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Did not see a offseason thread anywhere, so I apologize if I missed it.

Just read an article on ESPN insider stating the Wings should have the inside track on Zack Parise and Ryan Suter this offseason. The Wings will have about 20 million in cap space. Article goes on to say the only wrinkle could be the cap could be lowered with the new CBA which would lower the chances of getting both players. Because it is insider I cannot post the link.

Id love to see the Wings add a top forward like Parise. Keep Nyquist up. Get rid of Holmstrom. Continue to make moves to become more athletic. I think they really need to add some scoring.

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Well, if the Wings want Lidstrom back, Holmstrom may have to be part of the package. Both would have to take less than they did last year, though.

They need a faceoff specialist too.

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I think Nashville and NJ are the front-runners to sign Suter and Parise respectively. But if they hit the open market, the Wings will be in the mix for both, making the shortlist of say 5 teams. It reminds me a bit of all that Harbaugh to Michigan talk 18 months ago. Yes, it's logical, but there are other contenders for Suter and Parise's services and many factors that go into a decision.

I don't think Holmstrom's status will be factor in Lidstrom's decision. And I don't expect him to take a hometown discount below the $5mm mark, nor does he need to.

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I would make Suter #1 and try for Parise almost as hard. If not Parise they still need to add a top 6 forward and another top 9 forward. There is no reason to rebuild or go completly young, but some significant changes need to be made.

There are all kinds of options out there- from Free Agency you could look to Semin if he takes a pay cut, but there are also a lot of good verterns who you could add for a complimentary piece like Jokinen, Stoll, Arnott, Penner, Doan and Samuelsson. I know these are not guys you rebuild around but they are nice 2 year pieces to retool with.

There are also trade options like Jordan Stall, Iginla, Brendan Morrow and Dustin Brown.

They do need to add an impact forward and get him signed long-term either this year or next. The defense with Suter is deep and should be fine. SMith needs to play somehow at some point this year though.

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I would make Suter #1 and try for Parise almost as hard. If not Parise they still need to add a top 6 forward and another top 9 forward. There is no reason to rebuild or go completly young, but some significant changes need to be made.

There are all kinds of options out there- from Free Agency you could look to Semin if he takes a pay cut, but there are also a lot of good verterns who you could add for a complimentary piece like Jokinen, Stoll, Arnott, Penner, Doan and Samuelsson. I know these are not guys you rebuild around but they are nice 2 year pieces to retool with.

There are also trade options like Jordan Stall, Iginla, Brendan Morrow and Dustin Brown.

Dustin Brown is no longer available on the trade market this offseason. Stoll and Penner will not be signed back as the Kings will undoubtedly try to lock up Quick before he hits the open market in 2013.

Matt Carle is another player to keep an eye on that would be a good fit on the blue line for the Wings.

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Carle is already looking like a good bet to be one of the more over paid UFA's this year (in saying that I still think he's good). I would rather see them over pay and get a Star even though it will be to a longer deal.

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I would make Suter #1 and try for Parise almost as hard. If not Parise they still need to add a top 6 forward and another top 9 forward. There is no reason to rebuild or go completly young, but some significant changes need to be made.

There are all kinds of options out there- from Free Agency you could look to Semin if he takes a pay cut, but there are also a lot of good verterns who you could add for a complimentary piece like Jokinen, Stoll, Arnott, Penner, Doan and Samuelsson. I know these are not guys you rebuild around but they are nice 2 year pieces to retool with.

There are also trade options like Jordan Stall, Iginla, Brendan Morrow and Dustin Brown.

They do need to add an impact forward and get him signed long-term either this year or next. The defense with Suter is deep and should be fine. SMith needs to play somehow at some point this year though.

I hope Holland realizes he needs to make some changes. I do not want to see a roster spot wasted on Holmstrom either. A top 6 forward to help ease the burden on Datsyuk and Zetterburg is a must IMO. Another solid player like the ones you have listed would also help a ton.

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I hope Holland realizes he needs to make some changes. I do not want to see a roster spot wasted on Holmstrom either. A top 6 forward to help ease the burden on Datsyuk and Zetterburg is a must IMO. Another solid player like the ones you have listed would also help a ton.

I would love to add a legit top 6 (top 3 or 4) and another top 5-9 forward who could play on any of the top 3 lines. Ideally if Nyquist can play in the top 3 lines, it would be nice to see a 4th line of Abby, Helm and Eaves/Miller/Mursak. That would make for a deep set of forwards which they are not that far away from. That 3rd line center could be a veteren through Free-Agency or (depending on who they pick-up) Filpulla could go back to 3rd line center. That would put them back to Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Filpulla and Helm down the middle.

