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The positional depth and infield defense needs to improve. For a team that made it to the World Series, this team has so many AAAA-type players that don't even really bring any sort of versatility to the team, at least for the most part.

At the very least, they need to find players that bring versatility on this bench. They do that and this will be a much better team. But really, I'd love to see a complete change at both middle infield positions.

With the pitching staff - I can't say anything that anyone else is probably saying. About Sanchez, I don't want to sell the farm to get him, but if you can keep him at a reasonable price, go for it. That said, I don't know how possible that will be.

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My off-season thoughts:

I hope Dotel ends up sticking around. I don't know what kind of contract he is under, I have no idea, but I hope he sticks around.

There is a team option in his contract. I think it's for like $4.5MM or something. It's a little much, but is probably worth it since it's only one year and the rest of the bullpen lacks veteran leadership.

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My guess:

1. They will place a premium on re-signing Sanchez.

2. If successful, that opens the door to trading Porcello + a few prospects for a corner OF bat.

3. They elect to go a cheap route in FA for relievers and sign another Dotel type (they also bring Dotel back).

4. I imagine they will pick up Peralta's option and explore trading him- but if they cannot find a good deal, then he'll be back as the SS.

5. They will work on improving the bench with cheap, platoon FA's.

6. They will sign several relievers (Zumaya) and starters to minor league deals to improve the depth that was seen in Toledo this season.

SP:

JV

Fister

Scherzer

Sanchez

Smyly

Relievers:

Dotel

Benoit

Coke

Al Al

Villareal

FA

A host of others...

C: Avila, probably Laird (although, hopefully someone more adept at hitting LHP)

1B: Fielder

2B: Infante

SS: Peralta (Most likely)

3B: Cabrera

LF: Dirks/ FA or trade acquisition for a platoon

CF: Jackson

RF: FA or trade acquisition

DH: Martinez

- I actually see the bench being completely up in the air considering how awful it was this season.

- More than likely, we'll be better next season and win a few more games in the regular season and make it back to the postseason. Unfortunately, the odds are that we won't make it back to the WS even if we do have a better team given the randomness of the short series in the baseball postseason.

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There is a team option in his contract. I think it's for like $4.5MM or something. It's a little much, but is probably worth it since it's only one year and the rest of the bullpen lacks veteran leadership.

The kind of leadership that sells team mates out and yearns to be in St. Louis?

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I'm just saying...I think if Garcia is the starting RF in 2013, he is the AL Rookie of the Year going away. I realize he didn't have an XBH until the playoffs, but the majority of his appearances were also one PA a game and it's hard to get in any kind of hitting rhythm when you're doing nothing but pinch-hitting and playing defense.

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another point. They need to give Alex some conditioning help and maybe have him re-evaluate some of his physical techniques or equipment choices. I hope it isn't an issue suggesting what the Asst GMs son should do for himself over the winter....?

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I agree with your first two posts wholeheartedly.

My agenda for the offseason:

1. Re-sign Sanchez;

2. Acquire a RF who can at least get on base well and field reasonably well (Victorino for example);

3. Acquire a part-time RH Catcher who can hit decently (Paulino or Ross);

4. See about upgrading the SS glove-wise (Andrus or Hardy for example);

5. Re-sign Dotel;

6. Another arm in the bullpen wouldn't hurt (C. Janssen, J. Broxton, J. Affeldt, M. Belisle are some possible options)

ALSO: DON'T, PLEASE DON'T:

1. bring back Boesch, Raburn, Valverde, Kelly, Santiago, Delmon Young (nice postseason, but this guy has got to go);

2. rely on Garcia to be a regular player -- I'd prefer to see him get some time in AAA first, maybe a half-season;

3. rely on Dirks to be an everyday player;

4. re-sign Laird as the second Catcher (he's poor against LHP, no better than Avila would likely ever be, and he's not that great defensively either IMHO (not bad, but not that good either);

I agree with most of this stuff, but I'm not sure on the Sanchez re-signing. I am in favor of going with Smyly and maybe signing another veteran mop-up type that could fill in at 5th starter. I think our rotation will be too expensive and not geared enough towards the future and value if we re-sign Sanchez. I would like this team to be built for continual greatness, not boom and bust.

I would still be in favor of re-signing Laird. I just don't think there are other part-time options that would be significantly better. But I could be swayed depending on who is available and for what price.

