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Between the stories of some "positive" meetings going on late Tuesday night in to Wednesday and then more meetings on Wednesday, it seems like some progress is being made on saving some of a hockey season.

With that said, this might be the most positive tweet I've seen on the subject yet. From Fred Poulin, who works at thehockeywriters.com:

Rumours are circulating that coaches are calling players, telling them to be ready for training camp on Dec. 14, MacLean and Kypreos said.

This also seems to go with an earlier tweet from Ansar Khan:

A much faster-paced, higher-intensity scrimmage with more players than what we've seen lately here in Troy.

Between those two, it is starting to sound like things are turning around.

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I really have been trying not to get my hopes up throughout this entire lockout process, but you're making it very hard for me. I want hockey back so bad, I really hope this is it...

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The Board of Governors meeting today was always going to be a big indicator of whether there was real traction. John Davidson was positive coming out of it and Bettman gave short statement that they're pleased with the process. Not there yet, but apparently some talk of training camps next week and contingencies for a 56-game schedule starting December 20.

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The Board of Governors meeting today was always going to be a big indicator of whether there was real traction. John Davidson was positive coming out of it and Bettman gave short statement that they're pleased with the process. Not there yet, but apparently some talk of training camps next week and contingencies for a 56-game schedule starting December 20.

I think the lockout will end in the next 24-48 hours, if it doesn't, then something went wrong. But it does look like hockey will be back soon.

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I think the lockout will end in the next 24-48 hours, if it doesn't, then something went wrong. But it does look like hockey will be back soon.

Let's hope. You could be right. I want to see the NHL's response to the latest NHLPA proposal before getting too excited. Nice words being spoken and definitely a change in mood by both sides towards being more positive, but not sure any substantial agreements or bridging of gaps has been achieved yet.

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Good news. My neighbor works across the street from the Excel Center, and got laid off a couple weeks ago. Half of the bar's sales came from game nights.

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While everything seems rosy without Bettman and Fehr in the room, once they rejoin I imagine everything will fall apart. My understanding is the sides weren't actually negotiating, but only discussing and nothing binding would come out of it.

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While everything seems rosy without Bettman and Fehr in the room, once they rejoin I imagine everything will fall apart. My understanding is the sides weren't actually negotiating, but only discussing and nothing binding would come out of it.

Yes, that could happen as well, it could go either way. The reason I'm cautiously optimistic about a possible deal is that the sides didn't seem THAT far apart the last couple of months but were letting egos and personalities and brinkmanship get in the way. A breath of fresh air or a clean slate might be just what was needed. But definitely today is when they get down to the nitty gritty - no more of yesterday's hugs.

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While everything seems rosy without Bettman and Fehr in the room, once they rejoin I imagine everything will fall apart. My understanding is the sides weren't actually negotiating, but only discussing and nothing binding would come out of it.

And....there it is.

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Time for the media to do something about this. It will never happen because they are so competitive, but every major website, network and print publication that covers hockey needs to get together and collectively say to Fehr, Bettman and all of them. "We refuse to cover anymore hockey news at all regarding the NHL. We will not be showing up when you have meetings. We will not be tweeting and posting any updates. We are going to completely ignore you until you solve this. That includes not even announcing when the season is cancelled or any talks that happen over the summer. A complete news blackout of the NHL. When you solve it, call us, until then, goodbye". It would do more than you think.

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Time for the media to do something about this. It will never happen because they are so competitive, but every major website, network and print publication that covers hockey needs to get together and collectively say to Fehr, Bettman and all of them. "We refuse to cover anymore hockey news at all regarding the NHL. We will not be showing up when you have meetings. We will not be tweeting and posting any updates. We are going to completely ignore you until you solve this. That includes not even announcing when the season is cancelled or any talks that happen over the summer. A complete news blackout of the NHL. When you solve it, call us, until then, goodbye". It would do more than you think.

The threat isn't credible, so I doubt it would have any impact.

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Between the stories of some "positive" meetings going on late Tuesday night in to Wednesday and then more meetings on Wednesday, it seems like some progress is being made on saving some of a hockey season.

With that said, this might be the most positive tweet I've seen on the subject yet. From Fred Poulin, who works at thehockeywriters.com:

This also seems to go with an earlier tweet from Ansar Khan:

Between those two, it is starting to sound like things are turning around.

I hope so. While I do not watch every game a year I am a big fan and not having hockey right now is weird.

