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I assume the commentary was directed towards me in part because he quoted my post.

I though he quoted your post because that research lead him to a conclusion. Honestly it doesn't matter, I was just having a little fun playing off your words. Carry on.

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Have I suggested otherwise?

I was agreeing with you while adding a bit of my own editorializing.

Also i was kind of hoping I was forgetting a starter somewhere in our system and that someone would point that out to me.

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So now that Wilk is gone, can this team really afford to trade Porcello or Smyly? We are just getting thinner and thinner at SP depth. Who is the #7 right now? Crosby? Below? Yeesh talk about a train wreck waiting to happen if any of the top 5 get hurt and we trade Porcello/Smyly......

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So now that Wilk is gone, can this team really afford to trade Porcello or Smyly? We are just getting thinner and thinner at SP depth. Who is the #7 right now? Crosby? Below? Yeesh talk about a train wreck waiting to happen if any of the top 5 get hurt and we trade Porcello/Smyly......

Selling Wilk was a surprise, at least for me. It does make you wonder what the organization has planned for pitching depth.

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Regarding SP depth, from the is-what-it-is category, just a reminder that the Tigers signed Shawn Hill and Trevor Bell. Also Kyle Lobstein has been mentioned as a spot start candidate. I wouldn't slot any of them ahead of Crosby and Below, but they're there.

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Will Lobstein even make the team? He's gotta stick for us to keep him, and even if he does I'm not sure he's a viable MLB starter.

The rest of the cast of characters is just frightening. Hill.....Bell.....Bonderman.....if any combination of those have to make more than 1-2 starts this season we're probably not going to the playoffs. Not even sure I'd count Crosby and Below out of that criteria either.

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The rest of the cast of characters is just frightening. Hill.....Bell.....Bonderman.....if any combination of those have to make more than 1-2 starts this season we're probably not going to the playoffs. Not even sure I'd count Crosby and Below out of that criteria either.

I think that's overstating things a bit. Sure, you don't want any of them to log significant innings, but 5 starts by a combination of the 3 of them shouldn't put the club into dire straits. Keep in mind Sanchez for a full season, Martinez is back, Hunter upgrades RF, Infante for a full season at 2B is an upgrade over last season,... And that's just taking Detroit into consideration. Cleveland and Minnesota should be bad, the White Sox have not upgraded, and the Royals might be around .500. If the Tigers lose the division, it'll be because of more than any typical expected usage of 6th, 7th, and 8th SPs.

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I think that's overstating things a bit. Sure, you don't want any of them to log significant innings, but 5 starts by a combination of the 3 of them shouldn't put the club into dire straits. Keep in mind Sanchez for a full season, Martinez is back, Hunter upgrades RF, Infante for a full season at 2B is an upgrade over last season,... And that's just taking Detroit into consideration. Cleveland and Minnesota should be bad, the White Sox have not upgraded, and the Royals might be around .500. If the Tigers lose the division, it'll be because of more than any typical expected usage of 6th, 7th, and 8th SPs.

I'd say its over stating things more than just a bit. Again I mention that the 2011 Tigers had Brad Penny pitch all year and he was basically as bad as these reserve guys being mentioned, plus they didn't have Sanchez and didn't have Fister for half the season either. They seemed to survive alright. I'd be worried if two of the starters go down for a significant amount of time, but I think the quality of the guys 1-4 will allow them to handle an injury to one pretty well.

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So now that Wilk is gone, can this team really afford to trade Porcello or Smyly? We are just getting thinner and thinner at SP depth. Who is the #7 right now? Crosby? Below? Yeesh talk about a train wreck waiting to happen if any of the top 5 get hurt and we trade Porcello/Smyly......

It would seem less so, but by the end of ST that could all change.

