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None of this is surprising.

Personally, I look forward to the next "we're told voter fraud never happens, but..." story wherein 80 votes *may* have been counted wrong in bumble**** Iowa for the county sheriff because, as is well established, Democrats stuff ballot boxes.

Or better yet, some statistician estimates there likely was 0.05% improper ballots cast in a specific district in a specific election, but the number may have been as large as 2% because the sampling size in the district was too small to narrow down the error of uncertainty, and that statement alone somehow magically, and scientifically, becomes 2% of ballots cast nationwide annually are improperly cast.  Oh, and all 2% are assumed to have been cast for Democrats.

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3 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Personally, I look forward to the next "we're told voter fraud never happens, but..." story wherein 80 votes *may* have been counted wrong in bumble**** Iowa for the county sheriff because, as is well established, Democrats stuff ballot boxes.

It's the right's justification for power grabs, and there's no effective push back from those not in the right to keep it from happening.

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3 hours ago, Euphdude said:

Conservatives aren't trying to hide their UNCONSTITUTIONAL ATTEMPTS TO STEAL political power...

Fixed just that small part for ya'...

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7 hours ago, Euphdude said:

Deceased G.O.P. Strategist’s Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question

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Conservatives aren't trying to hide their quest for power above all else any more.  This document, gerrymandering, McConnell's flip-flop confirming SC judges in a POTUS election year are among numerous examples.

you know, in a perfect world, the GOP would not only lose the case based on knowingly misrepresenting facts in their briefs, but the lawyers  involved would all be disbarred for violation of their oaths. But in this world I can see it now: Alito doesn't care if the briefs are a fraud, he thinks the gov has unlimited power to put anything they want in the census. Thomas will argue that anyone who doesn't want to admit they are here illegally shouldn't be counted anyway. How the arg will break with the other three repubs may vary but will be bound to be disappointing.

I love that Hofeller's daughter is outing him though, it's like the 60's all over again:

your sons and daughters are beyond your command,

the old road is rapidly agin'

Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand.

 

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35 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

It's all worth it if we can get rid of *legal* abortion

Minor correction. Abortion won't be going away anymore than it didn't exist before it was legal.

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5 hours ago, CMRivdog said:

May be legal but it sure smells like voter suppression 

 

This is early voting only and affects locations that were not open for the duration of early voting for use by all.   I happen to know that UTA is literally next to the county subcourthouse, walking distance (for some, a block or two tops) from the student housing.  It is a very small downtown area.     Plus there is a free student shuttle.  They don’t need a booth at football games.    TCC Southeast retains its early voting location, but it is a full time site that also serves a low income, primarily minority community  of non students in addition to their students.        

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50 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

What is the significance that it only negatively impacts early voting?

Early voting can be done at any early voting location in the county for twelve full days.  Except for these pop ups which sometimes are only available for a few hours on a few days.   Anybody too lazy to walk to the sub courthouse is probably too lazy to walk to class.  It is literally right there.  There is no negative impact.

Edit. I will correct one thing.  The football game voting wouldn’t be UTA.  They did away with their football program decades ago.

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I will also add that the same state legislature who required that early voting locations be available for the full duration of the early voting period also approved countywide voting on Election Day.  We can now go to any Election Day voting location in the county, no longer required to vote at just our designated precinct.  

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Were the early voting stations that were closed down only around campus?

That is what I am getting at.  If it is a policy state wide or county wide, then that's one thing.  If they are selectively closed in areas where a preponderance of voters that tend to support one party, then that isn't cool even if the voting station is nearby and open on election day.

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21 minutes ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

Were the early voting stations that were closed down only around campus?

That is what I am getting at.  If it is a policy state wide or county wide, then that's one thing.  If they are selectively closed in areas where a preponderance of voters that tend to support one party vote, then that isn't cool even if the voting station is nearby and open on election day.