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Donald Fehr and the NHL lockout - Grantland

Go to the Mattresses

Don't blame the NHL lockout mess on Donald Fehr, who has always been a fighter

By Charles P. Pierce on December 11, 2012

It has not been a good couple of weeks for the exercise in performance art that is the National Hockey League lockout. Reality keeps wandering out onto the stage, kicking over the carefully arranged props and creating great disorder in the artfully arranged rationale for the whole burlesque. First, there came that noted socialist handbill, Forbes Magazine, which explained that the average franchise in this terribly distraught league is worth a mere $282 million, and that the Toronto Maple Leafs, who haven't won a Stanley Cup since Neil Young's dad was writing columns about them, are valued at a cool billion. The five least-valued franchises are still worth, on average, $145 million. (It can be argued, and Forbes does, that the worst day in NHL history was the day the league discovered the American South.) Then, in Detroit, the owner of the Red Wings, a pizza billionaire named Mike Ilitch, has decided to blackjack a new $650 million arena out of the city of Detroit for his $346 million hockey team. (In 1982, Ilitch paid $8 million for the team. This is an appreciation that one can, well, appreciate.) This naked swindle makes Ilitch a real sweetheart, seeing as how the financing for his new digs is going to come from tax dollars collected by Detroit's Downtown Development Authority, which, for more than 20 years, has been collecting money to pay down some general obligation bonds. Now that the bonds are paid off, the money was supposed to go to Detroit's decimated public-school system. Instead, it's going into Ilitch's arena.

Then, of course, there was the monumental fiasco last week, when it appeared that a deal to end the lockout was nigh, but then it wasn't, because the players had the audacity to come back with a counterproposal, severely wounding the fee-fees of Ilitch and his fellow owners, and especially those of season-killing commissioner Gary Bettman. This prompted the most hilarious piece of impromptu theater yet, when Bill Daly, the NHL's deputy commissioner in charge of coat-holding, declared that a five-year limit on contracts was "the hill we will die on."

Of course, Daly was hoping that people wouldn't notice that the NHL already has built a lovely Tudor-style manse on that hill, with an Olympic-size pool and a five-car garage. For example, the Minnesota Wild celebrated the Fourth of July last summer by signing Zach Parise to a 13-year deal. Suddenly, five years is Cemetery Ridge? The owners, who got practically everything they wanted the last time they blew off a season, once again are asking the players to bail them out because (a) they were stupid in the way they sited their franchises, and (b) some of them were stupid enough to offer deals so long that the contracts will reach puberty before they expire. If part of the strategy was convincing the world that the NHL management's side was not made up entirely of greedy morons, this past fortnight has not been a ringing endorsement of that proposition.

But, luckily, there was a villain to be fashioned to satisfy all the groundlings in Boston, and New York, and Edmonton, and Montreal, and to keep the show going through the next few weeks. It's time, once again, to blame Donald Fehr for everything.

Fehr, the National Hockey League Players' Association executive director, has had a large neon bull's-eye painted on his back ever since he succeeded the legendary Marvin Miller as head of the Major League Baseball Players Association. Baseball's owners, who had spent 20 years getting outmaneuvered, out-lawyered, punked, and otherwise beaten like tin drums by Miller, decided to take it out on his successor. Moreover, Fehr never had Miller's gifts for spin and public relations, so, if you happened to be a grizzled old scribe yearning for the days of the reserve clause, Fehr was easy pickings; if you were a grizzled young scribe trolling for a lazy "both sides are at fault" column, Fehr was not as good as Miller was at defending himself.

Nonetheless, Fehr was very good at protecting the gains that the MLBPA had made against almost constant attempts to roll them back. At the same time, he found himself doing so in a general social and cultural context in which seeing a union behave like an actual union was supposed to behave struck everyone silly with shock and wonder. Hell, after a while, most of the people following sports hadn't even been around when unions actually held substantial political power. Most of the NHL owners had become rich in the modern plutocratic system. In that system, the power of unions had been broken. Consequently, they were neither prepared, nor predisposed, to reckon with actual unions that had actual power, such as the ones that were operating among the teams they'd bought with their fortunes. (Mike Ilitch got rich in an industry that isn't unionized at all.) And most of the people covering the events in question were people who'd seen their unions squeezed dry by the financial-services cowboys who increasingly controlled the American media. Small wonder, then, that, when Fehr resisted mandatory drug testing at the beginning of the current drug frenzy, people behaved as though he were lining up players to personally shoot HGH into their keisters.

