hunter-Jackson-Ruggiano

The **only** thing that Berry does even reasonably well is steal bases. I love what he did last year, luck being what it was for him. but I don't see why you would consider him even a good roster option, much less a "perfect" one. I'm not going to complain if he makes the roster, since at least he can do one thing well, but if Berry winds up with more than 100 PAs this year, the organization would have failed big-time IMHO.

FWIW, I would love to have Ruggiano as our 4th OF, but I highly doubt that will happen. Miami is looking to have him compete for the starting CF job (which is silly, but it's Miami)....he's cheap for their purposes and I don't think they're going to trade him away.

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I'm sick and tired of DD and JL settling for whoever is lying around to make up their bench. Pena, Kobernus, Worth, Santiago, Berry???? Berry is the only one who has a marketable plus skill (stolen bases), and Kobernus can reportedly cover some OF/IF defense pretty well, but beyond these modest talents, it's a bad group.

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I think they will end up shipping him back or making a minor trade for Kobernus to be the Danny Worth-lite. They are close to the same player. Most Rule 5 guys don't stick, especially on contenders. I am still hoping for a Boesch for Kyle Seager deal, but I doubt that happens now.

Boesch for Kyle Seager?

What makes you think Kyle Seager would be offered by Seattle?

Kyle Seager is an excellent baseball player.

Brennan Boesch is garbage.

Don't underestimate Mister Jack.

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Why do we think that Boesch is getting anything at this point?

Why is everyone trying to propose trades for former Tigers such as Casper Wells and Charlie Furbush?

Wheres your originality. Reacquiring formerly players is just the tackiest and laziest idea ive seen this offseason.

Altho just my opinion, i do wish some peeps actually thought outside the box, but it seems that so many dont even bother to ever leave it.

My ideas may not win any friends, but i believe the obvious deal to make here would be

BOESCH and SANTIAGO For SS Brendan Ryan and RP Lucas Luetge, or maybe Carter Capps.

Essentially at this point, both Boesch and Santiago are pretty much garbage and im not even sure Seatte makes this deal...but acquiring Ryan would provide us with a good defensive glove on the bench to back up Peralta if DD doesnt find another SS. The least we could do is get Ryan, a defensive upgrade over Santiago.

Luetge is basically Daniel Schlereth 2.0 but he led the mariners in holds lasts season.

So not a very sexy idea, but a trade that i think improves us defensively at SS and Bench, and puts a decent loogey or even potential setup guy in the pen.

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