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Crap, now they have two pitchers who don't know how to win games.

Yep, were screwed. But as bad as Bowa's analysis was of that signing I think the fact that he suggested that the Rangers should trade Mike Olt for Alfonso Soriano may have been even worse.

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This brings up a ton of interesting opportunities if we deal Porcello.

We can either get a starting caliber LF, moving Dirks to the bench and having at least one quality bench player.

We can get a starting caliber SS and then deal Peralta for ???

Package Porcello and Peralta and get a SS/LF back and sign Drew?

Make a deal to actually get a few prospects in order to restock and cut payroll a bit?

I imagine that Porcello has pretty good value. Regardless of how he is perceived in Detroit, he has stuck in the majors for 4 seasons, has consistently improving peripherals and pitched in the tougher league. I'm not even sold that getting rid of him is our best move, but I can understand it from a financial standpoint and the fact we have Drew Smyly ready and waiting. At some point you need to deal from a position of strength in order to secure a weakness.

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Something like Porcello and Peralta for Andrus would interest me but otherwise Im keeping Rick as my #5, at least until the trade deadline when maybe his value is higher and I have 5 healthy starters going with the addition of Smyly.

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Before 2006, there was about a 15 year period where Sanchez would have been their best starter. My how things have changed.

Who was the LHP who was great when he played but always injured? Justin Thompson I think? Man, that guy was everything you needed to know about the 91-05 Tigers.

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ERA+ and OPS against in 2012

McCarthy- 123 and .706

Lohse- 134 and .642

Edwin- 98 and .719

Dempster- 124 and .677

Sanchez- 105 and .716

Sanchez is going to get easily the longest commitment in terms of years, the most total value, and most money per year. Sure, these are only two measures, but I don't think he's that much better than any of these 4 names, nor Shaun Marcum. I worry about paying 1

7MM to someone barely above average his entire career.

If he stays healthy it will be fine. A couple of million more or less per year won't make or break anything. The risk with any pitcher is that they'll break down, and then you're paying for nothing.

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I agree with the sentiments in this thread which state that we've added Hunter, have retained Sanchez and will regain Victor Martinez. All without giving up any players or draft choices. We now have options about keeping or retaining Porcello. I also agree with those who have suggested retaining him unless and until we receive a great package in return. I'm not inclined to seek a deal for him now. I'd rather enter the season with him as our #5 starter, Smyly in the pen. Let's see how weak our "weaknesses" like SS, platoon player in LF and a closer really are before we deal to fill them. Some of those slots might take care of themselves, or we could suffer an injury mid season and need a chip like Porcello to deal then.

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I think we can use garcia/dirks trandum in lf and would package porc and peralta for elvis in texas as they have 2 up and coming prospects or to cinny for Billy Hamilton 22 yr old prospect good eye, avg, stealer; Starlin Castro cubs; etc...I would only send porc out if we get a toolsy ss with a good glove...now we need DD to find one ready for the big leagues

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If he stays healthy it will be fine. A couple of million more or less per year won't make or break anything. The risk with any pitcher is that they'll break down, and then you're paying for nothing.

That's really the risk with any deal and there's no way to mitigate it with the exception of signing no one.

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Right now the Tigers are really quite an amazing collection. Consider that once they got Dirks, Fister and Jackson back in early June, they won at at 96 win season pace over their last 104 games. Now to that 96 win pace team you add Sanchez for a whole season, Victor, Infante for a whole season, and Hunter. Your losses (Valverde, Young, Raburn, Boesch) are virtually all addition by subtraction players. And your none of our core players except Hunter and Dotel are old enough to be on the downhill side of their likely yr to yr performance curves.

Ilitch and DD have put a team together with an opportunity to be very special. There are a 1000 things that can torpedo a season, but there is incredible potential here and that is all you can ask of ownership.

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Right now the Tigers are an amazing collection. Consider that once they got Dirks, Fister and Jackson back in early June, they won at at 96 win season pace over their last 104 games. Now to that 96 win pace team you add Sanchez for a whole season, Victor, Infante for a whole season, and Hunter. Your losses (Valverde, Young, Raburn, Boesch) are virtually all addition by subtraction players.

Ilitch and DD have put a team together with an opportunity to be very special. There are a 1000 things that can torpedo a season, but there is incredible potential here and that is all you can ask of ownership.

Added to this is that there's plenty of time and options to address the relatively small holes that exist.

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Right now the Tigers are really quite an amazing collection. Consider that once they got Dirks, Fister and Jackson back in early June, they won at at 96 win season pace over their last 104 games. Now to that 96 win pace team you add Sanchez for a whole season, Victor, Infante for a whole season, and Hunter. Your losses (Valverde, Young, Raburn, Boesch) are virtually all addition by subtraction players. And your none of our core players except Hunter and Dotel are old enough to be on the downhill side of their likely yr to yr performance curves.

Ilitch and DD have put a team together with an opportunity to be very special. There are a 1000 things that can torpedo a season, but there is incredible potential here and that is all you can ask of ownership.

I've been trying to keep my expectations down, but they really were two different teams last year. The opening roster should look a lot different than the opening roster in 2012. If all goes right, it wouldn't be that shocking to see 100 wins. The potential is certainly there.

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The problem I have with this move is that it sets a precedent for Max and Fister to point to and both say they're better than Anibal. Can't pay 3 pitchers 15+MM plus paying JV 25+.

