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I am definitely not saying we have any noticeable flaws right now but I'm not entirely sure that the winds are strong enough for playoffs. I continue top hear how Holland is comfortable with the current team especially because of thre streak. The worry on my part is the roster is essentially unchanged from last year, where we had little to no secondary scoring. I guess the question is will this streak make management believe that this team is deep enough to win a cup.

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If anything, this team is setting up very well for the playoffs. You need to have depth in the playoffs and the bottom six are playing very well right now and they're getting scoring from the defencemen. Granted, the playoffs are still two months away, but I'm not worried in the least. That's not to say they're going to win the Cup, but I'm happy that they're not relying on Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Franzen to win games. Like MCS posted, anything can happen come April.

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They're a top 5 team. No promises beyond that. Except that the Cup winner almost always comes from teams you'd pick as one of the top 5 most likely winners going into the playoffs. More often than not, from the top 3 in points standings.

I have to disagree with MCS a bit. Talent is still the number one factor, although the 3 MCS mentioned also count. Not all 16 playoff teams are created equal. Nor is it a crapshoot. I'm a big believer in the importance of matchups. Luck a bit (both the Bruins and Canucks were a shot away in Game 7 OT from being 1st round knockouts). I think hot goaltending is a factor in the Cup winner less often than we think.

Overall points standings of the Cup winners over the past 20 years:

2912 -

2011- Boston 7th (2 points out of 5th)

2010 - Chicago 3rd

2009 - Pittsburgh 8th (but had been to the Finals the year before)

2008- Detroit 1st

2007 - Anaheim 3rd

2006- Carolina T-3rd

2004- Tampa 2nd

2003 - New Jersey 3rd

2002- Detroit 1st

2001 - Colorado 1st

2000 - New Jersey 4th

1999 - Dallas 1st

1998 - Detroit 3rd

1997 - Detroit 5th (and a wins record the year before)

1996 - Colorado 2nd

1995 - New Jersey 9th (glaring exception, but strike-shortened regular season)

1994 - NY Rangers 1st

1993 - Montreal 6th

And I honestly can't remember a hot goalie stealing a Stanley Cup. Only 5 goalies have won the Conn Smythe for Cup winners since 1990: Patrick Roy in 1993 (the closest to a Cup steal), Vernon 1997, Roy 2001, Cam Ward 2006, Tim Thomas 2011 and the most recent 4 certainly weren't steals.

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They're a top 5 team. No promises beyond that. Except that the Cup winner almost always comes from teams you'd pick as one of the top 5 most likely winners going into the playoffs. More often than not, from the top 3 in points standings.

I have to disagree with MCS a bit. Talent is still the number one factor, although the 3 MCS mentioned also count. Not all 16 playoff teams are created equal. Nor is it a crapshoot. I'm a big believer in the importance of matchups. Luck a bit (both the Bruins and Canucks were a shot away in Game 7 OT from being 1st round knockouts). I think hot goaltending is a factor in the Cup winner less often than we think.

Overall points standings of the Cup winners over the past 20 years:

2912 -

2011- Boston 7th (2 points out of 5th)

2010 - Chicago 3rd

2009 - Pittsburgh 8th (but had been to the Finals the year before)

2008- Detroit 1st

2007 - Anaheim 3rd

2006- Carolina T-3rd

2004- Tampa 2nd

2003 - New Jersey 3rd

2002- Detroit 1st

2001 - Colorado 1st

2000 - New Jersey 4th

1999 - Dallas 1st

1998 - Detroit 3rd

1997 - Detroit 5th (and a wins record the year before)

1996 - Colorado 2nd

1995 - New Jersey 9th (glaring exception, but strike-shortened regular season)

1994 - NY Rangers 1st

1993 - Montreal 6th

And I honestly can't remember a hot goalie stealing a Stanley Cup. Only 5 goalies have won the Conn Smythe for Cup winners since 1990: Patrick Roy in 1993 (the closest to a Cup steal), Vernon 1997, Roy 2001, Cam Ward 2006, Tim Thomas 2011 and the most recent 4 certainly weren't steals.

Cam Ward in 2006 stole a Cup. Edmonton was the better team in that series.

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If anything, this team is setting up very well for the playoffs. You need to have depth in the playoffs and the bottom six are playing very well right now and they're getting scoring from the defencemen. Granted, the playoffs are still two months away, but I'm not worried in the least. That's not to say they're going to win the Cup, but I'm happy that they're not relying on Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Franzen to win games. Like MCS posted, anything can happen come April.