It is subsequent to a new state law doing away with mobile early voting sites, requiring all early voting sites to be available to voters for the entire twelve days of early voting.    I haven't seen anything locally about any issue except the college campuses. And at least in my county, it really isn't an impact on young people having access to vote.  As I noted, the community college on the southeast side is probably in the most low income, high minority area,  has a full early voting site and it serves the community not just students.   It remains an early voting site.   UTA is a large extent a commuter school but with a county sub courthouse right adjacent the campus.  I can't envision non students using the "ice cream truck" style voting, much less even keeping up with when it will be there.   Not sure about TCU voting locations, though I will note that it is an affluent neighborhood and the majority of students affluent as well with a few scholarship students thrown in, particularly in the sports department.

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Hard to tell, but reading what I can it appears that the larger issue with the new rule about the mobile voting seems to be at UT in Austin and relating to use of it to get students to vote against Travis County residents/homeowners relative to bonds that said students will never have to pay for.  All the fuss in my area is strictly partisan political and honestly the students don't seem to care that much.  It really isn't hard to vote here, especially with the new county wide voting.

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43 minutes ago, Melody said:

Hard to tell, but reading what I can it appears that the larger issue with the new rule about the mobile voting seems to be at UT in Austin and relating to use of it to get students to vote against Travis County residents/homeowners relative to bonds that said students will never have to pay for.  

LOL. When I came to Ann Arbor as a student is was a republican town and the locals made exactly the same complaints about students voting to spend their money. Fast forward 30 years and so many of those students have stayed around town that it's now solid blue and those voters are still voting for the same 'spendthrift' ways even though now it is their own money. And what do they have to show for it? About the highest appreciation on their property for anywhere in the state without lake access.....

Bwa-ha-ha-ha.........

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2 hours ago, Melody said:

It is subsequent to a new state law doing away with mobile early voting sites, requiring all early voting sites to be available to voters for the entire twelve days of early voting.    I haven't seen anything locally about any issue except the college campuses. And at least in my county, it really isn't an impact on young people having access to vote.  As I noted, the community college on the southeast side is probably in the most low income, high minority area,  has a full early voting site and it serves the community not just students.   It remains an early voting site.   UTA is a large extent a commuter school but with a county sub courthouse right adjacent the campus.  I can't envision non students using the "ice cream truck" style voting, much less even keeping up with when it will be there.   Not sure about TCU voting locations, though I will note that it is an affluent neighborhood and the majority of students affluent as well with a few scholarship students thrown in, particularly in the sports department.

Is it a statewide law, but the mobile voting sites only existed around colleges?

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24 minutes ago, pfife said:

Is it a statewide law, but the mobile voting sites only existed around colleges?

It is the only complaint I have heard.  And most of my reading/information is from very "blue" leaning sources.  So if it impacts, for example, rural areas the blues DGAF.

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35 minutes ago, Gehringer_2 said:

LOL. When I came to Ann Arbor as a student is was a republican town and the locals made exactly the same complaints about students voting to spend their money. Fast forward 30 years and so many of those students have stayed around town that it's now solid blue and those voters are still voting for the same 'spendthrift' ways even though now it is their own money. And what do they have to show for it? About the highest appreciation on their property for anywhere in the state without lake access.....

Bwa-ha-ha-ha.........

Yeah, we have pretty high appreciation here as well, at least for tax purposes.  Hard on fixed income retirees like us.  That said, I have voted in favor of most of the recent bond proposals.  But I also don't whine about how hard it is to have to drive a few blocks to vote instead of having an ice cream truck style voting booth visit my street.   It's actually kind of fun going to the polls on election day.    But in any event, with the concurrent change in law to permit county wide voting, it is easier than ever to vote here.  For everyone.  The college students don't seem to be complaining that much.  It is partisan adults.

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13 hours ago, Mr. Bigglesworth said:

A student's vote is as valid as anyone else's.

Of course it is.  It is no more and no less valid than anyone else’s.  Again, the issue was use of the timing and locations of these mobile early voting locations to manipulate votes on local bonds.  It wasn’t just college campuses either.   This evidently wasn’t an issue in my area.  Some Tarrant area colleges are complaining, but honestly shouldn’t be impacted.  It is easier and more convenient to vote here than at any time in my lifetime.   And that includes college students.   An education program by the school such as fliers on campus telling students where they can vote and when should be sufficient.  Let’s give them credit for being adults instead of telling them how “unfair,” it is that they have to cross a street and mix with the community in order to do their civic duty.

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