True, but you also can't sign Scherzer and trade Sanchez, but you can do the reverse. You get no value out of Sanchez if he walks. You maybe get Jackson or someone in his place, but none of the other guys are really as good as him. Lohse arguably is, but he may just get similar money. Jackson always falls apart at the end of the season, Mccarthy sucks IMO(only successful in Oakland, low Ks,took a ball to the head similar to the one that ruined Matt Clement, other health issues) and Dempster is 36 and struggled transitioning to the AL. Sanchez did for a very short time, but figured it out quickly and pitched very strong down the stretch of a penant chase.

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The Angels have too many outfielders now - Hamilton, Trout, Wells, Bourjos, Trumbo. They're stuck with Wells because of the contract. They'll try to convince someone to give them some talent for Bourjos, but he hits like a slightly-improved Berry. If you needed more convincing that you should not acquire Bourjos, Dave Cameron thinks that he would be a worthwhile pickup. The Angels really need starting pitching - Porcello and some junk for Trumbo? I know, he's an ox out there in the outfield, but he'd put some juice into the 6 spot for sure.

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I've been trying to keep my expectations down, but they really were two different teams last year. The opening roster should look a lot different than the opening roster in 2012. If all goes right, it wouldn't be that shocking to see 100 wins. The potential is certainly there.

Brennan Boesch

Delmon Young

Ryan Raburn

Don Kelly

Gerald Laird

Danny Worth

Clete Thomas

Jose Valverde

Dan Schlereth

Collin Balester

All on the 2012 Opening Day Roster.

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The Angels have too many outfielders now - Hamilton, Trout, Wells, Bourjos, Trumbo. They're stuck with Wells because of the contract. They'll try to convince someone to give them some talent for Bourjos, but he hits like a slightly-improved Berry. If you needed more convincing that you should not acquire Bourjos, Dave Cameron thinks that he would be a worthwhile pickup. The Angels really need starting pitching - Porcello and some junk for Trumbo? I know, he's an ox out there in the outfield, but he'd put some juice into the 6 spot for sure.

The Angels have said that Trumbo isn't on the market. And even if he was, it would take waaaay more than Porcello and some junk. FWIW, Rotoworld is throwing Joel Hanrahan's name out there as a potential player to be traded for Porcello.

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The Angels have said that Trumbo isn't on the market. And even if he was, it would take waaaay more than Porcello and some junk. FWIW, Rotoworld is throwing Joel Hanrahan's name out there as a potential player to be traded for Porcello.

I would be devastated if we trade Porcello for Hanrahan. I do not want to trade Porcello for a reliever and Hanrahan's walks went way up last year. At that point, we might as well move Porcello to the bullpen and continue to work with him with the intention of moving back to starter in the future.

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Brennan Boesch

Delmon Young

Ryan Raburn

Don Kelly

Gerald Laird

Danny Worth

Clete Thomas

Jose Valverde

Dan Schlereth

Collin Balester

All on the 2012 Opening Day Roster.

To be fair....

Larid > Pena

Worth could be on the roster this ear, and could be better than Santiago either way.

Boesch could still be on the roster this year, if not, Berry will be and they are a wash.

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To be fair....

Larid > Pena

Worth could be on the roster this ear, and could be better than Santiago either way.

Boesch could still be on the roster this year, if not, Berry will be and they are a wash.

I don't think it is a given the Berry or Boesch will be on the opening day roster.

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I don't think it is a given the Berry or Boesch will be on the opening day roster.

I was posting that more as an "as of now."

Assuming we followed our past bench structure...

Pena

Santiago/Worth

Boesh/Berry

Kabernaus??? (Kelly role). If he doesn't make it, I would guess we keep both Boesch and Berry.

that would give us 13 bats, 12 pitchers.

If we deal Porcello and pick up a bat for LF and let Dirks platoon (Since there is a roughly 0% chance all three outfielders + Victor can go the entire year without a DL stint) I think our bench is in a lot better shape. That would seal Brennan Boesch being traded (IMO).

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I think it is quite possible playing for Detroit last year helped land Sanchez.

I don't think there is any doubt about that.

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I would be devastated if we trade Porcello for Hanrahan. I do not want to trade Porcello for a reliever and Hanrahan's walks went way up last year. At that point, we might as well move Porcello to the bullpen and continue to work with him with the intention of moving back to starter in the future.

I agree with this, I like RP but am now pretty much resigned to the fact he's going to get traded. I'd rather see him go for a young middle IF prospect than Hanrahan.

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The Angels have too many outfielders now - Hamilton, Trout, Wells, Bourjos, Trumbo. They're stuck with Wells because of the contract. They'll try to convince someone to give them some talent for Bourjos, but he hits like a slightly-improved Berry. If you needed more convincing that you should not acquire Bourjos, Dave Cameron thinks that he would be a worthwhile pickup. The Angels really need starting pitching - Porcello and some junk for Trumbo? I know, he's an ox out there in the outfield, but he'd put some juice into the 6 spot for sure.

Any trade between the Angels and Tigers would be difficult at this point as they have to be considered the front runners for the AL, it would be like trading within your division.

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Any trade between the Angels and Tigers would be difficult at this point as they have to be considered the front runners for the AL, it would be like trading within your division.

Yeah...I would have a hard time trading Porcello to the Angels unless it some sort of fleecing.

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I'm guessing Porcello ends up on the Cubs or Padres. Not sure what we could get for either. Do we go prospects or short term help?

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