Holland's comments to the media worry me though. Hopefully Babcock gets in his ear or it's just a poker face.

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Holland is being realistic. Just because we want Suter or Parise, doesn't mean we will get them. Wasn't it Suter that had his jock left on the ice by Datsyuk with 5 seconds left in the game in February? He also had a few major giveaways in the Phoenix series. Not saying he wouldn't be a good addition, but there's no uptopia or any set formula or sure thing. A few weeks ago, Nashville was the model for how to do things and they were genuiuses for getting Gaustad and Kostitsyn. Now they're on the golf course and LA is the gold standard. The salary cap has changed things and the Wings have done well to stay competitive without having to suffer through some dreadful seasons in the process. I'm willing to give Holland and company the benefit of the doubt. I think they know what they're doing.

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I don't think it's Holland being realistic at all. I'm trying to figure out weather he is trying to stay out of the hype or if he continues to think that this team, when healthy and firing on all cylinders, can win the Cup. They need some good size tweaks.

Even Zetterberg and Datsyuk came out in public and said that this roster needs change. That almost blew me away as those guys never speak up to that extent. And everyone is well aware of how Babcock feels as he did not shy away from practically thowing (practically) Holland under the bus during the post-game interview following the Red Wigns departure.

I would think most fans understand it's wishfull thinking to land Parise and/on Suter this off-season, but this team is going no where without some change.

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Also, Franzen and Datsyuk have never clicked to the way their combined talent suggest they might. During the Red Wing Cup runs Zetterberg and Franzen had some good chemisty and are doing so again over at the World Championships. Get Datsyuk a new top line forward to play with and move Franzen with Zetterberg.

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Also, Franzen and Datsyuk have never clicked to the way their combined talent suggest they might. During the Red Wing Cup runs Zetterberg and Franzen had some good chemisty and are doing so again over at the World Championships. Get Datsyuk a new top line forward to play with and move Franzen with Zetterberg.

I think this fellow named Nyquist would be a great line-mate for Pasha.

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Direct comments from Suter and Poile the past couple of days, as well as insiders' takes on those statements, indicate that Suter will be available to outside bidders like the Wings. Of course there'll be lots of bidder. However my biggest concern was that Suter wouldn't leave Nashville yet now it appears he's ready to. Detroit really needs to open the checkbook on this, overpay if necessary. The team is at a turning point. Sign Suter as an anchor and the future looks as bright as ever.

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The Wings must get one of the two in my opinion. The defense this year was not good and they need a top level guy that can be an anchor as LS said since if he comes back, this will be Nick's last season. Nyqvist will be a nice part to play next year as I think he can be a very good player but they have to go out and get someone who can put the puck in the net on a consistent basis. Franzen can't do it and Hank and Pavel are better distributers than scorers. Be bold and go get Parise or make a trade for a big time goal scorer.

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We're getting Parise if New Jersey doesn't screw it up and magically win the cup somehow.

However, outside of the two big names I am also really interested in Ryan Jones from the Avalanche and Dennis Weidman from the Caps. Jones would be a nice 2nd/3rd line pickup, a guy who is a right handed shot and could contribute 20 plus goals a season. Weidman would be a nice third line pickup and second line in-case of injury type of guy.

If we miss out on Suter I I'd be inquiring with Dallas about getting Trevor Daley. I'm not enamored with Daley like I would be with Suter or Weber but I think he can be a suitable first line D-Man for us going forward.

If we miss out on Parise I'd call Dallas again and just ask em' what the going rate for Loui Eriksson is. Eriksson is a personal favorite of mine at the forward spot and would assuredly provide us with instant goal scoring help. Sure, the farm system may be naked, but for the five or six years we could see Eriksson and Dats playing together, man son man!

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There isn't one player or one trade that ever guarantees anything. Would change help? Maybe, maybe not. They could sign Parise and Suter and not make the playoffs just as easily as they could win the Cup with them.

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There isn't one player or one trade that ever guarantees anything. Would change help? Maybe, maybe not. They could sign Parise and Suter and not make the playoffs just as easily as they could win the Cup with them.

You sound as if you are happy with the roster as is. I understand that signing big name free agents doesn't guarantee winning anything (The Tigers are a good example) but you have to admit Holland has been lazy the past few off seasons. Blaming injuries,etc on the early exits from the playoffs. But now the roster is now stale, and moves need to be made. 2 or 3 moves and this team is a legit contender. Sitting on their ***** and bringing back older players like Holmstrom, will cause them to struggle to even make the playoffs IMO.