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I'm just saying...I think if Garcia is the starting RF in 2013, he is the AL Rookie of the Year going away. I realize he didn't have an XBH until the playoffs, but the majority of his appearances were also one PA a game and it's hard to get in any kind of hitting rhythm when you're doing nothing but pinch-hitting and playing defense.

Avisail Garcia hit .289 .324 .447 with 11 walks and 57 strikeouts in 266 pas in A ball and .312 .345 .465 with 7 walks and 38 strikeouts in 226 in AA this year.

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Avisail Garcia hit .289 .324 .447 with 11 walks and 57 strikeouts in 266 pas in A ball and .312 .345 .465 with 7 walks and 38 strikeouts in 226 in AA this year.

And the pitching in the majors is approximately 913% better than that in A or AA. I didn't think I had to verify I was talking about facing MLB pitching in those situations. I don't care what kind of hitting rhythm he's in in A and AA...anyone who comes in to the majors is basically re-learning how to hit on the fly and Garcia is too talented to be hitting only against LHP.

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My guess:

1. They will place a premium on re-signing Sanchez.

2. If successful, that opens the door to trading Porcello + a few prospects for a corner OF bat.

3. They elect to go a cheap route in FA for relievers and sign another Dotel type (they also bring Dotel back).

4. I imagine they will pick up Peralta's option and explore trading him- but if they cannot find a good deal, then he'll be back as the SS.

5. They will work on improving the bench with cheap, platoon FA's.

6. They will sign several relievers (Zumaya) and starters to minor league deals to improve the depth that was seen in Toledo this season.

SP:

JV

Fister

Scherzer

Sanchez

Smyly

Relievers:

Dotel

Benoit

Coke

Al Al

Villareal

FA

A host of others...

C: Avila, probably Laird (although, hopefully someone more adept at hitting LHP)

1B: Fielder

2B: Infante

SS: Peralta (Most likely)

3B: Cabrera

LF: Dirks/ FA or trade acquisition for a platoon

CF: Jackson

RF: FA or trade acquisition

DH: Martinez

- I actually see the bench being completely up in the air considering how awful it was this season.

- More than likely, we'll be better next season and win a few more games in the regular season and make it back to the postseason. Unfortunately, the odds are that we won't make it back to the WS even if we do have a better team given the randomness of the short series in the baseball postseason.

I agree with all of this.

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And the pitching in the majors is approximately 913% better than that in A or AA. I didn't think I had to verify I was talking about facing MLB pitching in those situations.

The point I'm making is that he was not particularly great in the minor leagues and has never been a highly touted prospect.

He is only 21 years old. He needs to improve his plate discipline and approach. I was actually highly impressed with what he showed in the major leagues, but counting on him to be an amazing player next year seems very dangerous to me. I'd much prefer that he spend the year in the minors refining his game.

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Yes!! I absolutely love these threads, as well as this time of year in general.

I also expect them to go grab a 1-year rental RFer.

I don't expect an IFer, either, as Cabrera, Peralta, Infante, and Fielder will all likely be back. Maybe someone to replace Santiago but that's about it.

At catcher, bring back Laird for another year to back up Avila. I'm not sure who is out there but this is what I'm expecting the organization to do.

Now, as far as relief pitching, Valverde will be gone or given a minor league deal. I think the org will be expecting guys like Villarreal and Al Al to continue improving. With Benoit coming back, I could see them using either he or Dotel (if he actually stays for more than a year) as a closer, and if that fails, go with more of a closer by committee. I don't think they'll actually go out and sign another closer. They have a lot of good, young arms that can step in and do an adequate job. They also have a chance to move Porcello to the bullpen if they re-sign Sanchez, though I think it's more likely he'd be traded.

I think they will be set going into 2013 with an addition-by-subtraction approach. Their first half roster was ****. It improved the 2nd half, especially on defense. Fewer AB's by Young, Boesch, Raburn, etc., and the addition of Martinez, should make a huge difference.

Seems spot on, except for Peralta. I think DD may pull some trade strings. Wouldn't be the first time something came out of nowhere, and SS seems to be the position to "expect" such a move.

I also hope Sanchez is re-signed.

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The point I'm making is that he was not particularly great in the minor leagues and has never been a highly touted prospect.

He is only 21 years old. He needs to improve his plate discipline and approach. I was actually highly impressed with what he showed in the major leagues, but counting on him to be an amazing player next year seems very dangerous to me. I'd much prefer that he spend the year in the minors refining his game.