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I think that's overstating things a bit. Sure, you don't want any of them to log significant innings, but 5 starts by a combination of the 3 of them shouldn't put the club into dire straits. Keep in mind Sanchez for a full season, Martinez is back, Hunter upgrades RF, Infante for a full season at 2B is an upgrade over last season,... And that's just taking Detroit into consideration. Cleveland and Minnesota should be bad, the White Sox have not upgraded, and the Royals might be around .500. If the Tigers lose the division, it'll be because of more than any typical expected usage of 6th, 7th, and 8th SPs.

Last year we had 13 starts by guys outside the top 5 (I'm including 3 starts by Smyly after Sanchez joined the roster). I think it's reasonable to expect that we'll see at least that many come from outside the top 5 this year as well.

It shouldn't cost us the division but I think it's a clear area of weakness, especially if we deal Porcello and then see a significant injury to multiple guys in the rotation.

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You have to weigh though which would be more valuable...a decent starting pitcher to fill in in the case of multiple "top five" starters going down...or a decent closing option that could see much more work at the major league level...or a more productive short stop?

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So now that Wilk is gone, can this team really afford to trade Porcello or Smyly? We are just getting thinner and thinner at SP depth. Who is the #7 right now? Crosby? Below? Yeesh talk about a train wreck waiting to happen if any of the top 5 get hurt and we trade Porcello/Smyly......

I don't think Wilk affects any sort of plan for the TIgers. He is terrible, so terrible that hes' behind guys like Hill,Below etc. He may or may not figure things out with his new curve or whatever, but clearly we weren't too confident.

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You have to weigh though which would be more valuable...a decent starting pitcher to fill in in the case of multiple "top five" starters going down...or a decent closing option that could see much more work at the major league level...or a more productive short stop?

Yah, that's the thing. Also, there is only so good of an SP you are going to be able to have for your #6/7 starter if it isn't an elite prospect. They have to be willing to sign a minor league deal and/or be a long relief man for the short term. That probably means they aren't all that good to begin with.

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Will Lobstein even make the team? He's gotta stick for us to keep him, and even if he does I'm not sure he's a viable MLB starter.

The rest of the cast of characters is just frightening. Hill.....Bell.....Bonderman.....if any combination of those have to make more than 1-2 starts this season we're probably not going to the playoffs. Not even sure I'd count Crosby and Below out of that criteria either.

I actually kinda like Bonderman's chances....but than again I'm a born optimist.

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So now that Wilk is gone, can this team really afford to trade Porcello or Smyly? We are just getting thinner and thinner at SP depth. Who is the #7 right now? Crosby? Below? Yeesh talk about a train wreck waiting to happen if any of the top 5 get hurt and we trade Porcello/Smyly......

Wilk wasn't ahead of either Crosby or Below in the first place. Below is probably a decent guy to keep around for a spot start here and there. And depending on whether Crosby breaks out or not, he might be good enough to fill in for a month or two, or even longer. If we fail to trade Porcello, we'll have 7/8 viable starters we could use.

I wouldn't be surprised to see some Quintin Berry-type signings approaching spring training, either. Guys released by other clubs that have some upside, but that we can stash in AAA. It's pointless to try and sign those type of players now, though.

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Virtually every team has 10+ starts outside of their top 5 SPs. Generally speaking, that translates into 50 IP and 40 runs.

If the Tigers have someone in that backup slot like Smyly who can deliver 70 IP and 40 runs, that saves something like 8-10 runs from a normal middle reliever...this is a major impact.

If the Tigers can beat that marginal impact by flipping Porcello and Peralta for a better SS and a decent reliever, fine...but the value of Porcello in that #5 slot is that he allows us to have a really good #6 option in Smyly, rather than relying on Smyly as the #5 and who-knows-who for the #6.

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Not really. Outside of Weaver and Wilson their pitching is garbage.

Garbage is probably a little strong, but Vargas isn't all that good. ERA over 4.5 outside of Safeco last year. Left handed version of Blanton, but maybe worse. I like Blanton though.

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Does anyone else think Morales for Vargas pretty much rules out any chance of Bourjos/Trumbo for Porcello?

I do. That didn't seem too likely anyhow.

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