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I'm really trying to be as "non-homerish" as possible on this... I don't want my Lions-fandom to over ride common sense. But I really have a hard time to seeing intent to kick in the groin here. Intent to hit Schaub... yes, absolutely. Again, ANY DL should want to make contact with the QB if he legally can. It just seems to me that you're assigning super-human skills to Suh by suggesting that as he's tripping over the OL, as his face is planted into the turf, as he's tumbling to the ground, that he locates Schaub, adjusts his roll, aims for a small target and hits it with precision... all in about 1 second of time.

I'd really love to see them setup a simulator and have people who believe that he intentionally aimed for the groin try and do it themselves. Put on the pads, put on the equipment. Have linemen trip you and see if you can kick the groin of a moving dummy.

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how is this as bad a cut block on an engaged player or a leg whip? it just seems that the NFL media has a bug up their arse with suh... people need to look back at the old NFL films of Deacon Jones, Lem Barney and Dick Butkus to see some dirty stuff

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No suspension.

Pretty hilarious that some reporters on twitter were saying their sources told them it was a matter of how long he gets suspended, not if.

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No suspension.

Pretty hilarious that some reporters on twitter were saying their sources told them it was a matter of how long he gets suspended, not if.

I love when smug reporters are wrong, just like Keith Law.

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So happy he didn't get suspended and the league admitted its way too hard to tell intent. I don't know how you fine him after you admit that, but I don't really care about his wallet in the end.

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Yup, good to hear. They made the right decision. And I agree, you can't fine a player if you can't even tell if he did it on purpose or not.

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A friend of mine said he saw someone on sports center praising the move saying that if it was anyone but Suh it would be such a non-issue. Anyone catch that? I've love to see the video of that.

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This is silly and if it was anyone else it would just be business as usual. With that said, if I had to bet I'd say with 90% certainty that the kick was intentional.

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those things have nothing to do with each other.

had to get it off my chest...I just flat hate the NFL for the idiocy and hypocrisy. Can't even process that hatred in an objective manner.....its all emotional hate. Roger Goodell represents the cowardice and cravenness of the Eastern Establishment.

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had to get it off my chest...I just flat hate the NFL for the idiocy and hypocrisy. Can't even process that hatred in an objective manner.....its all emotional hate. Roger Goodell represents the cowardice and cravenness of the Eastern Establishment.

lolwut?

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Ndamukong Suh fined $30,000 by NFL for groin kick - NFL.com

$30,000 Fine. Seems odd that they can't determine intent, therefore no suspension, yet there is enough for a fine. Doesn't make sense to me. What is actually getting the fine for?

Is it for making contact with the QB? I can't imagine this is accurate or the NFL would be over flowing with money from the all fines on defensive players who make contact with the QB after the ball is away.

Is it for unintentionally kicking the QB? I can't imagine this either. First, the "kick" was hardly a serious blow. Even considering it make contact in the most sensitive of places, Schaub didn't miss a single down of the game. If the NFL is fining for unintentional, minor contact with the QB, that's patently stupid.

Is it for intentionally kicking the QB? If you can determine there was intent to kick Schaub you should be suspending him, not just a minor (relatively speaking of course) fine.

Is it for unintentionally making contact with Schaub's privates? Just like unintentionally kicking the QB, if you're fining for an accident that's pretty lame.

Is it for intentionally making contact with Schaub's groin? Like intentionally kicking the QB, if you think there is intent there, you need to suspend him not just a smallish fine.

So why the fine NFL? Are you fining for the accidental contact? Or are you fining because you believe there is intent but you don't have the balls to suspend?

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Ndamukong Suh fined $30,000 by NFL for groin kick - NFL.com

$30,000 Fine. Seems odd that they can't determine intent, therefore no suspension, yet there is enough for a fine. Doesn't make sense to me. What is actually getting the fine for?

Is it for making contact with the QB? I can't imagine this is accurate or the NFL would be over flowing with money from the all fines on defensive players who make contact with the QB after the ball is away.

Is it for unintentionally kicking the QB? I can't imagine this either. First, the "kick" was hardly a serious blow. Even considering it make contact in the most sensitive of places, Schaub didn't miss a single down of the game. If the NFL is fining for unintentional, minor contact with the QB, that's patently stupid.

Is it for intentionally kicking the QB? If you can determine there was intent to kick Schaub you should be suspending him, not just a minor (relatively speaking of course) fine.

Is it for unintentionally making contact with Schaub's privates? Just like unintentionally kicking the QB, if you're fining for an accident that's pretty lame.

Is it for intentionally making contact with Schaub's groin? Like intentionally kicking the QB, if you think there is intent there, you need to suspend him not just a smallish fine.

So why the fine NFL? Are you fining for the accidental contact? Or are you fining because you believe there is intent but you don't have the balls to suspend?

It's a reputation fine.

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Players get fined for the result of a play regardless of being able to determine intent.

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Players get fined for the result of a play regardless of being able to determine intent.

Yeah, I agree. So, what are they fining him for? Looking back to my post, which of the following would you say in the reason?

1. Is it for making contact with the QB?

2. Is it for unintentionally kicking the QB?

3. Is it for intentionally kicking the QB?

4. Is it for unintentionally making contact with Schaub's privates?

5. Is it for intentionally making contact with Schaub's groin?

Or is there a 6th option?

Here's the thing: If it was unintentional, then there is no reason for the fine. Players tumbling down bump into each other all the time. If it was accidental why fine Suh? If they feel it was intention, then they should be suspending him. This is just sorta copping out in my opinion.

Look, I think I know what they are thinking: "We can't tell for sure what if Suh intended to do it or not. We kinda think he did intend to, but there isn't enough proof so we can't really punish him really bad, so we'll just punish him a little bit."

But I think this is really stupid thinking. The problem is that this isn't a question of degree. This isn't a question of did he do something really bad, or only sorta bad... It's either he did it intentionally, which is bad, or it was an accident, which means it was not his fault and therefore not something that should be punished over.

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Steve Young summed it up best. He intentionally kicked him, but it wasn't dirty or meant to cause harm. Certainly not aimed at his groin. He was trying to hit the QB, his job, and kicked his leg out at him. Pretty normal stuff.

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Steve Young summed it up best. He intentionally kicked him, but it wasn't dirty or meant to cause harm. Certainly not aimed at his groin. He was trying to hit the QB, his job, and kicked his leg out at him. Pretty normal stuff.

Me and Steve Young have similar opinions.

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