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I remember a load of uninformed rhetoric like this two years ago, when MSU was meeting SEC East Champ Georgia in a FL bowl game. How'd that pan out?

Additionally, I enjoy the fact that MSU is now ranked 4th nationally in both polls, and would theoretically be in place to make the national semifinals, had that system been in place for the 2013 campaign. I don't know about you, but to me that feels like something resembling national relevance.

Incidentally, where's that list of 6 other teams?

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As a Michigan fan, I don't agree with Stanpapi's position that Michigan has played in only 1-3 meaningful bowl games in the past 40 years (that being the Rose Bowl following the 1997 season, plus a couple other occasions where the Wolverines were ranked in the top 4 going into the bowls and had an outside shot at finishing #1 if certain results fell the right way). MSU had a meaningful season and are playing in a meaningful bowl.

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yeah, the rose bowl means something, bcs bowls generally mean something.

congrats to msu, from a um fan. i found myself doing a couple of fist pumps and little dances in the 4Q. awesome game.

seems like a great group of kids, and even dantonio hasn't done anything to piss me of the past year or two.

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This has nothing to do with your statement about a Mich fans dreams. If you want to rant about the B1G being weak relative to the rest of the country, go for it, but it has little to do with MSU beating OSU. Besides, you seem to be very sensitive about the subject. ?

No, I'm not sensitive about it at all, and it wasn't a rant. It was flat out fact. The problem is, nobody in this conference ever aspires to more than simply winning the conference. They weighs on recruiting for all of the schools. Did you see the recruit Michigan lost to Alabama? I wonder if Michigan (or the big 10, for that matter), never being in the NC discussion had anything to do with it? No, I'm certain it was because Michigan has an inferior engineering school to that of Alabama, like the kid proclaimed. :) Let's get real. I mean, bully for MSU winning the big ten championship, nice win. But it isn't the NC. And it wouldn't really mean anything for Michigan either if they won it. Unless you're in the NC discussion, you're just part of everyone else. Perhaps others don't share my view, but I would prefer to win real championships, not 'feel good' championships (or at least be in the discussion more times than once every 15-20 years). It's the same problem I have with Brady Hoke saying he intends to win Big 10 championships and beat OSU when he got here. Don't you want more than that, coach?

My point about it being a Michigan fan's dream was simply to say that if Michigan isn't going anywhere, it's nice to see that their rivals aren't either. And also to, at the same time, make the point that winning this conference is like the kid that gets a trophy for being the 7th best outfielder on his little league team. So what.....

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As a Michigan fan, I don't agree with Stanpapi's position that Michigan has played in only 1-3 meaningful bowl games in the past 40 years (that being the Rose Bowl following the 1997 season, plus a couple other occasions where the Wolverines were ranked in the top 4 going into the bowls and had an outside shot at finishing #1 if certain results fell the right way). MSU had a meaningful season and are playing in a meaningful bowl.

I suppose it's a difference of opinion. I want the big one, not intermediate big ones. I would hope MSU and the other schools in the conference would too. I never said MSU didn't have a successful season. But going 12-1 or 13-0 or whatever in this conference does not give me a warm and fuzzy. This is also why I hate the bowl system in general and think there should be playoffs, but that's a different conversation.

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No, I'm not sensitive about it at all, and it wasn't a rant. It was flat out fact. The problem is, nobody in this conference ever aspires to more than simply winning the conference. They weighs on recruiting for all of the schools. Did you see the recruit Michigan lost to Alabama? I wonder if Michigan (or the big 10, for that matter), never being in the NC discussion had anything to do with it? No, I'm certain it was because Michigan has an inferior engineering school to that of Alabama, like the kid proclaimed. :) Let's get real. I mean, bully for MSU winning the big ten championship, nice win. But it isn't the NC. And it wouldn't really mean anything for Michigan either if they won it. Unless you're in the NC discussion, you're just part of everyone else. Perhaps others don't share my view, but I would prefer to win real championships, not 'feel good' championships (or at least be in the discussion more times than once every 15-20 years). It's the same problem I have with Brady Hoke saying he intends to win Big 10 championships and beat OSU when he got here. Don't you want more than that, coach?