I agree completely with this. Depth scoring is huge in the playoffs. Also, and maybe most importantly, they have outstanding goal-tending. And I do especially like the toughness/physical play that they are showing as far as getting pucks, play around the boards, and clearing the zone. Not big hits or fighting, but being physical and strong on their skates.

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It may go along with luck, but I think injuries are a major factor in the playoffs. The healthier the team, the better the chances. While we have essentially the same roster, this year's team seems to have a different feel to it. The biggest thing for me is the progression of Howard and now having Joey Mac Donald. I think the secondary scoring has really improved with Hudler, Filppula, Miller, etc...I think Ian White has been an upgrade on defense. Didn't sacrifice anything from the offense that Rafalski provided either. As good as the Wings are, the conference is strong with Vancouver, San Jose, St. Louis, Chicago, etc. I think they have as good of a chance as anyone, but I don't think there's anyone they could acquire at the trade deadline that would make it a sure thing. You never know how someone will fit in and if they will be successful here.

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Cam Ward in 2006 stole a Cup. Edmonton was the better team in that series.

You may be right. That's the one Stanley Cup Finals, World Series or Super Bowl of the past 25 years that I had absolutely zero interest in. I did stroll into a bar and watch the final 3 minutes of Game 7 because I saw on a TV through the window that it was a close game.

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It may go along with luck, but I think injuries are a major factor in the playoffs. The healthier the team, the better the chances.

Yes, injuries are huge. That's why I care about seeding. Because if you're #1 seed, you quite often catch a break and get a reasonable 2nd round matchup due to a 1st round upset by someone else. San Jose and Detroit knock each other around while Vancouver sails past Nashville last year, for example. And that's why I'd like to see a depth defenseman added at the deadline if possible. The Wings have enough depthy at forward, IMO. But if, say, Brad Stuart is injured in the 2nd round, I want something better than a 3rd d-pairing of Kindl & Commodore versus the Canucks.

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And that's why I'd like to see a depth defenseman added at the deadline if possible.

Holland clearly saw this... and *poof* only a few hours later, LS' request is granted!

:laugh:

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Holland clearly saw this... and *poof* only a few hours later, LS' request is granted!

:laugh:

I think acquiring Kyle Quincey was move number 1 becasue I think the Wings about about to make a big trade and Jakob Kindl is gonna be part of it. I think Holland is being very Dombrowskian in his "no big moves coming" stance.

I think its gonna be Kindl, Nyquist and a high draft pick (2nd or 3rd round) for Teemu Selanne. I really think they are looking to sign at least two big, big names in free agency in the offseason and they won't need the draft picks or prospects so much. Quincey and Brendan Smith will go nicely in the rotation next year with Lidstrom in his last season, Kronwall, Ericsson and Shea Weber. Zach Parise will round out the top six forwards very nicely next year.

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I think acquiring Kyle Quincey was move number 1 becasue I think the Wings about about to make a big trade and Jakob Kindl is gonna be part of it. I think Holland is being very Dombrowskian in his "no big moves coming" stance.

I think its gonna be Kindl, Nyquist and a high draft pick (2nd or 3rd round) for Teemu Selanne. I really think they are looking to sign at least two big, big names in free agency in the offseason and they won't need the draft picks or prospects so much. Quincey and Brendan Smith will go nicely in the rotation next year with Lidstrom in his last season, Kronwall, Ericsson and Shea Weber. Zach Parise will round out the top six forwards very nicely next year.

I see no point in getting rid of Kindl. He'd just be a throwin on any trade. If Quincey only yields a late 1st round pick, Kindl would yield less. And I think a trade like that for Selanne would be lopsided against the Wings.

I only have so-so confidence in being able to make ideal offseason signings. The Wings have the will and the space but we all know that July 1 can be silly season.

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Holland clearly saw this... and *poof* only a few hours later, LS' request is granted!

:laugh:

Another move I'd like to see the Wings make before the deadline is adding depth to their scouting department by adding a body in Vancouver. Ideal candidate would be someone living there who is a Wings fan, who grew up near Detroit, had no hockey playing skill of his own, works at a desk job by day, posts on a hockey message board, and is able to multi-task by switching from one channel of CentreIce to the other seamlessly. Compensation should simply be free season tickets to all Red Wing and Canuck and Vancouver Giants home games, delivered by FedEx overnight to **** St., Vancouver, BC, *** ***.

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I wrote an article on Bleacher Report with all the reason not to worry. "6 Reasons not to worry about the slump" or something

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