Just to answer this criticism briefly, because it seems to come up every time Fehr's name gets mentioned these days (it even came up in some of Marvin Miller's obits last month):

The union was under no obligation to bargain away its membership's Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights to a management side that had not bargained in good faith on any issue going back to the collusion scam of the mid-1980s. (Remember that first round of steroid testing, in which the names were supposed to be forever secret? How'd that promise of anonymity work out?) And, before anyone mentions it, no, it doesn't matter how many players said they were willing to toss those rights overboard. You can't give my civil liberties away. Not without a fight, anyway, and a fight is all Fehr ever gave them.

So, when the NHL players turned to him, everyone on both sides knew they were hiring a wartime consigliere. The players came out of the last lockout with such impeccably clean clocks that it's a wonder they didn't hire someone with an RPG launcher this time around. Fehr's hiring should have come as a surprise to approximately nobody, since a lockout is always a deliberate tactic by management aimed at achieving a precise goal — in this case, clawing back what little was left after the last time Bettman fastened on this strategy. Nobody is ever forced into a lockout. Lockouts require planning in advance. A lockout is a strategy you choose. A lockout always has a specific purpose, which is what makes lockouts unlike strikes. There is no such thing as a "wildcat" lockout.

Fehr is someone who realizes this, and, from the start, it has been part of management's strategy to isolate Fehr from the people who hired him. This should have been easier than it has been, since the hockey culture has always been more insular than that of baseball. (In fact, the sorry history of labor-management relations in the NHL is marked most vividly by the involvement of Alan Eagleson, who was such a crook that the United States and Canada once appeared to be fighting over who got to incarcerate him first.) A tweet from Chris Johnston of the Canadian Press on Sunday stated flatly that the players have been told that Fehr's mere presence in the room is "potentially a deal-breaker." This is both extraordinarily arrogant and extraordinarily clumsy.

So far the strategy has failed, though there have been voices like Mark Recchi's, who advised the players to realize that the owners held the hammer and that surrender was the only option. Of course, there are no professional athletes who understand what a lockout really is better than NHL players do, since most of them now have lived through three of them.

Fehr is presently taking heat for having called a press conference the other day to announce that a deal was close, only to have it collapse around him when management walked away, mumbling about dying on hills and such. It is possible that Fehr was precipitous in his announcement, and that he carries some weight for the disappointment that hockey fans felt when everything fell through. But the facts seem to indicate that a deal was fairly close, certainly closer than it had been. However, merely presenting management with a perfectly banal counteroffer suddenly blew everything up, and Fehr was in public, looking as though his premature announcement somehow had bollixed everything up. I refuse to believe that this was any kind of accident.

(This is what the inexcusable Bettman said when all the dust had settled: "Spinning us all into an emotional frenzy over maybe we are close and we are going to play hockey tomorrow is terribly unfair to our fans, is unfair to this process." So says the man who so cares about "our fans" that he is willing to jettison a second full season in a decade just to pick off what meat is left on the carcass. This man must live in a house without mirrors.)

It always has seemed to me that, decades ago, Donald Fehr made his peace with being a lightning rod. He never was going to be larger than life, the way Miller was. He never was going to be able to create his own legend, either. For his entire career, he has been the caretaker of other people's victories, the guardian of other people's triumphs. For his entire career, he has been the repository of all the bitterness from all the people who lost in those same events. There is something to be said for all of that.

Didn't know of a better place to put this article... I refuse to make the mistake of taking the "both sides are at fault" bait... this falls squarely on Asshat Bettman.

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Very few players and possibly no owners meeting tomorrow with federal mediators.

IMO, it's now or never. If they don't get something done this week. This season, and very possibly more, is done.

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Didn't know of a better place to put this article... I refuse to make the mistake of taking the "both sides are at fault" bait... this falls squarely on Asshat Bettman.

I think usually, that may be the case. But in this instance I think it rings true.

Most analyst found that the NHL did a good job coming towards the players. At the beginning of all of this I blamed Bettman entirely--and let me be clear, I still think Bettman is an asshat--but as it has unfolded Fehr has tried to out-do the arrogance of Bettman. Maybe Fehr is realizing he is getting old and this might be his last dance with being head of a CBA negotiation, or maybe he just hates Bettman, who knows. But I know this, Fehr and Bettman have been disingenuous to the process for sometime now, this has become more about egos than dollars and cents. Because realistically, these sides aren't that far apart.