My point about it being a Michigan fan's dream was simply to say that if Michigan isn't going anywhere, it's nice to see that their rivals aren't either. And also to, at the same time, make the point that winning this conference is like the kid that gets a trophy for being the 7th best outfielder on his little league team. So what.....

I was yanking your chain. I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I haven't let a bunch of college kids playing a kids game get me worked up in about 10 years.

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.... I'm certain it was because Michigan has an inferior engineering school to that of Alabama, l....

haha. Football players in eng at UM are pretty rare anyway. Word has filtered around over the years that coaches seriously discourage Revenue sport athletes from enrolling in eng, though a very few do here and there. I think Mark Huyge graduated from the engin school. Can't think of many others in recent years.

Anyway, congrats to the Spartans. I'm maize and blue, but my high school colors were green and white so I have no problem with Spartan success when it doesn't come at UM expense.. :classic:

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What we are now left with is MSU going to a meaningless bowl from a national championship perspective and OSU going to a meaningless bowl from a national championship perspective. Once they're all played, neither one of them will be national champs. To me, that is what it should be about. The national championship discussions are left for the schools down south....like they are every year.

BS. I watched ESPN last night, and their 5 announcers talked about MSU on the same level as Alabama, Auburn, FSU, Baylor, and Stanford all as legitimate Top-4 playoff teams, if the system had started this year. They are most definitely NCG-relevant, no matter what you try to do to drive the narrative and diminish their accomplishments for your own aggrandizement.

If anything, the fact that four of the final top-10 BCS teams entered the season unranked should be enough to fulfill any CFB fan's need to be upset about something. Rankings are way too dependent on the rankings of the previous week and year, and the media-driven bias of certain conferences over others. Trolls like Drew Sharp (and stanpapi) just highlight this fact.

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I don't see how the preseason rankings have had any effect. This is brought up every year, but do you really think the rankings of the top 10 teams are suffering from poll inertia.

The computer rankings, as flawed as they may be, are pretty close to what the polls say. The computer rankings don't care about preseason poll rankings.

MSU, for instance is ranked fifth by the computers, with Stanford being ahead of them. Stanford was ranked in the preseason, yet the pollsters have put msu in front.

What is there to be upset about, exactly?

If there was a playoff this year, my guess is that the matchups would be fsu-Stanford and msu-auburn. That would have been cool.

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Hate to harp on this subject, but I really would like to see that list of 10 teams that are decisively superior to OSU and MSU.

Shelton, I think the 4-team field would line up FSU/MSU and an Iron Bowl rematch.

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Hate to harp on this subject, but I really would like to see that list of 10 teams that are decisively superior to OSU and MSU.

Shelton, I think the 4-team field would line up FSU/MSU and an Iron Bowl rematch.

Perhaps. We were told that some weight would be given to being a conference champion, which is why I gave MSU the nod for the 3 seed and Stanford the kid for the final spot.

Obviously bama is a great team, but you've only got 4 spots and had four excellent conference champs.

Maybe just a bit hopeful on my end. Stanford with two losses probably doesn't get in in reality. But maybe Baylor at 11-1.

Regardless, I think MSU would be the 3 seed. I really hope they consider avoiding rematches when it comes to determining 3/4 seed also, presuming it is a close call.

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And there is no way you are ever going to get an answer from Stan on your question. He can't read your posts through the maize and blue glasses.

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One has to wonder how long until Pat Narduzzi takes a head coaching job at another program.

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And there is no way you are ever going to get an answer from Stan on your question. He can't read your posts through the maize and blue glasses.

If I change my font color to green, will that help?

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And there is no way you are ever going to get an answer from Stan on your question. He can't read your posts through the maize and blue glasses.

My answer is...the other 8 that are ranked in the top ten, plus the next best two teams (11 & 12).

My comments have nothing with Maize & Blue glasses. I just don't find much difference between the rose bowl and any other bowl, other than the national championship game. Because after all of those bowls that aren't named the national championship game, the best you can possibly be is #3 in the country (maybe number 2 in limited circumstances depending on the polls). In what other sport do we feel that being #3 or worse is hunky dory? I can't think of one. The bowl system is flawed, yet no one will let them go due to the dollars. That's unfortunate. Every other major sport has a playoff system of some sort.