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The "stale" argument is as flawed as it is poisonous. The key to being good for as long as the Wings have is consistency, as the Wings have proven for years. Change for the sake of change is stupid and rarely works, and winning is often in spite of change rather than because of. The Wings won in 2008 after adding Dallas Drake and replacing Schneider with Rafalski.

If you expect them to win the cup ever year you are going to be disappointed far more often than not. It's just not realistic. I'd prefer a team that makes the playoffs every year because they actually have a shot of winning. I hate fans who call for change when a team is successful. You are spoiled.

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You sound as if you are happy with the roster as is. I understand that signing big name free agents doesn't guarantee winning anything (The Tigers are a good example) but you have to admit Holland has been lazy the past few off seasons. Blaming injuries,etc on the early exits from the playoffs. But now the roster is now stale, and moves need to be made. 2 or 3 moves and this team is a legit contender. Sitting on their ***** and bringing back older players like Holmstrom, will cause them to struggle to even make the playoffs IMO.

I think sagnam said it pretty well, but to add my own 2 cents, I would like to see a few additions. But I'm of the mindset that if I can see that, I'm relatively certain that Kenny Holland and company kind of see that too. Holland "sitting on his ***" the past few seasons has given the Wings 20 million in cap space with a couple of prime free agents available while still having quite an impressive core group of players still in their prime. I think being a GM is incredibly easy when you're sitting behind a keyboard. But that's not an easy thing to pull off. When you're the one that has to spend the money or make decisions not knowing things like cap space in 2 years or who might be a good fit and who won't be. Because something might look good "on paper" doesn't mean it's going to work in reality. I laugh now when I hear all these fans saying we should have kept Hossa over Franzen. How quickly people forget. Hossa was injured and totally ineffective in the playoffs the one year he was here and Franzen was a consistent playoff performer.

The unfortunate side of being so successful for so many years is that the Wings have lacked quality draft picks. Holland knows there's only so much you can do through trades and free agency and that eventually the Wings have to start at home. But the fan base won't tolerate 3 or 4 years of not making the playoffs to acheive that. No pressure at all, eh?

And yes, the Wings do have a tendency to keep some veteran players too long. Holmstrom is at the end of his contract and like the others in recent years, Chelios, Maltby, Draper, etc, he'll probably get a nice job in the front office if he so chooses. But I think that's also going to look appealing to guys like Suter and Parise and others who are looking for a good organization to play in.

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I think sagnam said it pretty well, but to add my own 2 cents, I would like to see a few additions. But I'm of the mindset that if I can see that, I'm relatively certain that Kenny Holland and company kind of see that too. Holland "sitting on his ***" the past few seasons has given the Wings 20 million in cap space with a couple of prime free agents available while still having quite an impressive core group of players still in their prime. I think being a GM is incredibly easy when you're sitting behind a keyboard. But that's not an easy thing to pull off. When you're the one that has to spend the money or make decisions not knowing things like cap space in 2 years or who might be a good fit and who won't be. Because something might look good "on paper" doesn't mean it's going to work in reality. I laugh now when I hear all these fans saying we should have kept Hossa over Franzen. How quickly people forget. Hossa was injured and totally ineffective in the playoffs the one year he was here and Franzen was a consistent playoff performer.

The unfortunate side of being so successful for so many years is that the Wings have lacked quality draft picks. Holland knows there's only so much you can do through trades and free agency and that eventually the Wings have to start at home. But the fan base won't tolerate 3 or 4 years of not making the playoffs to acheive that. No pressure at all, eh?

And yes, the Wings do have a tendency to keep some veteran players too long. Holmstrom is at the end of his contract and like the others in recent years, Chelios, Maltby, Draper, etc, he'll probably get a nice job in the front office if he so chooses. But I think that's also going to look appealing to guys like Suter and Parise and others who are looking for a good organization to play in.

Well said. I agree especially with the draft pick situation. It would be hard to draft where they have year after year and still have success. I hope some things get worked out this off season. I also agree it is MUCH easier to be behind a keyboard than actually running the team. LOL.

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Semin is headed for free agency. Agent says his "role as a 28 year old is unacceptable and he wants to be a full-time player".

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I'm surprised that they were quick to say this after Hunter stepped away (puck daddy had a good article about his 1 year tenure there, I think it is a good read: Dale Hunter won). At the same time I'm not shocked he wants to test the market.

He's probably going to be one of the best scorers on the market, but I'm not totally convinced with his game. He has a wicked shot, but I'm not sure what else he brings to the table. He has a reputation as lazy/not a two way player, but at this point I'm not sure if these media things or true or if Russians are just killed by North American journalists.

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