I thought he was a highly-touted prospect as soon as he came to the Tigers' org and just needed to "put it all together" as the cliche goes. He strikes me as a guy who plays up to the competition around him and will do better when facing better competition and being around better players. I guess I just thought he was impressive enough in the two months we saw him up with the team that I think he's one of the best options currently in the organization to give them a chance at winning the most games. That's what I'm saying...there's guys who have the experience like Dirks/Raburn/whatever other garbage but I'd rather have the talent play.

I agree it's dangerous to expect him to produce for a full major league season...but given the current outfielders in the organization, I believe he's one of the best options and am comfortable with it. Now if the Tigers go sign an outfielder such as Torii Hunter as was suggested, and want to start Dirks in left, then I'd be a little more accepting. But as are the options right now, there's nobody else even close IMO.

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Why would Sanchez take a two year contract below market value?

That may have been one I forgot to change. Probably more like a 4 year deal 10 per. I also did not know that Dotel had an option on his contract.

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I wouldn't say that Garcia isn't highly touted. We paid a decent bonus to land him. He's definitely a DD "tools" guy. He made a TON of progress this year, but probably needs to start next year in AAA along with Castellanos.

It would be nice if we could trade for a veteran corner OF with only 1 year left on his contract to cover just for 2013.

The good thing is that the positions this team needs to be filled are easy ones to fill. You can usually find plenty of mediocre corner OF every season. We also need a revamped IF bench. I'm fine with Dirks and Berry being fourth and fifth OF. But we need a solid utility IF, and need to get rid of Kelly, Santiago, and Raburn.

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If I had my way they would have, in the immortal words of Benke, a FIRE SALE!!!

Honestly, I'm way too frustrated, disappointed, and even a bit embarrassed by this team to give any thoughts to next year. Right now I'm not thinking rationally and would like to see several players moved along simply for and entire career of postseason ineptitude.

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Since the biggest disagreement seems to be over how much $$ to pay Sanchez, the bakcup C and the color of the visiting clubhouse, I offer something a little more provocative: any remote chance that they try to market Fielder, and if so, any chance that they can get someone to bite on the contract for something worthwhile?

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Since the biggest disagreement seems to be over how much $$ to pay Sanchez, the bakcup C and the color of the visiting clubhouse, I offer something a little more provocative: any remote chance that they try to market Fielder, and if so, any chance that they can get someone to bite on the contract for something worthwhile?

I doubt it and there's no way they trade him.

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I wouldn't want to trade Fielder because that would leave the team with exactly (1) reliable offensive player going into next year. As bad as his postseason was he hit .313 .412 .528 in the regular season.

The Tigers need a lot more players who can get on base within 50 points of that. The last thing I want to do is get rid of the one guy getting it done.

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Don't look now, but Cody Ross appears to be a free agent this offseason! :paranoid:

I wouldn't mind kicking the tires. Give him a one year deal and he'll be the best player ever!

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I, like many others, would like to see Sanchez re-signed is possible. Opens up trading Porcello for a corner OF position.

I am ready for them to move on from Peralta but I think he will be back because he is cheap.

If Garcia is good enough to play everyday thank keep him up, but i'd hate to see him in a platoon role. I think Dirks can play everyday if given a chance.

The bench must be improved bigtime. I wouldn't be against keeping Berry around as a late game sub. If Santiago doesn't show he can play in Spring Training let him walk. Kelly shouldn't be back either.

Obviously Valverde, DY, and Raburn will be gone.

With a few moves this team should easily be favored to win the Central again. Hopefully with a new manager.

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If you have ESPN Insider, Jim Bowden has an article about the Tigers and how to improve in the off-season.

While the Detroit Tigers and their fans are obviously feeling a bit blue Sunday night, they will soon come to realize that the 2012 season was a huge success. They won the AL Central, swept the New York Yankees in the American League Championship Series and appeared in the World Series.

His five steps:

1. Let Delmon walk, VMart will replace him.

2. Let Valverde walk, mentions the Tigers could go after Rafael Soriano or trade Porcello for help there

3. Retain Sanchez and Peralta

4. Make a play for Swisher (or Pagan as a cheaper option). Garcia in one corner, Swisher in the other, Dirks/Berry as the 4th and 5th

5. Give Leyland another year (go year-to-year with him)

How the Tigers can get even better - The GM's Office by Jim Bowden Blog - ESPN

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^^^ in that scenario Dirks would likely be the starter over Garcia.

I'm with everyone else, Garcia should not be wasted in a platoon role. Let him start in AAA and come up when he's ready to play full-time.

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