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Some good stuff here:

By Matt Zemek

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Yes, the SEC got lucky again. Yes, Urban Meyer absorbed a shattering loss. Yes, Ohio State’s dramatic fall from a lofty height will garner plenty of attention in the coming days, as the 2013 college football regular season is digested and processed.

Yet, for all the ways in which Ohio State and Auburn were both thrust into the spotlight on Saturday night in Indianapolis, it’s worth making the Michigan State Spartans the centerpiece of the 2013 Big Ten Championship Game. What the guys in green achieved inside Lucas Oil Stadium should be acknowledged as an accomplishment that will live forever in East Lansing.

Realize this about Michigan State: The Spartans watched with frustration as Notre Dame played for a 10-10 tie in 1966. Michigan State’s players and coaches left the field with a bitter taste in their mouths that day, after the conclusion of one of college football’s most hyped games of all time. Michigan State then proved to be the Big Ten’s best team in 1978, but due to NCAA sanctions (probation), the Spartans weren’t able to face mighty USC in the 1979 Rose Bowl. Michigan, one of two teams that always made the Rose Bowl in the 1970s (the other one being Ohio State, of course), snapped up a set of plane tickets to the Arroyo Seco.

In more recent years, Michigan State has continued to miss out on prestigious January bowls and program-changing opportunities because the system has befriended its neighbors, especially those Wolverines from Ann Arbor. Michigan climbed over Michigan State for an Orange Bowl bid in the 1999 season, despite an MSU win over the Wolverines in head-to-head competition. In 2010, Michigan State tied for the Big Ten title with Wisconsin and Ohio State, but the Badgers and Buckeyes went to BCS bowls while the Spartans had to settle for a Capital One Bowl assignment. In 2011, Michigan State barely lost the Big Ten Championship Game to Wisconsin and tumbled out of the BCS picture. The Spartans had made the Rose Bowl – any BCS bowl, for that matter – only once since the 1965 season.

The portrait was clear… and painful: Whereas Northwestern and Purdue and Indiana have rarely been expected to do much of anything in the Big Ten, Michigan State has been a program that has usually possessed the potential to be great. The Spartans, more than any other program in the Upper Midwest, have teased their fan base while also receiving the short end of various tiebreakers, disputes, and executive decisions.

For Michigan State to surrender a 24-point run and absorb that sick feeling of inadequacy, only to rediscover itself in the final 20 minutes of regulation, represents one of the most impressive single-game displays of mental toughness in the history of Big Ten football. The Spartans looked lifeless and paralyzed in the face of big-stage pressure and championship-poker stakes. Once up by a 17-0 score, they had buckled under the weight of a typical scoring avalanche from an Urban Meyer-coached team. Everything about the way in which Michigan State – coaches and players alike – was carrying itself at the time suggested that Ohio State would run away and hide, securing a spot in the national championship game against Florida State.

Yet, just when Ohio State could taste that trip to the West Coast, Michigan State accessed a deeper well of determination. The play selection by the Spartans’ offensive braintrust improved markedly. Misdirection plays and some option runs pried open angles that had not emerged during Ohio State’s 24-0 run. MSU quarterback Connor Cook regained confidence as a downfield passer, and once the Spartans regained the lead at 27-24 in the fourth quarter, their defense put Ohio State quarterback Braxton Miller on lockdown the rest of the way. Snuffing out a fourth-and-two run by Miller with 5:41 left at the MSU 39 enabled Spartans to land the knockout punch a few minutes later, on a 26-yard Jeremy Langford touchdown dash with 2:16 on the clock.

The Spartans won the fourth quarter against Urban Meyer’s marathon men, 14-0. Opponents of Meyer-coached teams don’t commonly flourish in late-game situations. Then again, there’s nothing common about this Michigan State team. It will be lovingly remembered by Spartan fans for a long, long time to come.

Auburn’s luck and Urban Meyer’s heartbreak can be written about in other spaces and in other times and places. What matters right now is that Michigan State is headed back to the Rose Bowl for the first time in over a quarter of a century.