The article was written well I thought, not sure the content was accurate though. Fehr isn't the guy he painted him to be.

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CANOE -- SLAM! Sports - NHL - Scott Hartnell: No defending Roman Hamrlik

Roman Hamrlik may have to fear for his safety.

Speaking on Team 1200 in Ottawa on Tuesday, Philadelphia Flyers forward Scott Hartnell said he doesn't expect any players on the Washington Capitals to run to their teammate's defence if he gets in trouble on the ice.

"I don't think anyone other than Roman Hamrlik in Washington -- a guy who has made $50-to-$60 million from the (NHL Players' Association) -- has turned on us. You're going to have guys like that," Hartnell told the radio station. "I can't wait to see what his teammates do when guys go after him. To sell the whole PA under the bus and to stick up for a guy like that is going to be tough."

Hmm, somehow I thought it was the evil owners, not the NHLPA, writing Hamrlik checks for $50-$60 million. Perhaps the existence of the NHLPA means that number was $50-$60 million, rather than $40 milion-$50 million, but that's it. Hamrlik, unlike the players who don't speak out (or who are too scared to), knows who butters his bread. And it's not Don Fehr.

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Didn't know of a better place to put this article... I refuse to make the mistake of taking the "both sides are at fault" bait... this falls squarely on Asshat Bettman.

I would have highlighted the sentence

This naked swindle makes Ilitch a real sweetheart,
But most Wings fans and media don't speak of Illitch as a greedy SOB. Nor do Red Wing players. In fact, throughout this lockout I can't think of any instance of a player going after the owner of his own team. Nor are the owners of Toronto, Winnipeg, Pittsburgh and Tampa who were in the meetings last week portrayed as a-holes to fans and media. It's easier to blame Bettman, as if 30 billionaires have ceded all control to him.

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This thing is over. The owners have wanted to cancel the season all along and try to bankrupt the players to the point that they will cave on everything. The European players can easily just go back and play in Europe, the North Americans, who knows. I really think there's going to be another league.....get ready for pro hockey at The Palace.....

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... I really think there's going to be another league...........

Lord I hope so. In the last decade or so most things about the NHL that have changed have all changed in the direction of ridiculous. I would love to see a league start from scratch with new officials, a new rule book, and preferably Olympic ice - though I'm not holding my breath for that last one....

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This thing is over. The owners have wanted to cancel the season all along and try to bankrupt the players to the point that they will cave on everything. The European players can easily just go back and play in Europe, the North Americans, who knows. I really think there's going to be another league.....get ready for pro hockey at The Palace.....

Not sure who'd fund a new league though. And they wouldn't have stuff like the Stanley Cup, the Original Six, or the old record book. And if millionaires and billionaires can't agree on CBA length and contract max lengths coming off of record revenue, good luck a bunch of players and entrepeneurs actually agreeing on the terms of a new league.

There's no need for a new league (although I understand the sentiment).The WHA actually turned out to be good for hockey fans - kept the NHL (relatively) honest in the '70s and was progressive towards European players. All the NHL needs is a new commissioner whom both the owners trust and the players respect and who truly has a vision for enhancing the game. Whether that's a European division, Olympic-sized ice surface (I'm personally against it but it's a fair debate to have), tough suspensions for serious infractions, contraction of 4 teams, etc.

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Not sure who'd fund a new league though. And they wouldn't have stuff like the Stanley Cup, the Original Six, or the old record book. And if millionaires and billionaires can't agree on CBA length and contract max lengths coming off of record revenue, good luck a bunch of players and entrepeneurs actually agreeing on the terms of a new league.

There's no need for a new league (although I understand the sentiment).The WHA actually turned out to be good for hockey fans - kept the NHL (relatively) honest in the '70s and was progressive towards European players. All the NHL needs is a new commissioner whom both the owners trust and the players respect and who truly has a vision for enhancing the game. Whether that's a European division, Olympic-sized ice surface (I'm personally against it but it's a fair debate to have), tough suspensions for serious infractions, contraction of 4 teams, etc.

That is not going to happen. Gary is their guy. The owners never wanted a season. They want to financially break the players backs. All they will do is strengthen their resolve.

Great ready for hockey at The Palace, Detroit !

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