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Sparty On. Michigan State quarterback Connor Cook said it on air after receiving the games MVP trophy. "We are the ones." Apparently, it was a rallying point for Mark Dantonio's football team after a tough season last year to be the group that brings Michigan State back to the Rose Bowl.

They end up being "the ones," and shocking, shaking up, and rattling the college football world for all eternity in the process.

Michigan State won the B1G Championship tonight over previously unbeaten Ohio State, and they, not Auburn, deserve their fair shake for a national championship. It won't happen. I write this understanding Michigan State and their Spartan Dawgs have zero chance at going to Pasadena and playing anyone other than Stanford. That doesn't mean it's not "un-American" to suggest they should.

All the Spartans have done is win football games other than a very controversial loss to Notre Dame when that same Connor Cook wasn't solidified as the starting quarterback.

The B1G Championship was a portrait of perseverance. MSU got up by 17, which against a normal team, is like being down 30. MSU saw Ohio State come back and take a 24-17 lead. Surely, the Buckeyes wouldn't lose now.

But while sports is incredibly predictable at times, it's those moments of unpredictability ... when everything, from talent, to momentum, to history dictate what will happen ... and then it doesn't.

That was the B1G Championship Game tonight. They'll celebrate in East Lansing because they deserve to do so. But they deserve so much more. They deserve a shot at Florida State.

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The main story line coming out of the Big Ten Championship Game should not be about Ohio State's failure to earn a berth in the national championship game. It should be about the Spartan defense, which proved to the entire nation why it's the No. 1 unit in the country.

Make no mistake about it: Michigan State's D turned in a solid performance tonight. Sure, they gave up quite a few yards on the ground, but the Spartans held the Buckeyes to 373 yards -- easily its worst showing of the season.

More impressively, MSU was at its best when the game mattered most. Trailing 24-20 heading into the final stanza, the Spartan defense took over the contest, limiting Ohio State to just 25 yards on 12 plays.

That's the type of dominating defense that championship teams are made of. It's a shame that the Spartans will miss out on a chance to play for all the marbles in favor of a team that doesn't play defense and suffered a blowout loss at the hands of LSU earlier this season.

Scout.com: CFN Analysis: WAR DAMN SPARTY!

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One of the best games I've ever been to, right next to the MSU vs UCONN final four game in Ford Field. Phenomenal. First sellout of the game, 70+% buckeyes, and enormous stakes. Downtown Indy is the perfect environment for an event like this, pre and postgame festivities were awesome (other than a lack of cabs). I would go back in a heartbeat. Slippery Noodle was over max capacity with MSU fans.

The smoke from the confetti canons irritated my eyes a bit after the game...coincidentally, started thinking of 2003-2006 JLS teams (my undergrad years), and couldn't believe how far this program has come. I don't think the possibility of this game and subsequent outcome was anywhere in my consciousness during that period of time, it was never even fathomable. Playing OSU was like NFL vs college. When Dantonio got to MSU, he told recruits to look at their feet and imagine seeing the Rose Bowl logo, because thats where they were going to end up. Sounded cute and cheesy at the time, but wow, here we are.

Already looked ahead to 2014 on the drive home (is it here yet?). We swap ND for @Oregon, but otherwise get OSU, Nebraska, and Michigan in EL. Michigan and OSU fail to play either Nebraska or Wisconsin, so MSU vs OSU in EL appears to be the defacto division championship game, in my far too premature opinion (Michigan has to go to EL and Columbus, I just don't see it). I would love to get back, even though it will never have the same aura again- MSU's first Rose Bowl in forever, OSU for the NC game, etc. Truly awesome experience (and after going to the NU game, please don't ever move this game outdoors to Chicago. The dome was awesome, and walking distance to everything downtown).

Heres to MSU vs Wisconsin, 12/6/14.

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SV: Downtown Indy is a hidden gem. Our road trip group went to a Lions game there in the early 2000's and fell in live with it. We liked it so much I had my bachelor party there five years ago.

Glad you had a good time. As the game went on I started pulling for Sparty. Something about watching O$U players and fans worried then crying made my heart all warm inside.

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